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After having experienced Elite, I can safely say the least amount of DLC the better. Bioware can go to some other fool and tell them what they want, this fool is not going there ever again.
Again:
Ballad of Gay Tony
Lost and Damned
Shivering Isles
Dawnguard
DLC tends to just be better when you take your time with it. If Bioware needs proof of that, they should know the answer to which DLC was ever worth a shit from them:
Lair of the Shadow Broker.
Its what fans overwhelmingly agree on and that wasn't Day One DLC.
Ballad of Gay Tony
Lost and Damned
Shivering Isles
Dawnguard
DLC tends to just be better when you take your time with it. If Bioware needs proof of that, they should know the answer to which DLC was ever worth a shit from them:
Lair of the Shadow Broker.
Its what fans overwhelmingly agree on and that wasn't Day One DLC.
Stfu. People only wanted a crucial piece of story, you Fucks held back. No that's not an excuse either. People shouldn't have bought that shit, because now, its just going to get worse.
He's right about people wanting content, but his justification for forcing people to pay for that content on the same day the game is released is so ass-backwards it's not even funny. I still love Bioware, but this guy needs to be fired.
Krat has a interesting point maybe free day one dlc could be a way to attract the "new" buy and not wait to pick it up used, and later charge for that dlc. I really have no problem with dlc being to early I always finish the game first. I can't really knock a developer to start on dlc while a game is in production especially like alpha or beta stage, all the people are still in the mindset for that world as apposed to waiting a couple months after you might get something that feels out of place.
Krat has a interesting point maybe free day one dlc could be a way to attract the "new" buy and not wait to pick it up used, and later charge for that dlc. I really have no problem with dlc being to early I always finish the game first. I can't really knock a developer to start on dlc while a game is in production especially like alpha or beta stage, all the people are still in the mindset for that world as apposed to waiting a couple months after you might get something that feels out of place.
Ya know, I do actually wonder what people outside of the internet gaming community think of this kind of thing. Do they even notice?
This is the most BS response I have ever heard from a game developer. They are charging for parts of the original, on-disc game and they know it.
ehh ME3 is the last game im getting with bioware.
i think i had enough investment with the Mass Effect series(over 100hours)]
an i usually don't play alot of games with that time.
still i had a good fun :D
i think i had enough investment with the Mass Effect series(over 100hours)]
an i usually don't play alot of games with that time.
still i had a good fun :D
"Contrary to what you might hear on the internet, fans do want more content. They tend to say, 'I want it now,'"
Now. As in on the disc I just paid for.
Now. As in on the disc I just paid for.
Fans want day 1 DLC?? What!?
Actually, day 1 I would really want to play the game.. not download other shit.
Day 1 DLC just by exsisting makes it seem like you are getting ripped off when you purchase a new game.
Actually, day 1 I would really want to play the game.. not download other shit.
Day 1 DLC just by exsisting makes it seem like you are getting ripped off when you purchase a new game.
@Zantetsuken
Agreed.
Also, fuck day one DLC. Fuck it and fuck the developers that insist on doing it.
Agreed.
Also, fuck day one DLC. Fuck it and fuck the developers that insist on doing it.
Any consumer wants the COMPLETE PACKAGE they paid for. If they remove something or Day 1 DLC then of course they want it. If it's free and patched in after the game goes gold then I don't see an issue. Locking disk content is a whole other issue. Store DLC and edition DLC is another issue but I deal with them on a case by case basis.
Most importantly everyone should get DLC. Timed exclusives are bullsh1t and that's coming from a 360 player. Marginalizing playerbase over platform, store, location, is bad for the consumer.
Most importantly everyone should get DLC. Timed exclusives are bullsh1t and that's coming from a 360 player. Marginalizing playerbase over platform, store, location, is bad for the consumer.
Obviously this guy was not thinking clearly, so I fixed his statement for him.
