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Well, I think it is more than welcome to have games that make us think and question yourself and the world around us. Of course, it is also great to mindlessly kill zombies once in a while :)
Hopefully it won't bait and switch like Bioshock 2 did. Months of philosophical hype distilled into drilling Splicers for 6 hours.
I was not a big fan of bioshock 1 and 2.
But infinite looks awesome really hope it turns out good for someone like me.
But infinite looks awesome really hope it turns out good for someone like me.
I doubt the Vox will be shitting on cop cars. I also doubt that people should really try to examine the game too deeply politically in terms of vindicating their own perceptions. It's more likely that this will be a case of Shittier vs. Shittier.
One guy takes a shit on a cop car and this is supposed to discredit all of OWS. This crazy shitter has yet to be proven to even be associated with OWS. But that doesn't stop people from setting up their straw man. I guess that's a hell of lot easier than defending the banksters raping and pillaging of our country.
So are they wearing their Roots sweatshirts and using their iPhones to organize a meeting at McDonald's before marching down to their squatting/tent city site to protest large corporations?
Our game is going to be all intelligent and clever and stuff... whilst you shoot people and set fire to monsters.
God I know right! Why are these protesters using anything at all produced by a corporation? Why didn't they just make their own cell phones, clothing, and fast food joints? So entitled and lazy!
I know this won't be a popular opinion, but the 'politics' of Bioshock 2 keep getting a bit.....meh, to me at least. If you want an honest reflection of nationalist, anti-foreign movements of the time period depicted in the game, Europe is the place to be. Half of all the modern 'ism's' you can name brewed on the continent (and Britain) in the early 20th century. America was an isolationist backwater; it was neither more markedly more religious or anti-immigrant than many other European powers. Ken Levine kept stating he wasn't crafting this game around modern American politics, but the more I read, the more it sounds like it's exactly that.
By sticking these themes in America of the period, replete with cartoony, modern middle-brow lefty sounding digs at religion and anti-immigrant sentiment, it just seems kind of a cheezy, hipster cop-out.
The original Bioshock was more philosophic than political, and I thought it hit many right notes. This version seems to be getting a bit 'Rolling Stone' politics in it's play. I don't really get the simplistic right-wing=bad, left-wing=good vibe it's going after either, as 'Progressives' of the early 20th century espoused some pretty nasty anti-immigrant, anti-under-class stuff.
I'm looking forward to the game, and I don't really care if a work leans, politically, one way or the other. I'm more concerned if a work is thought out and shows some complexity. Bioshock 2 may turn out aces, but right now Ken Levine is giving off an Oliver Stone kind of vibe. Cherry-picking an odd historical moment or two and wrapping things around the point he wants to make.
By sticking these themes in America of the period, replete with cartoony, modern middle-brow lefty sounding digs at religion and anti-immigrant sentiment, it just seems kind of a cheezy, hipster cop-out.
The original Bioshock was more philosophic than political, and I thought it hit many right notes. This version seems to be getting a bit 'Rolling Stone' politics in it's play. I don't really get the simplistic right-wing=bad, left-wing=good vibe it's going after either, as 'Progressives' of the early 20th century espoused some pretty nasty anti-immigrant, anti-under-class stuff.
I'm looking forward to the game, and I don't really care if a work leans, politically, one way or the other. I'm more concerned if a work is thought out and shows some complexity. Bioshock 2 may turn out aces, but right now Ken Levine is giving off an Oliver Stone kind of vibe. Cherry-picking an odd historical moment or two and wrapping things around the point he wants to make.
Whenever I bash the government, it seems like people aren't able to point out the fact that I use government services(roads, police, etc.) quickly enough. That's fine, but when people are bashing corporations, it's just as fair for someone like Elsa to point out that they also use corporate products.
The only difference, as far as I'm able to tell, is that I have to pay for roads regardless of whether I use them or not. You don't have to buy a cell phone.
The only difference, as far as I'm able to tell, is that I have to pay for roads regardless of whether I use them or not. You don't have to buy a cell phone.
mrplow8,
People aren't protesting the mere existence of corporations. They're protesting the fact that our government has been taken over by the corporations and big money. And they have rewritten the laws to their advantage or promoted deregulation to the point that the middle class is disappearing before our very eyes.
People aren't protesting the mere existence of corporations. They're protesting the fact that our government has been taken over by the corporations and big money. And they have rewritten the laws to their advantage or promoted deregulation to the point that the middle class is disappearing before our very eyes.
