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As much as they we're planning on the start.
Just enough to get people to buy but not enough to enrage them for charging fo the real ending.
Bioware at its finest.
Just enough to get people to buy but not enough to enrage them for charging fo the real ending.
Bioware at its finest.
I hope it opens up a screen with the words FUCK YOU WE DO WHAT WE WANT.
if Bioware caves in to fan pressure i feel sorry for every other game company. maybe it time to get a group going called RETAKE UNCHARTED3 so we can fix the plot in that game
if Bioware caves in to fan pressure i feel sorry for every other game company. maybe it time to get a group going called RETAKE UNCHARTED3 so we can fix the plot in that game
Why is it Destructoid's general opinion that this drama should die down? Who are you exactly serving here?
http://www.unigamesity.com/mass-effect-3-fallout-did-the-gaming-media-fail-gamers/
http://www.unigamesity.com/mass-effect-3-fallout-did-the-gaming-media-fail-gamers/
Not needed, someone already explained it better than Bioware ever could:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ythY_GkEBck
Just watch this and save your money on that DLC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ythY_GkEBck
Just watch this and save your money on that DLC.
This just proves that this game was rushed, if the original ending was what bioware wanted, they would have defended it, and have gotten nasty about it. They were still recording Martin Sheen's dialog in November, when the game was supposed to originally come out. 18 month dev cycles are just retarded especially for a game like mass effect. EA needs to stop being such greedy dickbags about money. Remember what your name actually stands for Electronic ARTS.
@ npa189
Once a year sports games. Full price, change 2 to 3 features and have slightly different music.
Electronic Arts. Killing the industry one terrible concept at a time.
Once a year sports games. Full price, change 2 to 3 features and have slightly different music.
Electronic Arts. Killing the industry one terrible concept at a time.
Wow, this is... much better news than I was expecting. I was thinking Bioware was either going to do nothing, or, well, I guess that's all I thought was going to happen.
Now let's see if they charge for this...
Now let's see if they charge for this...
No, really, why is the editorial team at Destructoid pouring so much hate on people who have issues with the ending? Not everyone is demanding heads on plates here, some people are just saying "it didn't make any damn sense".
A bit of balance would be welcome
A bit of balance would be welcome
A lot of people in the gaming news media were abhorrently against fans who were requesting changes / new endings for the game, and now we know why-- because Bioware listens to us! Videogame journalists have traditionally been the middle-men between game developers and their audience-- the developers talk to the journalists, the journalists report it. The journalists make "observations" about gamers, and then "report" it on their websites where the developers can see it. Now thanks online social networking though, the journalists can be bypassed completely in this process, and content makers can have a much more direct and open dialogue about their products than has ever been possible before. Publishers are getting an unfiltered look at what gamers actually think of the games they buy, and are even fielding the audience for suggestions. That's a lot of power that video game journalists are losing, and that's probably a large part of why so many of them tried to shut us fans up throughout this whole ordeal.
I honestly can't decide who was the biggest douche I've seen in all of this-- I'm not going to resort to bashing Destructoid's staff for their reactions (although most of you probably already know who the big offenders here were), however I think that IGN's Colin Moriarty was the cream of the crap as far as outrageous, one-sided "journalism" goes. He went through pretty much every cliche in the book to discredit the fans. He flat out said we don't have the right to even ask Bioware to make changes, but guess what? Bioware IS making changes, because unlike Moriarty they actually care about keeping their fans happy.
I hold to it that Bioware is a great developer. They made mistakes with ME3's ending, but that does not erase all the brilliance in the game, and now they are going to make a good game even better by fixing its biggest flaw. That's something to be happy about, although my common sense is tingling, which seems to indicate a massive wave of butthurt is going to overtake us from everyone who tried to stop the fans from asking for improvements to ME3.
