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@Tristix
With that extra three million are you going to use it to hire extra employees or just task a portion of your existing team to build your multiplayer. If it's the former that's fair enough, but with the second you're losing resources that would normally be used for the single player thus hurting it.
With that extra three million are you going to use it to hire extra employees or just task a portion of your existing team to build your multiplayer. If it's the former that's fair enough, but with the second you're losing resources that would normally be used for the single player thus hurting it.
Shoehorned multiplayer only ruins the online experience for games that focus on single player, due to the fact that all your tactics become useless against the clever and assholish mind of a human player. Everything done in a campaign means nothing on the "real" battlefield.
I am so glad this game doesn't have multiplayer now.
I am so glad this game doesn't have multiplayer now.
I dont think this game needed multiplayer in the first place. Because the whole gameplay experience is pretty good on single player. Bioshock was always a single player game and still is :D. http://anytimegaming.com
Echoing the sentiments of everyone here. This is a good thing. Give me a solid single player campaign over sub-par multiplayer any day.
@quincy
" but with the second you're losing resources that would normally be used for the single player thus hurting it."
Well.. are you though? I mean, you're probably delaying the game in that case but honestly is that SO bad? Sure, I wanted Bioshock Infinite inside me the day I heard about it two years ago, but I realize games take time, and sometimes they even get delayed. Ultimately though... shit takes as long as it takes, ya know? And as mature, understanding gamers, it's up to us to recognize that.
I dunno man, it just seems to me like people think there's some finite amount of GAME hanging out there in the ether waiting to be plucked and injected into things they like, and if something is added that they don't want, they lament the reduced availability of GAME to go around. I don't think it works like that, though.
The example I'd offer you is Dead Space 2, which is most people's poster-child for "shoehorned" multiplayer. For sure, the multiplayer really wasn't interesting at all. Did it hurt single player though? Not that I can tell. It was still on a whole lot of short lists for GOTY last year and was an overall pretty damned excellent game. Would it have been EVEN BETTER if the multiplayer hadn't been there? Hell, who knows, right? I would argue not but I certainly couldn't call you wrong if you said it would, I suppose. The point is, it didn't noticeably hurt the single player aspect of that excellent freakin game in any way we can measure beyond the speculative.
" but with the second you're losing resources that would normally be used for the single player thus hurting it."
Well.. are you though? I mean, you're probably delaying the game in that case but honestly is that SO bad? Sure, I wanted Bioshock Infinite inside me the day I heard about it two years ago, but I realize games take time, and sometimes they even get delayed. Ultimately though... shit takes as long as it takes, ya know? And as mature, understanding gamers, it's up to us to recognize that.
I dunno man, it just seems to me like people think there's some finite amount of GAME hanging out there in the ether waiting to be plucked and injected into things they like, and if something is added that they don't want, they lament the reduced availability of GAME to go around. I don't think it works like that, though.
The example I'd offer you is Dead Space 2, which is most people's poster-child for "shoehorned" multiplayer. For sure, the multiplayer really wasn't interesting at all. Did it hurt single player though? Not that I can tell. It was still on a whole lot of short lists for GOTY last year and was an overall pretty damned excellent game. Would it have been EVEN BETTER if the multiplayer hadn't been there? Hell, who knows, right? I would argue not but I certainly couldn't call you wrong if you said it would, I suppose. The point is, it didn't noticeably hurt the single player aspect of that excellent freakin game in any way we can measure beyond the speculative.
I am neutral on this. I though mp in bioshock 2 was fun for a bit it's not that heady it's still a big pew pew pew shooter at the end of the day with robots and monsters so mp fits just fine. I'm more concerned about why the art director left and what that will mean.
Without the multiplayer component, the bounds of the universe will be broken and the few sales that aren't lost to piracy will be cannibalized when those copies are resold as used without the multiplayer/online ass component.
2K games is doomed! Doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomed!
2K games is doomed! Doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooomed!
When I hear "BioShock," the last thing I think of is multiplayer. I'll admit, I enjoyed BioShock 2's campaign but it wasn't hard to tell that it's nothing but an extension of the first game.
I'm ready for a true follow-up. BioShock is about the excitement of discovering a new world.
I'm ready for a true follow-up. BioShock is about the excitement of discovering a new world.
I don't care about mutiplayer, but yikes, the friggin' art director LEAVING?
I'm kind of worried now, what with this and the huge delay, I really hope Bioshock Infinite lives up to the hype, this is one of my most anticipated games of my entire life
I'm kind of worried now, what with this and the huge delay, I really hope Bioshock Infinite lives up to the hype, this is one of my most anticipated games of my entire life
Scuffles - you would pass up on playing Bioshock Infinite over GFWL? are you fucking nuts?
