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I don't know if you wrote this in a sarcastic tone or if you really believe the guy.
First of all, he starts by attacking the PC users and then he says that "piracy" is the cause for I Am Alive's dissapearance from the PC market.
RPS got it right, if the game is any good people will buy it. Look at Skyrim or DX: HR. Both games topped the Steam charts (Skyrim even beats MW3 on playerbase according to Steam's stat tracking service)
Ubi has a track record of letting down PC users, either by releasing its games months later (even after saying that there would be no delays) or by enforcing draconian DRM.
First of all, he starts by attacking the PC users and then he says that "piracy" is the cause for I Am Alive's dissapearance from the PC market.
RPS got it right, if the game is any good people will buy it. Look at Skyrim or DX: HR. Both games topped the Steam charts (Skyrim even beats MW3 on playerbase according to Steam's stat tracking service)
Ubi has a track record of letting down PC users, either by releasing its games months later (even after saying that there would be no delays) or by enforcing draconian DRM.
He has a point. All these things ultimately come down to cost vs reward, and niche games like this never sell for crap on PC. The AAA titles sell fine, but anything that might not have immediate, obvious mass-market appeal just gets stolen. History easily bears that out, and that certain (very large) subset of PC gamers that created this situation have no one but themselves to blame for their short-sightedness.
Can you please ditch the deceptive ads below "More gaming stories around the web. Got news? Submit yours to tips@destructoid.com" ? They keep showing cute thumbnails of supergirl for example, and they always end up linking to this horribly ugly wallpaper (#34) that looks like a man in a skirt. In fact, the cute girl thumbs almost never actually link to that picture.
what? No corgys? U could have tossed a bulldog pic up there if your out of corgy ones. Im still awesome btw
U SEE PC GAMERS THIS IS WHY YOU CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS GOSH!!!!!!!!! *goes back to downloading Puss N Boots*
@tristrix: Actually PC gamers love niche games, why do you think the indie scene for PC is bigger then consoles.
Anyways its a game published by Ubisoft. That right there is the one and final nail PC gamers need to hear to decide if we need not to buy it.
Anyways its a game published by Ubisoft. That right there is the one and final nail PC gamers need to hear to decide if we need not to buy it.
I agree. If they know they are making a bad game that won't get sales, therefor not making a profit via the PC version -- then I prefer they not bring it to PC at all. This way no PC player is forced to play their bad game with their terrible DRM. Thanks Ubisoft, making the decision easy for me. ;D
>piracy is a problem on pc
>implies people wont pirate on consoles
>is a fucking idiot
when done right PC games sell just fine i.e. steam, blizzard etc.
>implies people wont pirate on consoles
>is a fucking idiot
when done right PC games sell just fine i.e. steam, blizzard etc.
After the disaster that was From Dust, good riddance. There was a reason that Steam had to issue a massive refund to people who bought the game, and it's not because they wanted their money back so they could go pirate it instead. It's because Ubisoft isn't very good at making PC games.
To me this situation looks more like they realize they will actually have to invest money to make a decent port because PC gamers aren't going to buy their bullshit anymore. And it's clearly not worth it to them to do so. As if it ever was.
Niche games do well on the PC. It's Ubisoft that doesn't.
To me this situation looks more like they realize they will actually have to invest money to make a decent port because PC gamers aren't going to buy their bullshit anymore. And it's clearly not worth it to them to do so. As if it ever was.
Niche games do well on the PC. It's Ubisoft that doesn't.
Yes, it's really hard for companies like CD Projekt RED, Valve, Mojang and Team Meat to make games sell on PC. Really hard.
Ubisoft has the worst PR department. They attack PC gamers, release delayed and bad PC ports, attack PC gamers some more and plame piracy. If you keep poking a bear they are going to rip your face off. In this case Ubisoft are poking PC gamers and they eventually get annoyed enough and pirate the shit out of their games.
Treat PC gamers well and make good games (for the PC platform) and you will be treated well in return (look at Valve and Blizzard).
Treat PC gamers well and make good games (for the PC platform) and you will be treated well in return (look at Valve and Blizzard).
pc gamers expect that games for the pc are treated with the same amount of optimization to the platform as console gamers get however since this in many cases doesn't happen we are less motivated to buy. It would be the same situation if for example the wii version was the main version and the ps3 and 360 version didn't get optimisation for the dual analog controller or at least not fully and the graphics where just unscaled wii graphics with some anti aliasing . this is the situation a lot of pc ports are in. While you can still have a great time with the game it does feel half baked and if another game does it well, why should you buy the half baked game.