I honestly can't decide who was the biggest douche I've seen in all of this-- I'm not going to resort to bashing Destructoid's staff for their reactions (although most of you probably already know who the big offenders here were), however I think that IGN's Colin Moriarty was the cream of the crap as far as outrageous, one-sided "journalism" goes. He went through pretty much every cliche in the book to discredit the fans. He flat out said we don't have the right to even ask Bioware to make changes, but guess what? Bioware IS making changes, because unlike Moriarty they actually care about keeping their fans happy.
I hold to it that Bioware is a great developer. They made mistakes with ME3's ending, but that does not erase all the brilliance in the game, and now they are going to make a good game even better by fixing its biggest flaw. That's something to be happy about, although my common sense is tingling, which seems to indicate a massive wave of butthurt is going to overtake us from everyone who tried to stop the fans from asking for improvements to ME3.
If this happens, I'm sure, initially it will be spun as a good thing, but the reality of it will be setting a precedent far worse than Day 1 DLC, online passes and on-disc DLC put together.....
First of all, let me just say how this isn't an issue of fans getting upset because the conclusion wasn't all sunshine and rainbows. I thought as much about the fervor until I beat the game myself.
That said, the last ten or so minutes is about as filled with plot holes and retcons as you might expect out of something like The Phantom Menace. I mean to say that, unlike The Phantom Menace, Mass Effect 3 is almost complete -gold-, but even that isn't quite enough to take the sting out of the whole affair.
That said, the last ten or so minutes is about as filled with plot holes and retcons as you might expect out of something like The Phantom Menace. I mean to say that, unlike The Phantom Menace, Mass Effect 3 is almost complete -gold-, but even that isn't quite enough to take the sting out of the whole affair.
Think Destructoid has a cheek, plenty of articles/opinions posted in the past clearly designed to create drama for hits. You are no better than those mass effect fans
Just beat ME3 yesterday, and the ending did leave a slightly unsatisfied taste in my mouth, though I'd hardly describe it as horrible or demand changes. Still, more Mass Effect is always good, so I'm interested in checking out whatever Bioware releases concerning this.
Sadly, no matter what Bioware does from here on out, these fans will NEVER be happy. They are just that far gone.
I say don't bother. Drop the issue, try to learn from your mistakes and move on to the next game.
I say don't bother. Drop the issue, try to learn from your mistakes and move on to the next game.
Fuck balance, fuck consumer protection, stop being such pussies and play something else. This is the dumbest shit...the game is out, you didn't like the ending...play something else already. I watched the Soprano's for 9years and I hated their finale, but I didn't storm HBO or report them to the FTC. Every comment from ME fans blasting D'toid or Bioware for this shit sends chills up my back. Entitled bitches.
New-ending-DLC, who woulda thunk!
They know fans are too invested by now, so why not milk 'em a bit more by providing an intentionally shitty ending, then fix it afterwards for some sweet, sweet additional dollars. They even get to be the good guys by "listening" to their fans. Which in and of itself is not a move I can respect, regardless of the circumstances.
Ah well, Bioware games weren't that great since Dragon Age anyway.
They know fans are too invested by now, so why not milk 'em a bit more by providing an intentionally shitty ending, then fix it afterwards for some sweet, sweet additional dollars. They even get to be the good guys by "listening" to their fans. Which in and of itself is not a move I can respect, regardless of the circumstances.
Ah well, Bioware games weren't that great since Dragon Age anyway.
@The Silent Protagonist
In my searching through through fan theorys and other endings some have proposed I came across that and, choosing to believe it, loved the ending of this game.
I really hope there isn't a lot done to this game separate from the Mass Effect teams original plan with the ending and how to handle it just based on fan backlash because it sets a bad precedent and hurts games as an expressive medium. Every other artform and even other video games have been the subject to controversy but didn't bend and change things based on opinions of the masses so why should Mass Effect, a series that has been a bright light in storytelling in games?
In my searching through through fan theorys and other endings some have proposed I came across that and, choosing to believe it, loved the ending of this game.
