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The only sad part is that any money was put into it in the first place. The last thing gaming needs is yet another game with tacked on multiplayer or co-op, sucking development resources like a lamprey
Wait... I'm still trying to grasp this... It had multiplayer? Wha...
Anyways, I don't see anything wrong with this. BioShock should be single-player only.
And that's pretty much everything Jim already said, so I'm not sure why I'm posting this.
Anyways, I don't see anything wrong with this. BioShock should be single-player only.
And that's pretty much everything Jim already said, so I'm not sure why I'm posting this.
I really hope this wasn't the reason the game got delayed in the first place, because if it was, I'll be furious. I don't understand why developers think that putting in multiplayer in a mostly single player game is a good idea. I doubt most people played Assassin's Creed Brotherhood or Revelations for the multiplayer, and finding anyone to play Mass Effect 3's multiplayer was pretty bad. So why do it game industry? WHY?
The industry needs more of this. Focusing on one or the other benefits both SP and MP players a hell of a lot more than trying to please both and failing everyone.
@GoofierBrute
While I agree with you on the overall point, your examples are pretty bad. Assassin's Creed multiplayer is quite fun aside from the many loading screens, and I've never had an issue finding players for Mass Effect 3. I still don't have any problems, in fact.
While I agree with you on the overall point, your examples are pretty bad. Assassin's Creed multiplayer is quite fun aside from the many loading screens, and I've never had an issue finding players for Mass Effect 3. I still don't have any problems, in fact.
and not one F*** was given that day...
no seriously, this isn't a bad thing at all...plenty of games for multiplayer
no seriously, this isn't a bad thing at all...plenty of games for multiplayer
Me too, Jim. I actually didn't know Infinite had multiplayer modes. It's probably for the best that they'be been cut.
I have no problem with this. It's a shame that the time they spent on multiplayer was wasted where it could have been used to add more polish to the single player game.
Very glad to hear this indeed, this game is probably the most important and most hyped game for me in a long time, I'm going to be ridiculously happy when I finally get my hands on it, this just makes it a more exciting deal.
Although I hope this didn't cut into the single player work too much but I'm happy they didn't just shove in a poorly made multiplayer portion, the game never needed it in the first place, the single player alone looks insanely good enough as it is.
So yeah, great news in my opinion.
Although I hope this didn't cut into the single player work too much but I'm happy they didn't just shove in a poorly made multiplayer portion, the game never needed it in the first place, the single player alone looks insanely good enough as it is.
So yeah, great news in my opinion.
Good. I'm sick of developers putting in MP because they feel they have too.
Some games are meant to be played as a single player experience and they should stay that way.
Some games are meant to be played as a single player experience and they should stay that way.
Not a real huge fan of people in here screaming about how someone else's game should be played. Super stoked for the game, though. Bioshock is still my favorite game this gen and I can't wait to see if Levine and company can top it.
Strangely I am OK with this.
My only question is will Bioshock Infinite be sporting GFWL like Bioshock2. If So then it really doesn't matter what they do to the game because I will never play it :(
My only question is will Bioshock Infinite be sporting GFWL like Bioshock2. If So then it really doesn't matter what they do to the game because I will never play it :(
@Tristrix
Personally didn't perceive any screaming.
In fairness all the game would have gotten would have been some MEEEE TOOOOO, shoehorned multiplayer that no one would have cared about in less than a week. For the sole sake of Marketing being able to tick the multiplayer check box.
I'd gladly take some extra singleplayer/plot driven content over some clunky deathmatch arena mode. They could have strung together some decent co-op play but the odds don't lean in favor of things like that most of the time.
My only remaining fear is that its going to be blighted with GFWL or some other needs to phone home DRM scheme that will interfere with the Single player game :(
Personally didn't perceive any screaming.
In fairness all the game would have gotten would have been some MEEEE TOOOOO, shoehorned multiplayer that no one would have cared about in less than a week. For the sole sake of Marketing being able to tick the multiplayer check box.
I'd gladly take some extra singleplayer/plot driven content over some clunky deathmatch arena mode. They could have strung together some decent co-op play but the odds don't lean in favor of things like that most of the time.
My only remaining fear is that its going to be blighted with GFWL or some other needs to phone home DRM scheme that will interfere with the Single player game :(
@Goof: Revelations hadone of the most unique and fun mp I've played this gen.
I'm glad this is out. Kinda sad about the spec ops stuff, but plenty of games alreadyoffer that type of thing anyway.