"Niche games do well on the PC."
You guys can't possibly believe this? CERTAIN niche games do, of course, if they're lucky enough to get heavily promoted with a good sale on Steam or get a huge fucking freight train of buzz behind them like Amnesia, but for every Amnesia, how many ArmA's do you think there are?
http://www.destructoid.com/bohemia-interactive-claims-100-pirates-for-every-3-buyers-216112.phtml
A lot of people called those numbers into question, but hell, lets say they aren't accurate (I tend to believe the developers on this more than I believe random video game blog posters, but just for the sake of argument), if they're even 1/10th of what this guy says they are, that's fucking inexcusable and it's no wonder someone like Mr. Mettra up there in the article would feel the way he does about the platform.
Seriously, PC piracy clearly IS absolutely as bad as it's made out to be, and these dickless scumbags are doing real, tangible damage to the platform. If there's a hell...
You guys can't possibly believe this? CERTAIN niche games do, of course, if they're lucky enough to get heavily promoted with a good sale on Steam or get a huge fucking freight train of buzz behind them like Amnesia, but for every Amnesia, how many ArmA's do you think there are?
http://www.destructoid.com/bohemia-interactive-claims-100-pirates-for-every-3-buyers-216112.phtml
A lot of people called those numbers into question, but hell, lets say they aren't accurate (I tend to believe the developers on this more than I believe random video game blog posters, but just for the sake of argument), if they're even 1/10th of what this guy says they are, that's fucking inexcusable and it's no wonder someone like Mr. Mettra up there in the article would feel the way he does about the platform.
Seriously, PC piracy clearly IS absolutely as bad as it's made out to be, and these dickless scumbags are doing real, tangible damage to the platform. If there's a hell...
There would probably be a lot, if not more, profit from this coming to Steam than consoles anyway considering you cut out a lot of the middle man when releasing it on Steam. As far as this game goes though, why should PC gamers even care? The game was announced early last year and all there is to show for it is the announcement trailer, which only showed an interesting concept. It's also been the talk of no one at all except for some "hey remember that cool trailer?" discussions. Frankly you'd think with how little interest there is in this game they would try and expand their market as much as possible to make up for possible wasted time and money.
@Tristrix:
http://www.destructoid.com/cthulhu-saves-the-world-pc-beat-xbox-sales-in-six-days--206478.phtml
http://www.destructoid.com/cthulhu-saves-the-world-pc-beat-xbox-sales-in-six-days--206478.phtml
I remember reading that a year ago, when they released the Humble Indie Bundle, which had no DRM and you need not pay more than a penny for.
It was still pirated, not just a little: Wolfire estimated that over 25% of their bundle downloads were pirated.
The difference? Wolfire resigned themselves to the fact that it is going to happen, and focused on making cool games, rather than punish legitimate consumers.
It was still pirated, not just a little: Wolfire estimated that over 25% of their bundle downloads were pirated.
The difference? Wolfire resigned themselves to the fact that it is going to happen, and focused on making cool games, rather than punish legitimate consumers.
Piracy no doubt is an issue, but when small time studios can pull out profits so can they. This seems more like Ubisoft going on the offensive at blaming pirates since they have a terrible track record as of late on the PC. Don't think anyone wants a repeat of 'From Dust' as Nephilym points out.
@Tristrix Huh?? Niche titles have been with PC gaming for decades and do great, history is not on your side with that one.
@Tristrix Huh?? Niche titles have been with PC gaming for decades and do great, history is not on your side with that one.
plus these people will have to deal with piracy anyways. With each console generation the consoles get more easily pirated. By next generation consoles having high piracy rates wouldn't surprise me. Devs really need to start learning to think outside the box on piracy and not what they are currently trying to do. No comment on the Arma article really I never had a real interest in the series.
I only pirate ubisoft games solely because of their anti user pc drm. Ubisoft is the only game company I pirate and its because I refuse to give money to a group who thinks their draconian drm is the answer. I gladly paid for skyrim new, I happily bought bf 3 new(but ugh origin) but ill never spend a dime on an ubisoft game until they completely remove the stay connect drm bs on.single player games.