I really hope there isn't a lot done to this game separate from the Mass Effect teams original plan with the ending and how to handle it just based on fan backlash because it sets a bad precedent and hurts games as an expressive medium. Every other artform and even other video games have been the subject to controversy but didn't bend and change things based on opinions of the masses so why should Mass Effect, a series that has been a bright light in storytelling in games?
Step 1. Make an ending that requires DLC to explain.
Step 2. Wait for predictably pissy fanbase to scream its head off for two weeks about how much they need the ending changed/exposited/completed.
Step 3. Release DLC that completes the ending.
Step 4. Fans love you again for 'listening' to them and pay for the DLC in droves
Step 5. Profit.
Release new game and repeat.
There's a reason Bioware is run by a guy with a PhD, people.
Step 2. Wait for predictably pissy fanbase to scream its head off for two weeks about how much they need the ending changed/exposited/completed.
Step 3. Release DLC that completes the ending.
Step 4. Fans love you again for 'listening' to them and pay for the DLC in droves
Step 5. Profit.
Release new game and repeat.
There's a reason Bioware is run by a guy with a PhD, people.
Ending doesnt make sense? Does not tie up loose ends? Who gives a fuck. Changing things or making things more easy to digest is terrible. Have we learned nothing from George Lucas? Bioware is compromising its integrity by playing to the angry masses whether planned or not. This is horrible news and further demonstrates in one regard why games struggle to be seen as art.
I love Destructoid to pieces. It's one of the three or so sites that I check several times a day, every day. (Except weekends.) But they have been incredibly hostile to fans that feel the ending is lackluster - not just to the insane ones. It's a little disappointing, honestly.
I hope they tag on a cinematic where an impossibly large bomb blows up the entire Mass Effect Universe.
So now after fans were outraged at ME3's ending, now they are outraged at game journalists?
What is done is done, so I think its nice there is extra being put into the game, but it doesn't change the fact of what the game had to begin with.
But I agree that calling this "absurdity" is quite a stance against this. At least they are doing something about it rather than not caring like many companies would do these days. I still haven't played this game so it would benefit me, if it is a free addition.
What is done is done, so I think its nice there is extra being put into the game, but it doesn't change the fact of what the game had to begin with.
But I agree that calling this "absurdity" is quite a stance against this. At least they are doing something about it rather than not caring like many companies would do these days. I still haven't played this game so it would benefit me, if it is a free addition.
I've been following this massive shitstorm for a while now, and I'm utterly baffled. My opinion? People need to grow up and learn that the world doesn't revolve around them, who the hell do they think they are, actually DEMANDING something from a company who has been nothing but nice to them? Who has spent years writing a story and creating an excellent number of games?
It sickens me that this is what gamers have been reduced to, and they should be ashamed of themselves.
No, the ending wasn't perfect, it wasn't even great, but the game itself was excellent and couldn't have been much better, but now because a bunch of arrogant people are demanding (read: DEMANDING) that Bioware changes the ending, they'll now spend valuable time trying to please these people instead of focusing on making a new game, something imo, is much more important than trying to fix something which was decent.
This mass hysteria has to stop, we've never complained this hard about another game or movie before, and this is all clearly a hype which needs to blow over.
Deal with the ending, get on with your lives and buy their next game hoping that it'll suit your obviously too refined tastes.
It sickens me that this is what gamers have been reduced to, and they should be ashamed of themselves.
No, the ending wasn't perfect, it wasn't even great, but the game itself was excellent and couldn't have been much better, but now because a bunch of arrogant people are demanding (read: DEMANDING) that Bioware changes the ending, they'll now spend valuable time trying to please these people instead of focusing on making a new game, something imo, is much more important than trying to fix something which was decent.
This mass hysteria has to stop, we've never complained this hard about another game or movie before, and this is all clearly a hype which needs to blow over.
Deal with the ending, get on with your lives and buy their next game hoping that it'll suit your obviously too refined tastes.
I think the new ending should have Shepherd indoctrinated with the player taking control of self titled Specter Conrad Verner, who is trying to stop him.