I'm glad this is out. Kinda sad about the spec ops stuff, but plenty of games alreadyoffer that type of thing anyway.
Great, I'm glad. I would have been super bummed if I hear it did have multiplayer. I probably would have rented it then, since I would not have been able to shake the feeling that the single player suffered because of it, and I am careful which games to spend my money on. If I think the single player has been compromised even a little bit for a multiplayer mode that 10 people will play for a few days before going back to Call of Duty, Halo and Killzone, I will just rent the game instead of buying it.
So hearing they dropped it is good news to me. Whenever I see a game that has multiplayer in it, and clearly has no business adding one (Dead Space 2 & 3, Bioshock 2, etc) I just sit by and laugh as the developers desperately try and convince us that the single player isn't going to affected, and that they wouldn't add a multiplayer mode if they didn't think it was a great, logical and needed component of the game.
I laugh because, as we all know, it's just a load of bullshit. They obviously can't tell the truth and say "Well the publisher keeps telling us that people who buy games that have multiplayer are likely to hold on to the game for 1.7 weeks longer than a game without multiplayer, so we needed to spend 3 million dollars implementing some lazy, routinely broken multiplayer mode that nobody will play so people hold on to our games for over a week longer before trading it in".
So hearing they dropped it is good news to me. Whenever I see a game that has multiplayer in it, and clearly has no business adding one (Dead Space 2 & 3, Bioshock 2, etc) I just sit by and laugh as the developers desperately try and convince us that the single player isn't going to affected, and that they wouldn't add a multiplayer mode if they didn't think it was a great, logical and needed component of the game.
I laugh because, as we all know, it's just a load of bullshit. They obviously can't tell the truth and say "Well the publisher keeps telling us that people who buy games that have multiplayer are likely to hold on to the game for 1.7 weeks longer than a game without multiplayer, so we needed to spend 3 million dollars implementing some lazy, routinely broken multiplayer mode that nobody will play so people hold on to our games for over a week longer before trading it in".
I dunno Scuffles, I've got way too much respect for Irrational to reduce and label anything they'd do as "shoehorned", and all that other stuff you just said, sight unseen.
Frankly the term "shoehorned" is becoming one of those terms that so overly and poorly applied on the internet that it's meaningless. What qualifies and what doesn't? Who determines what's necessary to a game and what doesn't? Is the multiplayer in Bioshock 2 shoehorned? How about AC:Brotherhood? Call of Duty? What's the difference and who decides it? What if there's even a small community of players enjoying an ostensibly unnecessary multiplayer mode? Is it still unnecessary? How would you feel about that if you were in that small community?
...and so on and so forth. Ya know? I just don't like that attitude. To me, it comes off like "I'm not interested, therefore the game isn't allowed to have it and you're not allowed to be interested in it either." That's kinda lame don't you think? There's entire games I don't give a shit about. I don't go around complaining that they exist though, ya know? "All this time and money into making another stupid Shin Megami Tensei game when someone could have been making me another Quake!" Seems silly, is all.
Frankly the term "shoehorned" is becoming one of those terms that so overly and poorly applied on the internet that it's meaningless. What qualifies and what doesn't? Who determines what's necessary to a game and what doesn't? Is the multiplayer in Bioshock 2 shoehorned? How about AC:Brotherhood? Call of Duty? What's the difference and who decides it? What if there's even a small community of players enjoying an ostensibly unnecessary multiplayer mode? Is it still unnecessary? How would you feel about that if you were in that small community?
...and so on and so forth. Ya know? I just don't like that attitude. To me, it comes off like "I'm not interested, therefore the game isn't allowed to have it and you're not allowed to be interested in it either." That's kinda lame don't you think? There's entire games I don't give a shit about. I don't go around complaining that they exist though, ya know? "All this time and money into making another stupid Shin Megami Tensei game when someone could have been making me another Quake!" Seems silly, is all.
HOORAY! No more half-assed bullshit MP taking resources away from the core experience in a narrative-focused game!
I'm not happy with the loss of its employees but this is a sliver lining I can very much enjoy. The first game was great without it and the second did less then good with it.
"it´s our holy duty to guard against the foreign hordes"
Native americans are foreigners? Seems legit to me.
But seriously, this game looks amazing. Sould I play the older ones first?
Native americans are foreigners? Seems legit to me.
But seriously, this game looks amazing. Sould I play the older ones first?
I can't imagine it would have been awesome or anything, but I'm not one of those people who complain about so-called "tacked-on" multiplayer. Dead Space 2 certainly didn't suffer for it.
