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*headdesk* What. The. Fuck.
Seriously!? Let me just come right out and say this: even IF what this idiot forum poster is saying is true, and 'straight male gamers are a secondary concern' in DAII, then he should JUST FUCKING DEAL WITH IT like homosexual and heterosexual female gamers have been dealing with for YEARS.
Nearly every game that has had romance options, and definitely ALL of Bioware's titles up until DAII, has given homosexual gamers the fucking shaft and made heterosexual male gamers the primary concern. If DAII's writer decided to finally through homosexual (and hell, heterosexual female) gamers a bone and make them the primary concern FOR ONCE, he can just fucking deal with it LIKE WE HAVE.
Seriously!? Let me just come right out and say this: even IF what this idiot forum poster is saying is true, and 'straight male gamers are a secondary concern' in DAII, then he should JUST FUCKING DEAL WITH IT like homosexual and heterosexual female gamers have been dealing with for YEARS.
Nearly every game that has had romance options, and definitely ALL of Bioware's titles up until DAII, has given homosexual gamers the fucking shaft and made heterosexual male gamers the primary concern. If DAII's writer decided to finally through homosexual (and hell, heterosexual female) gamers a bone and make them the primary concern FOR ONCE, he can just fucking deal with it LIKE WE HAVE.
I preferred to think of it simply being a matter of a fictional world. I see nothing wrong with envisioning this fictional world to have very lax attitudes toward sexuality and gender. There certainly have been such cultures in history that had such a lax attitude.
It's a stupid debate to begin with, but yes, I did notice that all four possible romance options were bisexual and yes I did dwell on that thought long enough to concoct the aforementioned explanation.
It's a stupid debate to begin with, but yes, I did notice that all four possible romance options were bisexual and yes I did dwell on that thought long enough to concoct the aforementioned explanation.
@MuddBstrd
To be fair, DA:O offered gay and lesbian options too, but yeah, I take your point and you're absolutely right.
To be fair, DA:O offered gay and lesbian options too, but yeah, I take your point and you're absolutely right.
While I'm not saying I've got any issue with how the DA2 two-bear mambo stuff worked out, methinks Mr. David Gaider is playing a bit o' the briar patch game here. I'm really not buying he's just casually blind-sided by this, and explaining how it worked out in final form via simple decisions made from marketing data. Especially when bringing out the whole Gender Politics and You 101 'function of privilege!!!' bit, I'm guessing he's been loaded for bear on this issue for awhile. As well as having as specific angle when writing the romance bits.
Again, not criticizing what's there, but hold the shock and surprise bit please. Or as the internets would say....I see what you did there.
Again, not criticizing what's there, but hold the shock and surprise bit please. Or as the internets would say....I see what you did there.
What did this guy think, that they should add in extra female characters just so there can be more "straight male" romance options? People like him embarrass me. Great job by the BioWare writer of making mr. babypants look foolish. The privilege point was especially true.
Then again, I play female characters in RPGs, so Dragon Age games have really hooked me up with a plethora of palatable options.
Then again, I play female characters in RPGs, so Dragon Age games have really hooked me up with a plethora of palatable options.
Does the presence or lack of a gender combination for a fictional romance really matter? I would be far more impressed if the Bioware team was defending -- or even explaining -- the quality drop between Origins and DA2. This, however, reads as the game scene's politics of distraction.
I swear, in the bar last night a guy looked at me for a good 15 seconds. I punched him in the face. I can't stand fucking gays looking at me. Why can't they just not exist?
Also insane: One of the first/most popular mods? Lightening Isabela's skin color because it was extremely urgent that a sex interest be blond hair, white skin, and blue eyes. Thanks gaming world.
Also insane: One of the first/most popular mods? Lightening Isabela's skin color because it was extremely urgent that a sex interest be blond hair, white skin, and blue eyes. Thanks gaming world.
I honestly would like not to know if a character was Gay/Straight etc. So the only concern I have would be if the Character comes on to me in game. I never played DA:II or 1 but I totally thought Jack From ME2 would Get along with my Female Shepard.
If it's possible to pursue any kind of relationship I want it to be hidden from me. Kind of like Samara in ME:2.
If it's possible to pursue any kind of relationship I want it to be hidden from me. Kind of like Samara in ME:2.
@TheHipGamer - This has nothing to do with the "Bioware team", this just one guy who worked on the game going after an idiot on their forums, which Destructoid apparently decided was worthy of a news post.
On-topic, homophobes can go fuck themselves.
On-topic, homophobes can go fuck themselves.