@spaz
http://www.destructoid.com/and-you-wonder-why-developers-hate-pc-gamers--193957.phtml
http://www.destructoid.com/piracy-preventing-super-street-fighter-iv-from-hitting-pc-184593.phtml
http://www.destructoid.com/project-zomboid-taken-offline-due-to-piracy-204071.phtml
http://www.destructoid.com/serious-sam-double-d-pirated-dev-asks-for-donations-211270.phtml
Your move. As I said, for every one success story, I can link you 4 or 5 victim stories. Your single example isn't changing anything.
http://www.destructoid.com/and-you-wonder-why-developers-hate-pc-gamers--193957.phtml
http://www.destructoid.com/piracy-preventing-super-street-fighter-iv-from-hitting-pc-184593.phtml
http://www.destructoid.com/project-zomboid-taken-offline-due-to-piracy-204071.phtml
http://www.destructoid.com/serious-sam-double-d-pirated-dev-asks-for-donations-211270.phtml
Your move. As I said, for every one success story, I can link you 4 or 5 victim stories. Your single example isn't changing anything.
@Sean: Another factor one must consider is that this it was an indie game, which can be easily played on lower end computers. The more people that can play it the more people you have that will pirate it. So some of the people who pirate easily run PC games can also be consoles players.
As a strictly PC gamer, I'm totally ok with this. I quit buying stuff from Ubisoft awhile ago. Between them slaughtering my love of HOMM, buggy games, and shitty DRM, I really don't want and won't miss there products.
"I only pirate ubisoft games solely because of their anti user pc drm."
This is about THE shittiest attitude a gamer can have. This is a prime example right here of the kind of dicklessness I was just mentioning, and the fact that it's so common should tell any reasonable person everything they need to know about PC piracy and its impact on the platform.
This is about THE shittiest attitude a gamer can have. This is a prime example right here of the kind of dicklessness I was just mentioning, and the fact that it's so common should tell any reasonable person everything they need to know about PC piracy and its impact on the platform.
Um, a lot of piracy would've been eliminated if more developers treated the platform and the fans with respect. Fact is, they have nobody to blame but themselves. Most users turn to piracy only out of either necessity - maybe they don't have the ability to purchase the content, because your digital game is somehow not available outside of US, or maybe they can't afford it (in which case you ain't getting that money either way), or due to simply not seeing the value in the purchase. For example, someone who wants to play MW3 or BF3 for the single player campaign would find it hard to justify a $60 price tag for either of those games.
Americans love yelling about the invisible hand of the market and how it will take care of everything, well it is. The market has spoken and if you're loosing money on piracy you're just not offering a product people are willing ot pay for. Period.
Americans love yelling about the invisible hand of the market and how it will take care of everything, well it is. The market has spoken and if you're loosing money on piracy you're just not offering a product people are willing ot pay for. Period.
As if consoles are free from piracy? Out of all of my gamer friends, only a few have non-modded consoles. Now I know anecdotal evidence is worthless, but to still call the PC a pirate heaven is wearing thin. Then to argue there would not be enough sales? I am really sorry the developer feels that way. While the developer is perfectly entitled to distribute as they please, to me it sounds more as if the uncertainty of sales comes from whether the game is even good enough.
Yeah guys, super meat boy, minecraft and call of duty didn't make ANY fucking money on the PC. *rolls eyes*
Yay for excuses tho I guess?
Yay for excuses tho I guess?
Outside of Call of Duty, NONE of my roommates pay for the games they download....unless there's a Steam sale happening (even then it's sometimes iffy). Just sayin'...
@Tristrix: To be honest I'm not even sure why Capcom released a fighter on PC. If there is one genre I could tell you that would not do well on PC its going to be a fighter. The other two are indie games that are easily run and can be pirated and played by pretty much anyone who owns a computer. Both of those games would have died on consoles much faster then what they did on PC. Games like those can only survive on PC (or possibly handhelds) most console gamers don't give really care about those type of games enough to pay for them.
Sorry tristix if a company goes out of their way to piss on me the customer its not my job to pay for their garbage. You can use whatever petty insults you have to resort to. Doesn't change that ubisofts drm in dozens of games is far worse than anything any other company would put in. You cannot alienate your userbase, don't care how much business sense it makes. Netflix is a very recent glaring example.