@redsun
Except thats a load of bull. The corporation haven't taken over and promoted deregulation. In fact its the exact opposite. The government controls more of the economy than ever before, and people wander why the economy is taking so long to recover. If you think the recession happened because of lax government regulation I have some bad news for you.
Except thats a load of bull. The corporation haven't taken over and promoted deregulation. In fact its the exact opposite. The government controls more of the economy than ever before, and people wander why the economy is taking so long to recover. If you think the recession happened because of lax government regulation I have some bad news for you.
Redsun, I sympathize with your frustration. But think logically. If we must have government, and if indeed it must consist on small minded fools who insist on regulating the economy and trying to yolk it to one social agenda or another, why would business not take an interest in regulating government? You know what industry spends practically no money lobbying? Veterinary care. Why is that? Because Governent doesn't bother with it much, not trying to erect barriers to entry or making rules that select winners and losers.
When the Feds hit a bees nest, the bees swarm Washinton. What's the answer the protestors seem to want? Hit it with a bigger stick. That will turn out just fine, I'm sure.
When the Feds hit a bees nest, the bees swarm Washinton. What's the answer the protestors seem to want? Hit it with a bigger stick. That will turn out just fine, I'm sure.
Private industry and our elected officials (republican and democrat alike) are both complicit in the destruction of the middle class. The difference being that we can elect new people to represent us. If we let business make their own rules without any regulation...well, just take a look at history and you should be able to figure out how that would go. I'll admit that deregulation would come with some advantages though...any children in the household would have the opportunity to support the family with an extra income working at the local Foxconn labor camp.
I say just overturn that silly Supreme Court decision that said money=voice in politics AKA corporations are people. I know it's a lot more complex than that, but seriously is that not what that settlement boils down to?
It always struck me as odd that this time period never really caught on in our literature. It is probably the most violent, tense period in our history, from around the 1870s to the 1920s.
If OWS was 100 years ago, the Army and the National Guard would have been called in by now to wipe them out with live ammunition. And I state that from historical precedent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pullman_Strike
These were really, really dark, turbulent, and violent times, with for-hire mercenaries being hired, such as the Pinkerton Detective Agency, to beat and stomp union members and people going on strike.
Very glad to see such a forgotten period of our history being put in the limelight. Mostly because it's just so interesting, and makes for a good back drop for discussion.
It was a time of great Panics, great Depressions, great inequality, great oppression, great abuse, great disparity, and great fear. The U.S. escaped a fate most of Europe did, which saw these conflicts escalate and develop into totalitarianism and genocide in countries like Italy, Germany, Spain, Portugal, and Russia.
However, we did come close.
Very excited for this game now.
If OWS was 100 years ago, the Army and the National Guard would have been called in by now to wipe them out with live ammunition. And I state that from historical precedent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pullman_Strike
These were really, really dark, turbulent, and violent times, with for-hire mercenaries being hired, such as the Pinkerton Detective Agency, to beat and stomp union members and people going on strike.
Very glad to see such a forgotten period of our history being put in the limelight. Mostly because it's just so interesting, and makes for a good back drop for discussion.
It was a time of great Panics, great Depressions, great inequality, great oppression, great abuse, great disparity, and great fear. The U.S. escaped a fate most of Europe did, which saw these conflicts escalate and develop into totalitarianism and genocide in countries like Italy, Germany, Spain, Portugal, and Russia.
However, we did come close.
Very excited for this game now.
big corperations don't run the government. its our spineless leaders that screw shit up and bend over to please their cash benifactors. if the gov limits companies too much you kill work and lessen jobs, if its the other way around you can have unsafe/bad work. there is a ballance to this and right now the gov is the real fucker. i wonder what happens to all our tax money because in total that's alot of cash that they get.
Actually, I became excited for this game when I saw the header image in a trailer. I'm a bit of a US History buff, and I immediately started drawing parallels between Columbia and the Tea Party. Maybe that's the result of my Rorshach test in this game, but regardless, I thought it was incredibly cool for them to make this environment during the current political climate.
This game, by far, is one of the more intellectually stimulating games I've seen for a while. Very excited to explore Columbia and see what kind of world Mr. Levine and crew have created.
This game, by far, is one of the more intellectually stimulating games I've seen for a while. Very excited to explore Columbia and see what kind of world Mr. Levine and crew have created.
@ZeroDown:
That just summed up my criticisms of the BioShock series perfectly. The gameplay is so contradictory to the story and themes of the game that I just can't take it seriously. I really think BioShock would benefit greatly if it wasn't built as a shooter.
That just summed up my criticisms of the BioShock series perfectly. The gameplay is so contradictory to the story and themes of the game that I just can't take it seriously. I really think BioShock would benefit greatly if it wasn't built as a shooter.