Why is Gaider responding to this guy? He's clearly being be a troll and not a very good one. Gaider should have just ignored him; if the guy wants to be a close minded little shit, let him. It's not like it's going to take away whatever fun anyone is having with Dragon Age 2, is it?
It's funny, we just wrapped up our talks on sexuality in my Sociology course today and my professor told us about how in a lot of cultures and societies prior to the 1900s there was no such thing as "gay." Homosexuality was just kind of something that people did but it was never something they used to identify themselves. For example, Greek scholars would have sex with their male apprentices not because they were gay but because they wanted to make love without the risk of pregnancy. Gays did not identify themselves by their sexuality and they were essentially the same as straights and the same as bi's.
So, I dunno, everyone I hear keeps saying there's this "unrealistic" level of bisexuality in all these characters but by whose standards? By your 21st century English speaking standards? Who is to say that's the same in this complete fantasy world? Break your standard, enter a different time and place where things are different, if it makes you uncomfortable well sucks to be you. Buck up buddy. You're not in Kansas anymore.
And fucking good on David Gaider. That fucker was spot on. I get everyone's new hobby is whining about Dragon Age II (if it's anything like the first one I don't blame you) but this shit is stupid. You're fighting fucking dragons with magic. Don't tell me what the "realistic" sexual characteristics are in this fantasy land.
So, I dunno, everyone I hear keeps saying there's this "unrealistic" level of bisexuality in all these characters but by whose standards? By your 21st century English speaking standards? Who is to say that's the same in this complete fantasy world? Break your standard, enter a different time and place where things are different, if it makes you uncomfortable well sucks to be you. Buck up buddy. You're not in Kansas anymore.
And fucking good on David Gaider. That fucker was spot on. I get everyone's new hobby is whining about Dragon Age II (if it's anything like the first one I don't blame you) but this shit is stupid. You're fighting fucking dragons with magic. Don't tell me what the "realistic" sexual characteristics are in this fantasy land.
Stuff like this just gives me a headache. It's like hearing people whine about nudity existing in Heavy Rain.
Rather than complaining about romances swinging both ways, why not complain about the actual writing? If the Electric Hydra podcast episode that covered DAII is true, and by God I can't see why it wouldn't be, the issue is that the writing was so shoddy that you couldn't even be nice to another male character (while playing as a male) without them coming on to you...or you onto them.
That's just stupid. Forget the homo erotic elements. That's not important. If that's what you want than fine, but they shouldn't appear just because you were nice/supportive of a guy. I mean, you can support another person without wanting to sex them up.
Rather than complaining about romances swinging both ways, why not complain about the actual writing? If the Electric Hydra podcast episode that covered DAII is true, and by God I can't see why it wouldn't be, the issue is that the writing was so shoddy that you couldn't even be nice to another male character (while playing as a male) without them coming on to you...or you onto them.
That's just stupid. Forget the homo erotic elements. That's not important. If that's what you want than fine, but they shouldn't appear just because you were nice/supportive of a guy. I mean, you can support another person without wanting to sex them up.
@Drakengard
Now that is something to argue. From reading reviews and comments. It seems that DAII tried to do too much or too little with the dialog this time around.
Now that is something to argue. From reading reviews and comments. It seems that DAII tried to do too much or too little with the dialog this time around.
All I know is that Isabella is hot and I'm going to shag her with a male, female, and modded Bunny Human Hawke.
@Xzyliac
"You're fighting fucking dragons with magic. Don't tell me what the "realistic" sexual characteristics are in this fantasy land."
Spot on.
"You're fighting fucking dragons with magic. Don't tell me what the "realistic" sexual characteristics are in this fantasy land."
Spot on.
@Drakengard
To be fair, everyone's complained about that too. They're just not getting frontpage'd.
To be double fair, Bioware has responded to them too. Bioware has actually been surprisingly vocal to their critics. Especially in the face of a launch that would inevitably be commercially successful regardless.
To be fair, everyone's complained about that too. They're just not getting frontpage'd.
To be double fair, Bioware has responded to them too. Bioware has actually been surprisingly vocal to their critics. Especially in the face of a launch that would inevitably be commercially successful regardless.
@Xzyyliac "It's funny, we just wrapped up our talks on sexuality in my Sociology course today and my professor told us about how in a lot of cultures and societies prior to the 1900s there was no such thing as "gay." Homosexuality was just kind of something that people did but it was never something they used to identify themselves."