But he's wrong. "Piracy" is a shit excuse, and everyone here knows it, especially when data shows that piracy actually leads to overall increased sales. But, let's look at other systems for a moment. PC tends to get all the focus when it comes to piracy, but I'd wager that piracy is just as big a "problem" on consoles as PC. Skyrim had been leaked on 360 for a full two weeks before the game was released, and, looking at the download numbers on the various popular trackers, well over 20,000 people have downloaded the pirated 360 version. Yet, do we here companies complaining about piracy on the Xbox 360? No. Not one bit. "Piracy" in this is nothing more than a scapegoat, especially considering its source, Ubisoft, which has a history of treating their PC versions as vastly inferior to their console counterparts, with sloppy ports, long delays, and draconian DRM that does a better job of punishing people who buy the games legitimately than it does at stopping piracy.
Tristix wrote:
"niche games like this never sell for crap on PC. The AAA titles sell fine, but anything that might not have immediate, obvious mass-market appeal just gets stolen."
You obviously know nothing about the PC game market. Ever heard of the little "niche" games Amnesia and Terraria? Minecraft? Zeno Clash? EYE: Divine Cybermancy?
Yeah, these oddball games never go over well on PC.
"niche games like this never sell for crap on PC. The AAA titles sell fine, but anything that might not have immediate, obvious mass-market appeal just gets stolen."
You obviously know nothing about the PC game market. Ever heard of the little "niche" games Amnesia and Terraria? Minecraft? Zeno Clash? EYE: Divine Cybermancy?
Yeah, these oddball games never go over well on PC.
@spaz
"The other two are indie games that are easily run and can be pirated and played by pretty much anyone who owns a computer."
...and someone was just saying earlier how that was supposedly the strength of the PC platform. Yet you're saying it's a contributing factor to piracy. The fact that you're both right (and you are) is another indication that piracy really is as bad as it seems. The very things that make the PC platform so wonderful are the very things that make it the platform of choice for dickless scumbag pirates.
"The other two are indie games that are easily run and can be pirated and played by pretty much anyone who owns a computer."
...and someone was just saying earlier how that was supposedly the strength of the PC platform. Yet you're saying it's a contributing factor to piracy. The fact that you're both right (and you are) is another indication that piracy really is as bad as it seems. The very things that make the PC platform so wonderful are the very things that make it the platform of choice for dickless scumbag pirates.
Its important to note tristix I do not and will not pirate a single non ubisoft game. You can clearly see my steam account with this user name on steam calcs. I buy games. I simply no longer buy ubisoft.
@Trixtrix: You might want to get use to that attitude, got a feeling its coming to consoles soon as well lol. I think most PC gamers pirate Ubisoft games out of spite more than the fact they wouldn't have payed for them at this point. That's really Ubisoft's fault. I don't agree with the course of action, I also can't blame them at the same time though.
I for one won't be buying this game at all if that's their attitude towards me for my platform of choice. And I do also own consoles so I still had options for this. I just feel disrespected as a customer and as a person.
Another thing, it is hard to track console piracy. Many programs easily allow them to rip from a rented games, a friends game, or a downloaded file. Furthermore, to straight up say you will pirate ubisoft's games is destructive to renewing the good name of PC gamers everywhere. If you want to fight a principle, do not pirate, simply do not purchase.
What can I say? PC gamers dug this hole themselves.
Cracked put it best by saying "[They're] smashing out the windows because it's fun, and then crying because the rain is coming in."
Read the whole entry "5 Reasons Its Still Not Cool to Admit You're a Gamer" here: http://www.cracked.com/article_18571_5-reasons-its-still-not-cool-to-admit-youre-gamer_p2.html
Cracked put it best by saying "[They're] smashing out the windows because it's fun, and then crying because the rain is coming in."
Read the whole entry "5 Reasons Its Still Not Cool to Admit You're a Gamer" here: http://www.cracked.com/article_18571_5-reasons-its-still-not-cool-to-admit-youre-gamer_p2.html
Ubisoft what do you expect? You treat your costumers like shit and have all this DRM BS going on. I'm not that involved into all this 16-digit crap, but even I wouldn't give you a dime. There are stores I never step into ever again because their costumer service is shitty, why do you think you're an exception?
@Sean Daisy: Well Wolfire is cool, Ubi is not.
@Sean Daisy: Well Wolfire is cool, Ubi is not.
I have 280 games in my Steam account, so excuse me if I'm kind of tired of hearing this bullshit about piracy.
@spaz
How can you possibly not blame them, though? I mean look at this jackass...
