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I think gay sex in space is dangerous, if your penis punctures the space suit of your buddy you can both die. Also I wanna see a krogan naked, do they have that crest on their penis like they do on their head......just wondering. Mass Effect 2 is amazing
You can't have female-female sex in Mass Effect. Liara T'soni is an Asari, who has both male and female genitalia.
@awkwardmongoose Uh they are mono-gendered, not hermaphrodites. They are all 'female' and reproduce through a form of parthenogenesis. Reread the codex entry.
It still isn't female on female only because Asari aren't actually female at all.
It still isn't female on female only because Asari aren't actually female at all.
"You can't have female-female sex in Mass Effect. Liara T'soni is an Asari, who has both male and female genitalia."
Cop-out answer.
Cop-out answer.
Does everything offend people nowadays?
Why does every single display of sexuality have to be an equal right opportunity? God forbid they represent lesbians and not gays, or the other way around. It's not like they're showing overdone lesbian sex with a notice that says 'homosexual males are ignorant and immoral' or something along those lines. Nothing offensive is being presented here.
Christ, calm these f*kers down already.
Why does every single display of sexuality have to be an equal right opportunity? God forbid they represent lesbians and not gays, or the other way around. It's not like they're showing overdone lesbian sex with a notice that says 'homosexual males are ignorant and immoral' or something along those lines. Nothing offensive is being presented here.
Christ, calm these f*kers down already.
Mass Effect 2 could've been the best game ever made if only I could've had hot Space-lesbian secks with my female Shepard and Jack. It didn't happened therefore 9.5/10.
Bioware hates gay people confirmed.
Bioware hates gay people confirmed.
Maybe they lock the threads down because they turn into flame fests? Maybe the ME2 lead designers aren't cool with the concept.
This isn't the only issue Bioware stonewalls people on.
This isn't the only issue Bioware stonewalls people on.
lol this is ridiculous its like insisting Biowares heroes in their games are all white so Bioware must be racist.
If somebody suggest that on the forum if they didn't get permanently banned and hopefully executed you'd lose all hope for Bioware.
Some people are very twisted they don't see at what is being done they prefer to critisize for what isn't being done.
Bioware are making a game without regard for political BS their not there to play the equality police.
If somebody suggest that on the forum if they didn't get permanently banned and hopefully executed you'd lose all hope for Bioware.
Some people are very twisted they don't see at what is being done they prefer to critisize for what isn't being done.
Bioware are making a game without regard for political BS their not there to play the equality police.
@RenegadePanda,
it is offensive because lesbian sex is generally deemed as acceptable and desirable by straight males while gay male sex is very undesirable. the inclusion of lesbian sex as an optional game mechanic isn't doing anything for LBGT representation other than giving the dominant group in our society (straight males) some eye candy to salivate over.
it is offensive because lesbian sex is generally deemed as acceptable and desirable by straight males while gay male sex is very undesirable. the inclusion of lesbian sex as an optional game mechanic isn't doing anything for LBGT representation other than giving the dominant group in our society (straight males) some eye candy to salivate over.
"lol this is ridiculous its like insisting Biowares heroes in their games are all white so Bioware must be racist."
No it's not like that at all. I don't even know why you think it is.
No it's not like that at all. I don't even know why you think it is.
@Catmurderer Technically both sexes of the HUMAN species have tits, and technically both can lactate. So if lactation is key in being female, there are other species who actually breast feed their young with male titties.
LGBT talk can be informative, constructive, and wholly good. However, the internet can be on the other side of this values. Bioware is in a position where there's a lot of attention and potential for catastrophic results, and not a lot of positivity for them. I'm not a fan of censoring, but videogames already invite controversy. Mainstream media could easily procure some less than savoury comments made on the Bioware boards and construe them to villafy the company.
I can definetly see why Bioware, as a company, would make such a (business sound) decision. They have gay characters in their games. You can have sex other than male to female in those games. I think it's ridiculous to paint the company as a villain. As far as I can tell, they're not doing anything detrimental to the gender choices as far as they're willing to represent them. It's up to the company to determine how far they choose to go, and it seems they reached their current line.