@kingofredlions
How is violence not appropriate for settings like these?
They might not have been splicing genes but even conflicts like the civil and revolutionary wars (in pretty much every country) were bloody and fought with *gasp* guns! All while set to a political interest or disinterest as it were.
Do people even read history books anymore? I mean, I'm not a professor or anything but at least I'm not being all "hurt durr, shooting stuff and burning things makes no sense when you're trying to be clever."
Context is important people.
And ignore bioshock 2, that wasn't handled by Levine.
How is violence not appropriate for settings like these?
They might not have been splicing genes but even conflicts like the civil and revolutionary wars (in pretty much every country) were bloody and fought with *gasp* guns! All while set to a political interest or disinterest as it were.
Do people even read history books anymore? I mean, I'm not a professor or anything but at least I'm not being all "hurt durr, shooting stuff and burning things makes no sense when you're trying to be clever."
Context is important people.
And ignore bioshock 2, that wasn't handled by Levine.
Throw your congressman in the trash. You want to occupy something? Occupy K street washington DC. Corporations are now people, so why not join "the people" on K street who are lobbying for favor with fundraiser dinners and parties? Write up a draft bill or law, make hundreds of copies and hand them to every senator and congressman that comes outside. The "corporations are people" gives the corporation a chance to "make grievance" with regulations and the like. IT GOES BOTH WAYS. Nobody in the OWS has $5,000 in campaign contribution to give, or $10,000to put towards a dinner party. So what if they decide to peacefully assemble and voice those grievances? Should they not be heard because they "smell like piss"?
Nobody is asking you to play a fucking bongo solo or agree with their ideals, its called fucking EMPATHY, which our society has all but made an outright joke of... and without it you're a pathetic excuse for a human being.
Nobody is asking you to play a fucking bongo solo or agree with their ideals, its called fucking EMPATHY, which our society has all but made an outright joke of... and without it you're a pathetic excuse for a human being.
I thought the game was about some guy saving some chick on some flying city.
By the way, people, "Manifest Destiny" was a real thing; an ugly, real thing.
By the way, people, "Manifest Destiny" was a real thing; an ugly, real thing.
The government is supposed to represent the people, the masses. It aint happening. It hasnt been happening for the past 100years. Money really is the root of all evil. OWS is a good force, and i hate people who take the one story they see on the news (as all news programs are owned by 6 companies) which will always be negative and paint there picture of it from that.
Check this out for a rundown of who owns the mass media
http://www.freepress.net/ownership/chart/main
Check this out for a rundown of who owns the mass media
http://www.freepress.net/ownership/chart/main
Interesting that Kenny ole boy compares a white supremacist site, rather than say a tea party site, to a progressive leftist site. The tea party isn't a white supremacist group. I watched a video on YouTube of a black woman at the occupy wall street protest state that the reason she was there was to "run the Jews out of wall street". The tea party is the only group actually supporting Israel in these trying times for the world. I was mildly interested in this game until this. I loved Bioshock, even though it was tinged with socialist ideas.
@monkeynews All of the media outlets have been ridiculously supportiveof this movement except one. The current administration supports it even. So what you have is government run news. They're the ones orchastrating this. You're a moron.
@^this guy
Im not an moron. Take a look at the majority of gaurdian articles, fox news videos, etc etc. Good points are always overshadows by negative points, they are happy to fill out a full page spread about a guy taking a shit on a car and giving the public a negative view. Happy stories dont mean a thing, and any reporter will seek out a story they belive to be 'juicy' to get themselves a name, and this is why scandal and 'bad' activities are highlighted and promoted more than positive activites. Support it? Obama said 'i feel there pain'. Thats not supporting. Thats acknowledging. The police brutality has been shown yes, but what has happened to them? Clear proof of inocent protesters being punched or thrown about, yet the officers have fuck all done to them. You can have a conversation without attempting to insult me douchebag.
Im not an moron. Take a look at the majority of gaurdian articles, fox news videos, etc etc. Good points are always overshadows by negative points, they are happy to fill out a full page spread about a guy taking a shit on a car and giving the public a negative view. Happy stories dont mean a thing, and any reporter will seek out a story they belive to be 'juicy' to get themselves a name, and this is why scandal and 'bad' activities are highlighted and promoted more than positive activites. Support it? Obama said 'i feel there pain'. Thats not supporting. Thats acknowledging. The police brutality has been shown yes, but what has happened to them? Clear proof of inocent protesters being punched or thrown about, yet the officers have fuck all done to them. You can have a conversation without attempting to insult me douchebag.
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