Anyway, no skin off my dick either way. So yeah.
Anyway, no skin off my dick either way. So yeah.
I will give you that at the end of the day it is somewhat subjective.
But isn't it just as selfish to demand that resources be taken away from the singleplayer campaign to squander them on poorly implemented multiplayer?
If they can manage decent multiplayer then yes everyone wins.
However if they are going to push multiplayer just for the sake of having multiplayer to have multiplayer. which sadly seems to be the case more often than not unless the game is designed from the ground up with multiplayer elements at its core.
In this case they are cutting their losses and scrapping the Multiplayer elements that should speak volumes. Primarily that they didn't feel it was going to be worthwhile. Unfortunately that means that they have already squandered resources that could have been directed at making the single player game that much better.
Tho I will concede that I too have no clue WTF Shin Megami Tensei is still a thing :P
But isn't it just as selfish to demand that resources be taken away from the singleplayer campaign to squander them on poorly implemented multiplayer?
If they can manage decent multiplayer then yes everyone wins.
However if they are going to push multiplayer just for the sake of having multiplayer to have multiplayer. which sadly seems to be the case more often than not unless the game is designed from the ground up with multiplayer elements at its core.
In this case they are cutting their losses and scrapping the Multiplayer elements that should speak volumes. Primarily that they didn't feel it was going to be worthwhile. Unfortunately that means that they have already squandered resources that could have been directed at making the single player game that much better.
Tho I will concede that I too have no clue WTF Shin Megami Tensei is still a thing :P
People say that the internet complains more than they praise, so here's me praising Irrational for being... rational:
Good job.
Good job.
good riddance. hopefully this will end this ridiculous trend and without time and resource draining forced-in multiplayer modes, we'll see more polished single player experiences, or, at least see them sooner.
@scuffles
"Unfortunately that means that they have already squandered resources that could have been directed at making the single player game that much better."
Nuh uh. It doesn't mean that at all. At least, it doesn't HAVE to mean that. There's a couple of ways that can work. Lets say you and I are making a game together. We get a publisher. If the publisher says we have $5 Million to make this game, and you and I agree we should include multiplayer, the development of that multiplayer oviously comes out of that budget.
However, if you and I are making the same game with the same publisher and that publisher says "Hey guys, we'll bump you up to $8 million if you put multiplayer in there" then the addition of that mode does NOT take resources from our single player game. Lets be honest here, that's probably what happened isn't it? 2K said "hey Irrational, put multiplayer in there" and Irrational, being the savvy businessmen and women they are said "sure, it'll cost you."
That's not necessarily a bad thing, btw. I should point that out. The addition of an MP mode into a franchise that didn't originally have it HAS, in fact, worked out quite well in the past and will again do so occasionally in the future. What's more, if there's a dev studio on the planet that I'd trust to do it right, it's Irrational. The fact that they ultimately declined to do so, I think, lends credence to that, and the only reason I still belabor the point now after the fact is that when they inevitably DO include MP in their next 'shock title, I wanna be on public record as saying "sweet, bring it."
"Unfortunately that means that they have already squandered resources that could have been directed at making the single player game that much better."
Nuh uh. It doesn't mean that at all. At least, it doesn't HAVE to mean that. There's a couple of ways that can work. Lets say you and I are making a game together. We get a publisher. If the publisher says we have $5 Million to make this game, and you and I agree we should include multiplayer, the development of that multiplayer oviously comes out of that budget.
However, if you and I are making the same game with the same publisher and that publisher says "Hey guys, we'll bump you up to $8 million if you put multiplayer in there" then the addition of that mode does NOT take resources from our single player game. Lets be honest here, that's probably what happened isn't it? 2K said "hey Irrational, put multiplayer in there" and Irrational, being the savvy businessmen and women they are said "sure, it'll cost you."
That's not necessarily a bad thing, btw. I should point that out. The addition of an MP mode into a franchise that didn't originally have it HAS, in fact, worked out quite well in the past and will again do so occasionally in the future. What's more, if there's a dev studio on the planet that I'd trust to do it right, it's Irrational. The fact that they ultimately declined to do so, I think, lends credence to that, and the only reason I still belabor the point now after the fact is that when they inevitably DO include MP in their next 'shock title, I wanna be on public record as saying "sweet, bring it."
Dont really care,but would have been cool to have seen if they had made a coop campaign mode and wether it would be tacked on or fleshed out...
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