"Contrary to what you might hear on the internet, shareholders do want more content. Shareholders tend to say, 'I want gamers to pay for it now,'" said BioWare's Fernando Melo at GDC Europe. "The problem with day one content and the challenge around it is that the right answer for now is different for every player, but the same for every shareholder. There is no single right time, there is no single now, though there is single bottom line for the shareholders, and one that does not involve metaphysics and philosophy. Shareholders agree thatit’s subjective, and it’s unique to every player."
There, now maybe EA can get back to doing something other than parading every hairbrained theory in front of shareholders, and hoping a few of them might not jump ship like all the rest.
"Contrary to what you might hear on the internet, shareholders do want more content. Shareholders tend to say, 'I want gamers to pay for it now,'" said BioWare's Fernando Melo at GDC Europe. "The problem with day one content and the challenge around it is that the right answer for now is different for every player, but the same for every shareholder. There is no single right time, there is no single now, though there is single bottom line for the shareholders, and one that does not involve metaphysics and philosophy. Shareholders agree thatit’s subjective, and it’s unique to every player."
There, now maybe EA can get back to doing something other than parading every hairbrained theory in front of shareholders, and hoping a few of them might not jump ship like all the rest.
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Of course fans want MORE content, but day 1 DLC is LESS content, because if it's available day 1 it could have been included the game.
Of course fans want MORE content, but day 1 DLC is LESS content, because if it's available day 1 it could have been included the game.
wrong answer sunshine. this gamer waits for the Game of the Year edition and buy the core game and all DLC for a far reduced price. with the exception of some game one being Sleeping Dogs, heck I don't even really like sandbox games... but that one is an exception. day one DLC that is already on the disc is what is wrong with games these days. greedy greedy people... and you're stopping me from buying games. as much as I love Rockesteady and the Batman games I haven't bought Arkham city yet... but as soon as the GotY is out for PC it will be mine... sorry. YOU'RE WRONG mr. dev.
"Melo said that a large number of players never finish BioWare games, so having the DLC available at launch provides flexibility for the user"
More like they want to make some extra money out of the guys who won't be sticking with the game for more than a month or two. No problem with that just don't pretend that you guys are doing it for the consumer only and not for yourselves.
More like they want to make some extra money out of the guys who won't be sticking with the game for more than a month or two. No problem with that just don't pretend that you guys are doing it for the consumer only and not for yourselves.
I'm still not thrilled with forking over an extra $10 for a side mission and character that (debateably) could have been included with the main game and neither was that strong and addition to the experience. Javik had some funny lines ("they used to eat flies...") and was an interesting character to bring along to different places, but he was far from my favorite combat teammate.
I think developers are intentionally confusing, "I WANT to pay you extra money right now for something you should have included in the game (if it's actually ready to play WHEN you released the game)." with, "I would like the game to actualy have more content for the price you are asking me to pay originally".
To be honest, ME3 has enough replayablity and is a lenthy enough game (if you are not trying to rush thru it) that the extra $10 is not that big a deal, but when developers start tacking Day ONE DLC to games I consider WAY overpriced to begin with, it's a double insult (IMO).
Unfortunately, some gamers and reiwers don't see a big problem handing over $60 - $80 for a game that is only worth a single play thru and has less than 20 hours of gameplay in it. I do.
I think developers are intentionally confusing, "I WANT to pay you extra money right now for something you should have included in the game (if it's actually ready to play WHEN you released the game)." with, "I would like the game to actualy have more content for the price you are asking me to pay originally".
To be honest, ME3 has enough replayablity and is a lenthy enough game (if you are not trying to rush thru it) that the extra $10 is not that big a deal, but when developers start tacking Day ONE DLC to games I consider WAY overpriced to begin with, it's a double insult (IMO).
Unfortunately, some gamers and reiwers don't see a big problem handing over $60 - $80 for a game that is only worth a single play thru and has less than 20 hours of gameplay in it. I do.
Fans don't want day one DLC. They want to buy the whole game in one go. They don't want to buy a game then play it, then be told here's some DLC but in order to get it you have to start a new game to get the new content.