Looking at the comments in this and other related articles makes me sad to consider myself a gamer... Have we really become such a jaded and hateful group that we cant accept that developers may not intentionally make these kinds of endings just to milk more money out of us?
I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but it was gamers who embraced the idea of DLC, because we wanted more from our favorite game, right? Sure some publishers have taken that embrace as an excuse to milk us more but honestly how deep in conspiracy theories are we that we believe that EVERY developer or publisher takes advantage of that?
Sadly I havent beaten Mass Effect 3 due to issue with my 360's lens and some other external issue, but I've poured 30 hours or so into the game and have enjoyed the ever living shit out of it and its multiplayer (which I might add doesn't feel shoehorned or phoned in at all and is quite fun).
One last thing, I think we should all feel fucking terrible for the collateral damage we have created with this whole ending controversy, because now, people like myself who haven't finished the game and have been reading about its end, have this lingering feeling that they wont like it, or that there is something wrong with how they are playing, etc. because the ending is "bad".
I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but it was gamers who embraced the idea of DLC, because we wanted more from our favorite game, right? Sure some publishers have taken that embrace as an excuse to milk us more but honestly how deep in conspiracy theories are we that we believe that EVERY developer or publisher takes advantage of that?
Sadly I havent beaten Mass Effect 3 due to issue with my 360's lens and some other external issue, but I've poured 30 hours or so into the game and have enjoyed the ever living shit out of it and its multiplayer (which I might add doesn't feel shoehorned or phoned in at all and is quite fun).
One last thing, I think we should all feel fucking terrible for the collateral damage we have created with this whole ending controversy, because now, people like myself who haven't finished the game and have been reading about its end, have this lingering feeling that they wont like it, or that there is something wrong with how they are playing, etc. because the ending is "bad".
First the almost-confirmation of Dark Souls on PC and now this? Oh happy day!
*dancing to 'We are the Champions' while jerking off and crying*
*dancing to 'We are the Champions' while jerking off and crying*
Buying the candy for your screaming hell spawn of a child may quiet him down for the moment, but in the long run you are only encouraging him to repeat the behavior. Bioware, I am disappoint.
@MuddBstrd
Nailed it. There's no way you can see the ending and not think "They HAVE to follow up on this! There's no closure!" It's blatantly obvious that there was always going to be more to play after you beat the game.
Nailed it. There's no way you can see the ending and not think "They HAVE to follow up on this! There's no closure!" It's blatantly obvious that there was always going to be more to play after you beat the game.
@Football Religion Speaking as a fan, I dont believe I get any say as to how a game ends. I either get to love/hate/meh it and move on. Bioware is making a mistake if they want to be taken seriously imo.
So everyone who bitched about the day 1 DLC but bought it anyway will now buy the "NEW ENDING" DLC. LOL suckers!
@osifracrat
I'd say they compromised their artistic integrity when they rushed the ending and left the series full of plot holes.
I'd say they compromised their artistic integrity when they rushed the ending and left the series full of plot holes.
The worst enemy you can have is a friend.Good luck bioware on your next rushed peice of shit game.Also i dont think 75 critics are gonna go out and buy a few milion dollars worth a of DLC so fucking god luck with that to.
This must be why EA bought BioWare, so that everyone will bitch about the developer rather than the publisher who, ya know, signs their checks and controls their decisions.
@Football-yes, I own Bioware. Please play these games I've rubbed my balls on. Consumer protection is meant to protect consumers, not these bunch of immature entitled idiots. The loudest message you can send is with your dollar.
@Lydeck. Yea.
@Lydeck. Yea.
Alright boys let's do this #TakeBackBorderlands1 let's tweet bomb @DuvalMagic & @reverendanthony LMAO. I want mah real ending.
I think the cinematic I described would be even better if all the planets and the bomb in space were suspended by visible strings and there's one shot where you can see a Bioware employee's hand holding the pole everything is strung to.
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