This is absolutely not a statement on homosexuality, but what you wrote (or repeated from a class) is flatly false. I mean, flag-waving, fireworks blowing, horn honkingly false. Hell, the whole 'going Greek' bit was a risible theme in many Roman-era plays.
While social anthropology is not my discipline, and I'm not especially versed in post-Dark Ages Middle East or sub-Saharan African societies, my department often schedules/holds classes on historical gender-social issues. To say that there was no social stigma attached to, or distinction of, (male) homosexuality until the 20th century is simply bizarre. If a professor told you that at the college level, and there's no more context here, that's terrible on their part.
This is absolutely not a statement on homosexuality, but what you wrote (or repeated from a class) is flatly false. I mean, flag-waving, fireworks blowing, horn honkingly false. Hell, the whole 'going Greek' bit was a risible theme in many Roman-era plays.
While social anthropology is not my discipline, and I'm not especially versed in post-Dark Ages Middle East or sub-Saharan African societies, my department often schedules/holds classes on historical gender-social issues. To say that there was no social stigma attached to, or distinction of, (male) homosexuality until the 20th century is simply bizarre. If a professor told you that at the college level, and there's no more context here, that's terrible on their part.
Honestly, I never saw it as a problem. It's a role playing game. Being the normally "good" guy in the game, I listened to Anders' problems and he starts hitting on me, so what? I just shut him down. Homophobes need to get over it.
It looks like it's time for a follow-up to this video featuring both Dragon Age 2 and Baltas' ridiculous ramblings.
Male and female romantic options in Fantasy and Sci-Fi-themed games are just plain dull. Bring on the robots, hermaphrodites and beast-people already!
Male and female romantic options in Fantasy and Sci-Fi-themed games are just plain dull. Bring on the robots, hermaphrodites and beast-people already!
It doesn't matter, what matters is that this game didn't match the epicness of Origins. They should've taken it to the next level but decided to go with a Pirates of the Caribbean game
@KingSoup
I'm not saying there absolutely was no stigma ever. I DEFINITELY do not want to give the impression that I'm making a blanket statement. I'm not stupid. I know where the term "flaming f*ggot" comes from. But such cultures did exist. That's my point. What we know and consider a standard now is not how it has always been everywhere.
And yeah, one of his contextual examples was Greek society.
I'm not saying there absolutely was no stigma ever. I DEFINITELY do not want to give the impression that I'm making a blanket statement. I'm not stupid. I know where the term "flaming f*ggot" comes from. But such cultures did exist. That's my point. What we know and consider a standard now is not how it has always been everywhere.
And yeah, one of his contextual examples was Greek society.
I think Bioware either needs to scrap their relationships altogether or completely overhaul them. Romance options that essentially boil down to choosing the heart option(Dragon Age 2) or the one on the top right one(Mass Effect) in dialog just can't cut it in 2011, when they really could do a lot more, or put those resources some where else. I for one would have much rather had at least a second cave environment over awkward, juvenile sex scenes.
I think it's a refreshing change to see Bioware give people who enjoy playing gay characters a chance to do so, as its not like they get to often. It would just be nice not to be penalized, albeit what turned out to be an insignificant amount over the course of the game, for turning down Anders' advance, since as far as I could tell, it was unavoidable. It's also kind of a strange retcon to make Anders bi, since I've played Awakening 3 times through and he's only ever alluded to interest in settling down with gals, but there are so much bigger things to complain about in Dragon Age 2 than that.
I think it's a refreshing change to see Bioware give people who enjoy playing gay characters a chance to do so, as its not like they get to often. It would just be nice not to be penalized, albeit what turned out to be an insignificant amount over the course of the game, for turning down Anders' advance, since as far as I could tell, it was unavoidable. It's also kind of a strange retcon to make Anders bi, since I've played Awakening 3 times through and he's only ever alluded to interest in settling down with gals, but there are so much bigger things to complain about in Dragon Age 2 than that.
There are gays in a video game. There are also gays outside of video games. Writers wrote things. Get over it.
I know that I would like to see more relationships closer to my reality in games, but I would honestly prefer that the writers just write what they can be convincing about. It's not like I've never seen either option.
Good for BioWare calling this troll out.
I know that I would like to see more relationships closer to my reality in games, but I would honestly prefer that the writers just write what they can be convincing about. It's not like I've never seen either option.
Good for BioWare calling this troll out.
I'm totally on david side with this one. It's good we have more choices. The guy seems like a homophobe to me. He could always just tell them no.
I thought the straight male gamer choice was getting Fem Hawke to hook up with the pirate hooker.