Either sell the the game in its entirety from the start, or allow me to experience the DLC at any point in the game.
Either sell the the game in its entirety from the start, or allow me to experience the DLC at any point in the game.
How can people go on to say this kind of crap without any legitimate guilt? We all see you forwhat you are EA, you'd be better off keeping your fucking mouths shut.
Bioware is looong dead. They just still use the name because ea shareholder pleasing studio number 8738 doesn't roll off the tongue as nicely.
Unless its free no one in their right mind wants day one dlc. I just bought a 65 dollar game I should not have to buy content with it to provide a more fulfilling experience, I paid 65 dollars for the game to do that.
Unless its free no one in their right mind wants day one dlc. I just bought a 65 dollar game I should not have to buy content with it to provide a more fulfilling experience, I paid 65 dollars for the game to do that.
"Melo said that a large number of players never finish BioWare games, so having the DLC available at launch provides flexibility for the user."
It's not flexibility for the user, but a better business opportunity for Bioware, instead of risking players not wanting to come back to the mass effect universe after they had their fun, they simply get them when they're "high".
It's not flexibility for the user, but a better business opportunity for Bioware, instead of risking players not wanting to come back to the mass effect universe after they had their fun, they simply get them when they're "high".
How would they know what I want if they never asked me?
I think they know what THEY want people to want. They want me to want to buy a $60 game and a few $10 DLC. I want them to break free from EA and start making games the caliber of Baldur's Gate once again.
I think they know what THEY want people to want. They want me to want to buy a $60 game and a few $10 DLC. I want them to break free from EA and start making games the caliber of Baldur's Gate once again.
I don't think the extra content thing is done solely for the immediate extra profit. Obviously money is always the main motivating factor, but there's also the matter of how it gives them more leeway in terms of release schedule.
From Ashes wasn't ready in time to be included on disc, and the only way it could have been released along with the rest of the game on day one was as DLC. Of course, it wound up being turned into part of a nearly mandatory new purchase scheme. But that doesn't mean that the scheme was why they had to do From Ashes as DLC in the first place.
And you know what else should have been day one DLC? The freakin' full ending. Yeah, nobody wants to go near that one any more but I said it. I don't care if it's on disc or not. Just don't make me wait three months while acting like the EC wasn't part of the plan all along.
When games are rushed, the endings always suffer. It's the last stage of the dev cycle. At least in this case, they cared enough about posterity to come up with a long term solution. That having been said, it still kind of amazes me how more people don't see what they did there. I guess we got so caught up in internet outrage at the time that we simply forgot to evaluate the facts, and now everyone's so burned out on the subject that they don't really even want to think about it any more.
Except for me, of course. I'm weird like that.
From Ashes wasn't ready in time to be included on disc, and the only way it could have been released along with the rest of the game on day one was as DLC. Of course, it wound up being turned into part of a nearly mandatory new purchase scheme. But that doesn't mean that the scheme was why they had to do From Ashes as DLC in the first place.
And you know what else should have been day one DLC? The freakin' full ending. Yeah, nobody wants to go near that one any more but I said it. I don't care if it's on disc or not. Just don't make me wait three months while acting like the EC wasn't part of the plan all along.
When games are rushed, the endings always suffer. It's the last stage of the dev cycle. At least in this case, they cared enough about posterity to come up with a long term solution. That having been said, it still kind of amazes me how more people don't see what they did there. I guess we got so caught up in internet outrage at the time that we simply forgot to evaluate the facts, and now everyone's so burned out on the subject that they don't really even want to think about it any more.
Except for me, of course. I'm weird like that.
I'd try coming up for a breath once and a while Bioware. It must be difficult trying to run a business from the bottom of the ocean.
@The Silent Protagonist
I was being sarcastic based on the quote, " Contrary to what you might hear on the internet, fans do want more content."
I was being sarcastic based on the quote, " Contrary to what you might hear on the internet, fans do want more content."
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