If they didn't close such topics, Bioware, at best, stands to have the topics be relatively insightful and not attract any unwarranted attention. At worse, they invite (another) controversy similar to the Mass Effect sex scene they already have to endure and to be labelled as either bigots or perverts.
I can definetly see why Bioware, as a company, would make such a (business sound) decision. They have gay characters in their games. You can have sex other than male to female in those games. I think it's ridiculous to paint the company as a villain. As far as I can tell, they're not doing anything detrimental to the gender choices as far as they're willing to represent them. It's up to the company to determine how far they choose to go, and it seems they reached their current line.
If they didn't close such topics, Bioware, at best, stands to have the topics be relatively insightful and not attract any unwarranted attention. At worse, they invite (another) controversy similar to the Mass Effect sex scene they already have to endure and to be labelled as either bigots or perverts.
@ Kefka,
"I thought the Kelly sex was implied and didn't have a cutscene."
I'm not even sure it's implied. *MINOR SPOILER*
I invited her to my cabin.. we mentioned briefly having a good time hanging out and then nothing was mentioned ever again.. hell, the flirting even seemed to stop after that. Maybe Shepherd wasn't up to the task.
"I thought the Kelly sex was implied and didn't have a cutscene."
I'm not even sure it's implied. *MINOR SPOILER*
I invited her to my cabin.. we mentioned briefly having a good time hanging out and then nothing was mentioned ever again.. hell, the flirting even seemed to stop after that. Maybe Shepherd wasn't up to the task.
@ Kraid : I never saw a single fish in my tank, EVER. But yeah, if I ever had any I'd ask her to feed them.
@ runtheplacered : Same thing happened to me.
@ runtheplacered : Same thing happened to me.
@bodybreak
I would agree but the lesbian sex, and the sex in general in ME isn't anything to salavate over. It's a brief side boob at best, it's not meant to arouse anyone, it's just a story. It seems like they're taking this completely out of context, especially when TV and movies push the 'anti-gay' agenda more than games could even try to. They're attacking the wrong medium, from what I see.
I would agree but the lesbian sex, and the sex in general in ME isn't anything to salavate over. It's a brief side boob at best, it's not meant to arouse anyone, it's just a story. It seems like they're taking this completely out of context, especially when TV and movies push the 'anti-gay' agenda more than games could even try to. They're attacking the wrong medium, from what I see.
@Kefka
I don't know if that's true or not (the lesbian love interest suck) but even still. According to the Mass Effect Wiki you fuck so I'm assuming you do so. I know it says if you're unfaithful to your lov interest in ME1 the picture of that love interest on your desk is turned over and if you take Kelly into your cabin the picture is upside down.
@GodofWar86
You're fucking kidding right?
I don't know if that's true or not (the lesbian love interest suck) but even still. According to the Mass Effect Wiki you fuck so I'm assuming you do so. I know it says if you're unfaithful to your lov interest in ME1 the picture of that love interest on your desk is turned over and if you take Kelly into your cabin the picture is upside down.
@GodofWar86
You're fucking kidding right?
Definitely has more to do with unworkable forum rules and moderation rather than any actual homophobia. When I worked on the Age of Conan forums there was some similar rules, for example a large Gay/Bisexual guild's recruiting advertisements were removed because of ... well I was never certain of the reasons or the logic behind them. Rather than have conversations that could potentially spiral into offensive flaming it's easier to just get rid of them all. I don't agree with it necessarily, it's just from my experience.
@RenegadePanda,
Absolutely agreed. The romance stuff is pretty thin and only serves as a story modifier.
@runtheplacered,
Kelly will do dance around in a latex suit for you if you abstain from dry-humping anyone during the course of the game. Call it a consolation prize, but I've seen better dance moves from zombies.
Absolutely agreed. The romance stuff is pretty thin and only serves as a story modifier.