Never crossed my mind a straight male gamer would be opposed to lesbian scenes. Guess he didn't like Black Swan either.
Never crossed my mind a straight male gamer would be opposed to lesbian scenes. Guess he didn't like Black Swan either.
i don't really care to much about sexual preferences in games, its just video games. kudos for them covering the bases.
now if they could just make the game fun and not a chore. they could have also introduced some kind of in game tutorials, i cannot figure out how to make it a more turn based affair.
hey, there's an idea! a turn based rpg for this generation that also allows choice. i hate that jrpg devs think turn based is dead, its time a wrpg dev owns that gold. fallout is the dam closest, and that's not nearly a shame, considering the top down fallouts were turn based.
now if they could just make the game fun and not a chore. they could have also introduced some kind of in game tutorials, i cannot figure out how to make it a more turn based affair.
hey, there's an idea! a turn based rpg for this generation that also allows choice. i hate that jrpg devs think turn based is dead, its time a wrpg dev owns that gold. fallout is the dam closest, and that's not nearly a shame, considering the top down fallouts were turn based.
@Qraze- How about Faery? It's a turn-based rpg with choices! No gay-option, though. No BioWare quality, either.
How revolutionary would it be if Elder Scrolls 5 had same-sex relationships regardless of what race the player character is?
How revolutionary would it be if Elder Scrolls 5 had same-sex relationships regardless of what race the player character is?
"The truth is that making a romance available for both genders is far less costly than creating an entirely new one."
That's the real story here as all things Dragon Age II scream 'rush-job'. The game is smaller in both scope and scale, it's riddled with bugs, and is absolutely built around fleecing gamers with DLC.
BioWare wasn't exercising some well-intentioned notion of fairness in sexual preferences...they just made everybody bisexual because it was easier, faster, and cheaper to do so.
Soon to be announced: "Straight Male Gamer DLC" It's laughable until you realize that not only could they do just that but that that douchebag on their forums would cough-up $10 for it and he wouldn't be alone in doing so.
That's the real story here as all things Dragon Age II scream 'rush-job'. The game is smaller in both scope and scale, it's riddled with bugs, and is absolutely built around fleecing gamers with DLC.
BioWare wasn't exercising some well-intentioned notion of fairness in sexual preferences...they just made everybody bisexual because it was easier, faster, and cheaper to do so.
Soon to be announced: "Straight Male Gamer DLC" It's laughable until you realize that not only could they do just that but that that douchebag on their forums would cough-up $10 for it and he wouldn't be alone in doing so.
that guy thinks that playing a game with gay stuff is going to make his dick fall off?? thats gay :D
I'm still pretty pissed at Bioware for making all characters bi. It's a pretty damn obvious move to appease the bi/homosexual fans who complain about that certain character who their fictional selves cannot bang because that character is not homo/bi. I equate this an idiot complaining to a person's parents about their children's sexual preferences because the idiot can't bang the kid due to the kid's sexual preferences. Considering the fact that children are still being born in that world I'd say the chances of walking into a homo/bi person should still be pretty low compared to straight ones.
But then again everything falls neatly around this Hawke guy/gal so I guess that's that.
But then again everything falls neatly around this Hawke guy/gal so I guess that's that.
@Xzyliac
"You're fighting fucking dragons with magic. Don't tell me what the "realistic" sexual characteristics are in this fantasy land."
Best thing I have read all day. Thanks!
"You're fighting fucking dragons with magic. Don't tell me what the "realistic" sexual characteristics are in this fantasy land."
Best thing I have read all day. Thanks!
Perhaps they should be less worried about how they made everyone bi because it was quicker and easier and more on absolutely everything else that fell flat on its face in that game.
My only wonder about all of this - are all the characters really whatever sexuality you decide for them? Doesn't that seem to be reaching a bit - like too much wish-fulfilment and not enough Role Playing. It does bother me a bit if the characters sexuality completely changes based on whether you hit on them or not.
As a Bioware example Kaiden in Mass Effect 1 was straight because he was a straight male. This was a portion of his character that remained consistent through every run throughout. He didn't get sprinkled with magic dust and become gay if you decided to hit on him. If he had have been gay that would have been fine too OR if he was bisexual this would be fine also but if he's straight one game and gay in another...that just doesn't work with me. Personally I like to try different approaches against the same characters not have the game meld them to my desires.