I mean I hate GFWL too, but wild horses could not keep me from playing Bioshock Infinite, GFWL or no GFWL
sometimes you just gotta DEAL WITH IT
I mean I hate GFWL too, but wild horses could not keep me from playing Bioshock Infinite, GFWL or no GFWL
sometimes you just gotta DEAL WITH IT
I'm getting really tired of this whole useless-if-no-online mentality that this generation forced down our throats.
Just to be contradictory Condemned 2 should have never had a multiplayer mode yet Crime Scene is still the best innovation I've seen in multiplayer this generation.
@UltorOscariot:"The only sad part is that any money was put into it in the first place. The last thing gaming needs is yet another game with tacked on multiplayer or co-op, sucking development resources like a lamprey"
This.
If DS3 and this seem to indicate something is that devs might finally be realizing what a waste of resources is tacked on multiplayer for the sake of it.
This.
If DS3 and this seem to indicate something is that devs might finally be realizing what a waste of resources is tacked on multiplayer for the sake of it.
The Amazing Shenazin - No offense intended but thats the kind of attitude that will continue to see publishers and developers push horrible anti consumer DRM schemes without consequence.
Does it occasionally suck, yeah. I have missed out on quite a few games I would have otherwise loved to play but I have chosen to vote with my wallet. Since I really can't say I've taken a stance against something while continuing to shovel money at it.
So in short yes as much as I would regret it I would be willing to pass up Bioshock Infinite over GFWL. It is one on a small list of my personal instant deal breakers.
Does it occasionally suck, yeah. I have missed out on quite a few games I would have otherwise loved to play but I have chosen to vote with my wallet. Since I really can't say I've taken a stance against something while continuing to shovel money at it.
So in short yes as much as I would regret it I would be willing to pass up Bioshock Infinite over GFWL. It is one on a small list of my personal instant deal breakers.
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Tower Defense style? Thankful for that not happening. Like with the Assassins Creed tower defense, that shit was just god awful but this is probably too biased for that I just don't fancy tower defense at all.
Though it would of been interesting to see how a spec ops kinda view would be. Regardless I'm still going to be all over this game when it releases.
Though it would of been interesting to see how a spec ops kinda view would be. Regardless I'm still going to be all over this game when it releases.
I won't miss it, but it's a little bit concerning that key people like an art director have left the project, despite what Levine says.
At first I was like, but I really enjoyed the MP on Bioshock 2 and felt with a bit more refinement they could've had a cracker. People still play it and it's pretty damn fun imo.
And then I was like, but this'll mean I won't have to hear every other cunt on the internet crying about multiplayer this and shoehorn that and 'WAAAAAAH SINGLE PLAYER IS DOOMED!!!!' for months on fucking end.
So it's a trade off I guess. No big, it was a mode nobody knew about anyway, so it's not like I anticipated it only to be disappointed.
And then I was like, but this'll mean I won't have to hear every other cunt on the internet crying about multiplayer this and shoehorn that and 'WAAAAAAH SINGLE PLAYER IS DOOMED!!!!' for months on fucking end.
So it's a trade off I guess. No big, it was a mode nobody knew about anyway, so it's not like I anticipated it only to be disappointed.
I'll get bashed for this, but who cares, I'll just say it. How boneheaded is Ken and the rest of the lead staff at Irrational for even wasting effort on those multiplayer modes at all. People put this developer up on a pedestal, yet they make stupid choices just like the worst developers of schlock.
Well that's a bit of good news. UNFORTUNATELY tempered by the bad news this morning that the x-com remake WILL have MP.
Despite the fact that Bioshock 2 had some actually fun Multiplayer and people are still actually playing it to this day, they do know how to do a decent multiplayer.
That said.. I do also think it is a good thing that multiplayer was cancelled. More resources to make the game itself even that much better.
I am buying day 1.
That said.. I do also think it is a good thing that multiplayer was cancelled. More resources to make the game itself even that much better.
I am buying day 1.
Couldn't care less. Still don't get the theory that putting multiplayer in somehow detracts from the single player though - excluding shoehorned co-op of course.
Hell yeah. MP is the cancer of gaming today. Finally a developer with the balls to say "we don't need that" -- High five.
No loss here. Let's just hope the game's almighty metascore doesn't suffer due to "lack of replay value".
I think this is the most important component of a game, because it adds endless hours of playing time versus the single player campaign.
@ Scuffles In most developers and franchises, it's very understandable but I never got that impression with Irrational or even this BioShock. It seemed like they wanted to do it because they were ambitious then "ME TOO!" but cut there losses when it would have jeopardized the integrity of the single-player.
Scuffles - all you're doing is cutting your nose off to spite your face, do really think your personal purchase of Bioshock Infinite is gonna make or break GFWL? why not just break your boycott just this once?
but whatever, miss out on the potential GOTY of next year just because you're stubborn and don't want to deal with a little inconvenience
but whatever, miss out on the potential GOTY of next year just because you're stubborn and don't want to deal with a little inconvenience
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