@runtheplacered,
Kelly will do dance around in a latex suit for you if you abstain from dry-humping anyone during the course of the game. Call it a consolation prize, but I've seen better dance moves from zombies.
@panda,
i'm just saying, man -- dudes like LazyEyelids up there are who makeup a large portion of Bioware's audience. they're not putting the lesbian roleplay in there for LBGT's... it's in there for idiots who find the idea of lesbians exotic and appealing.
i'm just saying, man -- dudes like LazyEyelids up there are who makeup a large portion of Bioware's audience. they're not putting the lesbian roleplay in there for LBGT's... it's in there for idiots who find the idea of lesbians exotic and appealing.
I remember them talking about it on the DA forums. They said it's because it usually amounts to nothing constructive about the game itself since they usually end up being flame wars between the pros and the antis. And who really wants to know who hates gay people?
If I were a BioWare forum mod, I'd fear the joke topics, comparison topics (which would devolve to "this sucks, this rocks" and nudgenudgewinkwinks of "sucks" and "rocks"), and rabid LGBTs coming out of the woodwork and making the place into a geeky craigslist.
Really, it's the hot topics that you have to worry about on the Internet, where people, whether for srs or lulz, will bring out the loudest and stupidest in regards to the issue, and assuredly in higher quantity than any sense of "managed".
Really, it's the hot topics that you have to worry about on the Internet, where people, whether for srs or lulz, will bring out the loudest and stupidest in regards to the issue, and assuredly in higher quantity than any sense of "managed".
I don't know why they include the sex scenes in the first place. Do we all really need to see creepy 3D models hobble around each other in some imitation of reproduction? As far as the LBGT ban goes... meh. It's the internets, it's not like there aren't other places they can go to talk about boinking in space. I'm sure there is at least one website devoted entirely to such an occurrence too.
@bluexy
Still fucked up. If you have a fucked up rule you fix it.
But even still it's a legit question. Especially since there were scenes for gay sex and human lesbian sex in ME1 that were cut.
Still fucked up. If you have a fucked up rule you fix it.
But even still it's a legit question. Especially since there were scenes for gay sex and human lesbian sex in ME1 that were cut.
Sorta-kinda off-topic, but, how many people would have nailed Zevran with your male DA: Origins character if there wasn't an achievement for it?
(Would this get deleted on the Bioware forums?)
(Would this get deleted on the Bioware forums?)
This is not the case, the most prominent threads make it past 20 pages and are closed because they're 6 pages of legitimate discussion and then 14 pages(at least) of homophobes coming in and saying stupid bigoted crap. Bioware is not homophobic, they encourage the discussion of new ideas but when the community can't handle it they shut down the thread. Bioware have said in the past that the only way a m/m relationship will be put into a Mass Effect game is to get your friends to buy the game and post support on the forums.
Jim, I generally disagree with your points but if you look at the forums that have been made on the subject you should see within minutes that these are not legitimate attempts at discussing a gay love interest but instead a 20 page flame war on anyone, whether they're pro or anti gay love in ME and real life.
Bioware has a policy against people getting into discussions on their forums about real world politics. These threads are allowed to exist to show the support for the idea but the debate gets down to a theological level and they are shut down for that reason because there's no real right answer. The same thing would happen in a "Abortions still exist in the future?" thread or anything of the sort.
Jim, I generally disagree with your points but if you look at the forums that have been made on the subject you should see within minutes that these are not legitimate attempts at discussing a gay love interest but instead a 20 page flame war on anyone, whether they're pro or anti gay love in ME and real life.
Bioware has a policy against people getting into discussions on their forums about real world politics. These threads are allowed to exist to show the support for the idea but the debate gets down to a theological level and they are shut down for that reason because there's no real right answer. The same thing would happen in a "Abortions still exist in the future?" thread or anything of the sort.
@RenegadePanda
If you follow the link and read the article you find this quote which is representative of the people who are "offended" by Bioware:
"There are a bunch of gay and gay-friendly gamers who are posting topics about why male/male romances (because, of course, they have female/female) were deliberately left absent from [Mass Effect 2] who are finding that moderators are taking a tad too much liberty with their ability to close topics. Nearly every thread about the issue has been closed for the most minute reasons, even so far as going to say that the discussion of same-sex romances in the general forums is considered spoiler material."