As a Bioware example Kaiden in Mass Effect 1 was straight because he was a straight male. This was a portion of his character that remained consistent through every run throughout. He didn't get sprinkled with magic dust and become gay if you decided to hit on him. If he had have been gay that would have been fine too OR if he was bisexual this would be fine also but if he's straight one game and gay in another...that just doesn't work with me. Personally I like to try different approaches against the same characters not have the game meld them to my desires.
I disagree with how he posted it, and I think his argument was poorly constructed.
Then again, when I played the game? I felt the same way. Every character is bisexual. You're practically forced into a romance with Anders. As a straight male gamer, I did feel left out. My only real options were a mentally retarded girl and a walking STD farm who doesn't actually give a shit about my character--she'll bang anything, as evidenced by her hitting on Zevran even after you've begun a relationship with her.
I could argue real anthropological reasons why homosexuality wouldn't be common then, but there's no point. I didn't mind it in DAO: You had Branka and Hespith, Wade and whatshisname, Leliana, and Zevran. You had plenty of straight relationships, and the proportions were fairly realistic. In DA2, it felt like nearly every relationship shown in the game was, in fact, gay.
I did feel somewhat left out. One frustration I had about the game was "after a wonderful beginning that everyone could enjoy, the sequel doesn't really feel like it's interested in catering to straight male gamers any more."
Then again, when I played the game? I felt the same way. Every character is bisexual. You're practically forced into a romance with Anders. As a straight male gamer, I did feel left out. My only real options were a mentally retarded girl and a walking STD farm who doesn't actually give a shit about my character--she'll bang anything, as evidenced by her hitting on Zevran even after you've begun a relationship with her.
I could argue real anthropological reasons why homosexuality wouldn't be common then, but there's no point. I didn't mind it in DAO: You had Branka and Hespith, Wade and whatshisname, Leliana, and Zevran. You had plenty of straight relationships, and the proportions were fairly realistic. In DA2, it felt like nearly every relationship shown in the game was, in fact, gay.
I did feel somewhat left out. One frustration I had about the game was "after a wonderful beginning that everyone could enjoy, the sequel doesn't really feel like it's interested in catering to straight male gamers any more."
.... how is giving gay options "neglecting" the straight male gamer?
I am a straight male gamer. As a result, I did not engage in the "gay" relations that were available. But the fact that they were available disadvantages me how? In what way? How is optional gay romances a "neglect" of straight gamers? Straight romances are also available. Having more choice is not "neglect". I don't understand how these people think - it's like when White people claimed they were being "disadvantaged" or "repressed" when Blacks were given more rights in the 60's and 70's.
I am a straight male gamer. As a result, I did not engage in the "gay" relations that were available. But the fact that they were available disadvantages me how? In what way? How is optional gay romances a "neglect" of straight gamers? Straight romances are also available. Having more choice is not "neglect". I don't understand how these people think - it's like when White people claimed they were being "disadvantaged" or "repressed" when Blacks were given more rights in the 60's and 70's.
And another thing - if gays make you feel uncomfortable, that's YOUR problem. You don't get to marginalize them so that you can feel comfortable. You don't get to tell them "NO! STAY IN THE SHADOWS! YOU MAKE ME FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE!" Well, okay, you have the right to say that, and every other decent human being on the planet can turn around and rightfully call you a BIGOT.
I am not gay. I don't care if other people are. How does their orientation, their activities, affect you? It doesn't. You just want the right to hate those who are different, demand that they hide themselves, and you whinge and cry when you can't.
Well, I am content in the knowledge that people like you are on the losing side of history. Like with the racists who (laughably) claimed that whites were somehow being "oppressed" if blacks were given equal rights (and some still adamantly maintain that argument even today), you're going to get whackjobs who will claim that if you give gays equal rights, somehow that hurts them. Somehow. They never say how it hurts them, they just say it does.
You don't have a right to marginalize others because you might feel "uncomfortable" around them.
And really, gays make you feel "uncomfortable"? What are you, 10? GROW UP! Grow a fucking spine you cowards. You call yourselves men, but all I see are a bunch of pansies who are afraid of the "horrible" prospect of being approached by a gay person. You know what? I was approached by a gay person who did ask me out! I wasn't horrified, dumbstruck or petrified. I simply said "No thanks, I'm not gay" and went on with my life! You see, I'm a mature person, a "Big Boy" if you will. Evidently it seems that many of you aren't - still clinging to the old school-boy hysteria of "the gays" being in your midst, as if they have some sort of mystical gay beam that can make you not straight. Get over yourselves. Gays have been killed, beaten up, discriminated against for so very, very long. When that was happening, the straight population (including myself) shamefully said NOTHING. And they did NOTHING. For so long. Now that gays finally have proper rights, NOW you're complaining and whinging? You just hate them. Come on, fess up. Stop being a coward and say what really lurks in your heart: hate for those who are different from you.