"Its important to note tristix I do not and will not pirate a single non ubisoft game. You can clearly see my steam account with this user name on steam calcs. I buy games. I simply no longer buy ubisoft."
Real fucking mature, right? And then I'm sure the guy can't imagine for the life of him why Ubi's games have DRM. Well gee, genius, I fucking wonder!?! This is the dipshit attitude game developers are up against, and then we have the gall to act surprised when they decide it's not worth the effort to make a PC port? Really? My 6 year old is capable of higher reasoning than this, and this is the kind of person that makes up their potential target audience. I dunno man. I don't see how they do it.
How can you possibly not blame them, though? I mean look at this jackass...
"Its important to note tristix I do not and will not pirate a single non ubisoft game. You can clearly see my steam account with this user name on steam calcs. I buy games. I simply no longer buy ubisoft."
Real fucking mature, right? And then I'm sure the guy can't imagine for the life of him why Ubi's games have DRM. Well gee, genius, I fucking wonder!?! This is the dipshit attitude game developers are up against, and then we have the gall to act surprised when they decide it's not worth the effort to make a PC port? Really? My 6 year old is capable of higher reasoning than this, and this is the kind of person that makes up their potential target audience. I dunno man. I don't see how they do it.
This game has been in dev for what, 4 years now? And it's only XBLA/PSN? Wtf?
Anyway if they actually put some time and effort into their ports minus the DRM their games would sell. Seriously, indies do great on PC because they actually put care into their products instead of lying about DRM and fucking up the feature set. If you make a GOOD product and put it on a Steam sale (this is your CHOICE as the dev, not some luck based thing) it will sell a shit ton.
I honestly believe ARMA is the exception rather than the rule. That is a game based on hyper realistic military tactics which is a narrow market to begin with, then it also has quite extreme system requirements because of it's giant draw distances. I would suggest that most piracy of it is for trial purposes. The devs tried to counter this by releasing a demo but I guess the damage was done.
Anyway if they actually put some time and effort into their ports minus the DRM their games would sell. Seriously, indies do great on PC because they actually put care into their products instead of lying about DRM and fucking up the feature set. If you make a GOOD product and put it on a Steam sale (this is your CHOICE as the dev, not some luck based thing) it will sell a shit ton.
I honestly believe ARMA is the exception rather than the rule. That is a game based on hyper realistic military tactics which is a narrow market to begin with, then it also has quite extreme system requirements because of it's giant draw distances. I would suggest that most piracy of it is for trial purposes. The devs tried to counter this by releasing a demo but I guess the damage was done.
I got the biggest bonner when Tristrix linked that BI article. Good lord, how assbackwards retarded/gullible can you be? The only way those figures could be legitimate is if they're from an older game. I'm sure tons of people lose discs/CD keys.
You do realize that when games come out, console versions are put on the web first, xbawks tends to be the first iirc.
I also seem to be able to buy SFIV on steam, seems like piracy didn't scare them off for too long.
http://www.destructoid.com/oh-yeah-so-killzone-3-got-leaked-too--193975.phtml
Stop pretending that PC is the only place Piracy happens, it's really annoying.
Chances are the game is shit anyway. It's a fucking PSN/XBLIG
You do realize that when games come out, console versions are put on the web first, xbawks tends to be the first iirc.
I also seem to be able to buy SFIV on steam, seems like piracy didn't scare them off for too long.
http://www.destructoid.com/oh-yeah-so-killzone-3-got-leaked-too--193975.phtml
Stop pretending that PC is the only place Piracy happens, it's really annoying.
Chances are the game is shit anyway. It's a fucking PSN/XBLIG
@Trixtrix: I was just trying to clarify that the piracy probably was not just PC gamers. Consoles gamers who own a computer (who doesn't own a computer of some sort now a days) are also part of the problem.
Piracy is a problem don't get me wrong about that, but its not just PC gamers like everyone thinks it is.
The indie scene is much better on PC then consoles. Not cause of console piracy (yet anyways), but most console players just don't care enough about these type of games.
I think its best to say the indie scene is a strength of the platform, but most indie games are also easily run and therefore easily played by anyone with a comp.
Piracy is a problem don't get me wrong about that, but its not just PC gamers like everyone thinks it is.
The indie scene is much better on PC then consoles. Not cause of console piracy (yet anyways), but most console players just don't care enough about these type of games.
I think its best to say the indie scene is a strength of the platform, but most indie games are also easily run and therefore easily played by anyone with a comp.
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