Does that sound like "fuckers" who need to "calm down". They seem pretty calm to me. There just talking about stuff. Why do you freak out about it? What's so scary about pissed off homos?
If you follow the link and read the article you find this quote which is representative of the people who are "offended" by Bioware:
"There are a bunch of gay and gay-friendly gamers who are posting topics about why male/male romances (because, of course, they have female/female) were deliberately left absent from [Mass Effect 2] who are finding that moderators are taking a tad too much liberty with their ability to close topics. Nearly every thread about the issue has been closed for the most minute reasons, even so far as going to say that the discussion of same-sex romances in the general forums is considered spoiler material."
Does that sound like "fuckers" who need to "calm down". They seem pretty calm to me. There just talking about stuff. Why do you freak out about it? What's so scary about pissed off homos?
I only recently started playing ME1 and I think this is... an interesting topic but maybe a slightly wobbly one in itself.
I can't shake the feeling that ME is being pretty ham fisted with its sexual themes. I'd spoken to... err.. whatshername.. Ashley? I'd spoken to her maybe twice and she already brings up her sister's boyfriend wanting to have sex "too soon". The sexual themes in ME is like a big, masturbating elephant in the room.
So I'm wondering why it's handled so coarsely. When that Asari parlor lady spies on you and walks off, there's an awkward butt cam following her, having a "sexy moment" out of nowhere. It's like it's being all juvenile, then goes "oh but we're really grown up about it, listen to this female person talk about how you shouldn't have sex too soon!"
I dunno. I think if it's to feel genuine it has to stop being so self conscious about it. Things like Bayonetta get a lot of flak for being overly sexualised, but frankly, that game is being far more honest and way less awkward.
So, at the end of the day, the fact that you can have "sexy lesbo action!" and not "gross men kissing!" is instinctively chalked up to it ultimately being a fairly conservative and apprehensive boy fantasy. Even the aforementioned cautionary tale dialogue makes more sense if you imagine that you're a 16 year old boy recieving it. Unless you already are, I guess.
It's all rather unfortunate because the rest of the game doesn't struggle as visibly with its themes.
I can't shake the feeling that ME is being pretty ham fisted with its sexual themes. I'd spoken to... err.. whatshername.. Ashley? I'd spoken to her maybe twice and she already brings up her sister's boyfriend wanting to have sex "too soon". The sexual themes in ME is like a big, masturbating elephant in the room.
So I'm wondering why it's handled so coarsely. When that Asari parlor lady spies on you and walks off, there's an awkward butt cam following her, having a "sexy moment" out of nowhere. It's like it's being all juvenile, then goes "oh but we're really grown up about it, listen to this female person talk about how you shouldn't have sex too soon!"
I dunno. I think if it's to feel genuine it has to stop being so self conscious about it. Things like Bayonetta get a lot of flak for being overly sexualised, but frankly, that game is being far more honest and way less awkward.
So, at the end of the day, the fact that you can have "sexy lesbo action!" and not "gross men kissing!" is instinctively chalked up to it ultimately being a fairly conservative and apprehensive boy fantasy. Even the aforementioned cautionary tale dialogue makes more sense if you imagine that you're a 16 year old boy recieving it. Unless you already are, I guess.
It's all rather unfortunate because the rest of the game doesn't struggle as visibly with its themes.
@bodybreak
I know this is a serious discussion. I just said that because it would the typical response of someone who buy bioware games just for the titties to add some humor that idiots will agree with.
I know this is a serious discussion. I just said that because it would the typical response of someone who buy bioware games just for the titties to add some humor that idiots will agree with.
I BELIEVE IN GAY RIGHT AND I AM NOT GAY. So let's all just get along and not be assholes to an entire community for sales.