You're no better than racists. You just direct your hate at something other than skin colour. It doesn't make it any better.
I am not gay. I don't care if other people are. How does their orientation, their activities, affect you? It doesn't. You just want the right to hate those who are different, demand that they hide themselves, and you whinge and cry when you can't.
Well, I am content in the knowledge that people like you are on the losing side of history. Like with the racists who (laughably) claimed that whites were somehow being "oppressed" if blacks were given equal rights (and some still adamantly maintain that argument even today), you're going to get whackjobs who will claim that if you give gays equal rights, somehow that hurts them. Somehow. They never say how it hurts them, they just say it does.
You don't have a right to marginalize others because you might feel "uncomfortable" around them.
And really, gays make you feel "uncomfortable"? What are you, 10? GROW UP! Grow a fucking spine you cowards. You call yourselves men, but all I see are a bunch of pansies who are afraid of the "horrible" prospect of being approached by a gay person. You know what? I was approached by a gay person who did ask me out! I wasn't horrified, dumbstruck or petrified. I simply said "No thanks, I'm not gay" and went on with my life! You see, I'm a mature person, a "Big Boy" if you will. Evidently it seems that many of you aren't - still clinging to the old school-boy hysteria of "the gays" being in your midst, as if they have some sort of mystical gay beam that can make you not straight. Get over yourselves. Gays have been killed, beaten up, discriminated against for so very, very long. When that was happening, the straight population (including myself) shamefully said NOTHING. And they did NOTHING. For so long. Now that gays finally have proper rights, NOW you're complaining and whinging? You just hate them. Come on, fess up. Stop being a coward and say what really lurks in your heart: hate for those who are different from you.
You're no better than racists. You just direct your hate at something other than skin colour. It doesn't make it any better.
What Sully said, it's not about having gay encounters, it's just that it reads and feels like a bad Harry Potter yaoi fanfic. Not to mention Gaider is a elitist hack of a writer.
I think someone needs to give Gaider a reality check.
DA2 was a poorly written game littered with shortcuts.
DA2 was a poorly written game littered with shortcuts.
@Naim Master
The internet applauds you this day, sir, for Cutting Through the Bullshit and telling It exactly what It is.
The internet applauds you this day, sir, for Cutting Through the Bullshit and telling It exactly what It is.
As a SMG myself, I could care less if they appeal to me or not. It's cool of a company to try and skirt the norm to please the other demographics.
Shits just selfish to always expect them to do so.
Shits just selfish to always expect them to do so.
*Shits just selfish to always expect them to always appeal to the SMG demographic (is what I meant to say).
@SullyE
I still don't understand how you feel "left out". Heterosexual males still got two romance options. Sure, how appealing they are to you will always be subjective from person to person... but how do you think gay and lesbian gamers felt in DA:O? We got one option. I didn't like Zevran at all, and preferred Alistair immensely. But did that matter? No. Because the fact that we got SOMETHING was enough for the gay community to appreciate the scraps given to us. Even being on the lesser end of the spectrum, we didn't complain about being left out.
Which is why I don't understand the complaint of being left out... Now that we're shockingly on equal grounds here, you're getting the shaft? Why are you now the 'lesser' when the options and representation is now EQUAL as opposed to one being under-represented?
I still don't understand how you feel "left out". Heterosexual males still got two romance options. Sure, how appealing they are to you will always be subjective from person to person... but how do you think gay and lesbian gamers felt in DA:O? We got one option. I didn't like Zevran at all, and preferred Alistair immensely. But did that matter? No. Because the fact that we got SOMETHING was enough for the gay community to appreciate the scraps given to us. Even being on the lesser end of the spectrum, we didn't complain about being left out.
Which is why I don't understand the complaint of being left out... Now that we're shockingly on equal grounds here, you're getting the shaft? Why are you now the 'lesser' when the options and representation is now EQUAL as opposed to one being under-represented?
I'd like to know who these Straight Male Gamers are who aren't playing as Lady Hawke and having relationships of the strictly lesbian kind. (I'm talking about banging!)
Better point: The love scenes in BioWare games are embarrassing to even witness let alone play through and you people should by trying to actively avoid them at all costs.
Better point: The love scenes in BioWare games are embarrassing to even witness let alone play through and you people should by trying to actively avoid them at all costs.
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