RPG's are supposed to be a medium of immersion. You take on the role of a hero (or sometimes villain) and make choices to effect how the narrative plays out. In a game that allows you such control over characterization as Mass Effect, I can understand how gay players would feel left out. If I was a gay guy, I wouldn't want to be forced to be involved in a heterosexual love-scenario if it would take zero time or effort to add a gay cutscene.
The lesbian choice was added in to pander to heterosexual males, not to satisfy homosexual players.
The lesbian choice was added in to pander to heterosexual males, not to satisfy homosexual players.
<i>"The lesbian choice was added in to pander to heterosexual males, not to satisfy homosexual players."</i>
My feelings exactly.
It's what really creates the divide in their reasoning too. They keep going on about how they're pushing the envelope on games "maturing" as a medium, but it just feels like they're acting on the dreams of the guy pausing SF2 to see Chun Li's knickers. Which I guess at some point was all of us... But that's beside the point!
My feelings exactly.
It's what really creates the divide in their reasoning too. They keep going on about how they're pushing the envelope on games "maturing" as a medium, but it just feels like they're acting on the dreams of the guy pausing SF2 to see Chun Li's knickers. Which I guess at some point was all of us... But that's beside the point!
Look I understand that they might want same sex relationships in the game but even when done in Dragon Age it was criticized and heavily at that also. In all honesty I was surprised by the romantic options to begin with as I only expected it to be all human since Samara was off limits. I don't mind them locking threads about it either because at this point they aren't going to change it in the game. And all that'll happen in the thread is just a flame war.
Whip dee doo, how about they leave sexual reference out of the games all together, that way the queers ain't got shit to bitch about.
People complaining about Mass Effect, specifically, need to shut up. Not every team in the galaxy needs to have the token gay guy. Wouldn't you get really upset if *every* game started having one homosexual who was totally misrepresented because they just tacked them into the game to appease you?
And Bioware, if you're going to touch upon the topic of homosexuality in your video games, you have no right to censor people talking about it. Especially given the fact that because your game is M rated, presumably everyone playing it is at the age where they're mature enough to handle it. Maybe restrict talk about an M rated game to forum members over 17/18? If people are going to continue to lie about their age, it's not like you're liable for anything.
If it happens to be locked because of one flame war, fine, but if it is a site-wide policy, you need to stop censoring people.
Also, all sex in Bioware games is awkward and poorly animated, so they really shouldn't have it anyway. Remember Baldur's Gate 2? When I boned Aerie, all I got was some innuendo followed by a black screen followed by her moaning that I boned her and she wasn't ready for it.
And Bioware, if you're going to touch upon the topic of homosexuality in your video games, you have no right to censor people talking about it. Especially given the fact that because your game is M rated, presumably everyone playing it is at the age where they're mature enough to handle it. Maybe restrict talk about an M rated game to forum members over 17/18? If people are going to continue to lie about their age, it's not like you're liable for anything.
If it happens to be locked because of one flame war, fine, but if it is a site-wide policy, you need to stop censoring people.
Also, all sex in Bioware games is awkward and poorly animated, so they really shouldn't have it anyway. Remember Baldur's Gate 2? When I boned Aerie, all I got was some innuendo followed by a black screen followed by her moaning that I boned her and she wasn't ready for it.
I've noticed that none of the 1.5% of the world's population who are asexual are complaining that you can't make Shepard tell everyone to screw off, announce that she is not attracted to anyone, grab a bottle of lotion, and then take care of things himself repeatedly.
Kindgan's take on this is right. Bioware's forums have been getting get off the topic of the actual gameplay and turn into a flamewar about orientation between bigoted assholes and everyone else. The fact that Bioware have pushed the envelope a bit does not make them responsible for ushering in a new more tolerant age through the playing of their videogames.
Kindgan's take on this is right. Bioware's forums have been getting get off the topic of the actual gameplay and turn into a flamewar about orientation between bigoted assholes and everyone else. The fact that Bioware have pushed the envelope a bit does not make them responsible for ushering in a new more tolerant age through the playing of their videogames.
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