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I blame Nintendo for taking until the end of the current HD generation to release an HD console pretty much on par (perhaps a tiny bit more powerful) with consoles from 2005-2006. I don't blame Irrational. I don't want them to delay the other versions so a console that should've been released years ago instead of an SD console with specifications on par with last gen consoles can get it same day.
We're blaming third parties now instead of Nintendo. My, how the logic of the world turns for the fanboys.
I still remember extremely restrictive NES days, where Konami had to publish under "Ultra" because Nintendo wouldn't allow a certain number of games from developers. I remember alienating their third party support on the N64 days by refusing to switch to discs, then alienating them further with bad relations and poor incentives on the Gamecube. And I remember them releasing a console underpowered so that easy third-party ports easily made for two other systems couldn't be moved over without excessive amounts of work for diminished returns.
But hey, totally the third party's fault. Viva la Nintendo! You do no wrong.
I still remember extremely restrictive NES days, where Konami had to publish under "Ultra" because Nintendo wouldn't allow a certain number of games from developers. I remember alienating their third party support on the N64 days by refusing to switch to discs, then alienating them further with bad relations and poor incentives on the Gamecube. And I remember them releasing a console underpowered so that easy third-party ports easily made for two other systems couldn't be moved over without excessive amounts of work for diminished returns.
But hey, totally the third party's fault. Viva la Nintendo! You do no wrong.
Also considering 1. This system is going to be underpowered compared to the next Xbox and PS4 and 2. They STILL haven't announced a release date or price point for this thing, Bioshock Infinite could be a launch title for all we know.
After the N64, Gamecube, Wii, DS and 3DS how can any 3rd party have confidence in Nintendo? Unless, of course, your game has "Just" and "Dance" in the title.
The first Bioshock was ported to the PS3 more than one year later, even though the PS3 was already on the market in 2007.
"After the N64, Gamecube, Wii, DS and 3DS how can any 3rd party have confidence in Nintendo? "
What?
ds and 3ds have unbelievable third party exclusive support. For that matter so did the wii.
The only arguement thats legit is against the gamecube and n64
What?
ds and 3ds have unbelievable third party exclusive support. For that matter so did the wii.
The only arguement thats legit is against the gamecube and n64
Back on topic, not all that concerned. whats going to move units isnt a port of bioshock infinite, its going to be exclusives. This was never going to be that.
^ hush, I count launch exclusives from 4 different third party devs
thats actually really impressive
thats actually really impressive
@Stealth
Yeah. That's not exactly a good thing, though. It's unbelievable how much shovelware the DS and 3DS have. Same goes for the Wii. Phew.
Good games on them, too (although the Wii has FAR less quality games than the DS/3DS do), but the amount of shovelware just boggles the mind.
Yeah. That's not exactly a good thing, though. It's unbelievable how much shovelware the DS and 3DS have. Same goes for the Wii. Phew.
Good games on them, too (although the Wii has FAR less quality games than the DS/3DS do), but the amount of shovelware just boggles the mind.
@marche
not sure what your talking about ( disjointed comments)
But every system has shovelware. The ps3 has shovelware, the ps2 had shovelware. But what the ds and 3ds had and has that things like the ps2 had were exclusives to back it up. An incredible amount of exclusives.
The DS in totality is probably nintendos best single system lineup
not sure what your talking about ( disjointed comments)
But every system has shovelware. The ps3 has shovelware, the ps2 had shovelware. But what the ds and 3ds had and has that things like the ps2 had were exclusives to back it up. An incredible amount of exclusives.
The DS in totality is probably nintendos best single system lineup
"Just how many people like that are there on the planet? Twenty five? Thirty?"
*raises hand*
Because of uni and money and stuff I never got around to getting either a PS3, 360 or a Wii. So I'm getting a Wii U. And Bioshock Infinite. Glad to hear that it's getting a Wii U release, even if it is a late one.
*raises hand*
Because of uni and money and stuff I never got around to getting either a PS3, 360 or a Wii. So I'm getting a Wii U. And Bioshock Infinite. Glad to hear that it's getting a Wii U release, even if it is a late one.
A late release of a game MIGHT make sense if the system was significantly more powerful than the 360/PS3. As it is, there's no reason to think a Wii-U version will be superior to them, much less the PC version. There is also the matter of the controller adding unique gameplay possibilities, and some might want the game on Wii-U for that reason. I think just as many, like myself, look at the controller as an irritating gimmick and would rather play the game without it :x
"ds and 3ds have unbelievable third party exclusive support. For that matter so did the wii."
Yes. It was unbelievable. It was unbelievable how much shit they let sit on store shelves. It was unbelievable they let good games sit in a pile of shovelware.
Few third party games of exceptional quality got the sales they should have because there were so many games that few were willing to sort through the shit to find those few exceptional games.
Yes. It was unbelievable. It was unbelievable how much shit they let sit on store shelves. It was unbelievable they let good games sit in a pile of shovelware.
Few third party games of exceptional quality got the sales they should have because there were so many games that few were willing to sort through the shit to find those few exceptional games.
^ jinx a feature isnt a gimmick
The word gimmick gets thrown around way too much. And you can play a game without use of the touch screen. DS titles have done exactly that
The word gimmick gets thrown around way too much. And you can play a game without use of the touch screen. DS titles have done exactly that
Nintendo's home consoles will never be at the bleeding edge of the industry until Nintendo decides to design hardware that is technically competitive. It's a risky proposition, and counter to Nintendo's "always profit" strategy, but that's how you get devs to prioritize investment in your platform.
Anyway, consoles are looking more and more similar, with processors from IBM and GPUs from AMD. It shouldn't matter as much which console is the "primary development platform" in the next-gen, and in fact the Wii U may dictate development as the lowest common denominator.
Anyway, consoles are looking more and more similar, with processors from IBM and GPUs from AMD. It shouldn't matter as much which console is the "primary development platform" in the next-gen, and in fact the Wii U may dictate development as the lowest common denominator.
@fungly
no offense but you said the ds had a bad library I cant take you seriously now.
Actually alot of great series on the ds had there highest sales ever
ie pokemon, dragon quest, shiren, kirby to name a small few
so yeah, the ds did very well for alot of companies
in fact square, capcom, namco, atlus, and others have come out and said how good the ds was for them
no offense but you said the ds had a bad library I cant take you seriously now.
Actually alot of great series on the ds had there highest sales ever
ie pokemon, dragon quest, shiren, kirby to name a small few
so yeah, the ds did very well for alot of companies
in fact square, capcom, namco, atlus, and others have come out and said how good the ds was for them
Oh hell.. I'm just hoping the PS3 port isn't a buggy mess like so many third party PS3 games are. At least the WiiU is getting it and because they'll have the other versions out, they'll be able to hopefully do a proper job with the WiiU version.
... the WiiU will still be a new console for them to work with after all.. so some growing pains will be expected and a concurrent release might be too much to hope for.
... the WiiU will still be a new console for them to work with after all.. so some growing pains will be expected and a concurrent release might be too much to hope for.
If it offers something new from the PS3/360/PC versions and I have a Wii U, I might get it. However, that's only after I get games like Rayman Legends, Pikmin 3, P-100, etc. You know, original games that were made for the Wii U in mind and not half ass ports of AAA games.
If you can play the games without a touchscreen, doesn't that make it unnecessary? So it's just like a little added feature to turn the heads of less wary consumers and get their attention even when it isn't prominently used?
gimmick |ˈgimik|
noun
a trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or business.
OH SHIT.
gimmick |ˈgimik|
noun
a trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or business.
OH SHIT.
@shadow
alot of people thought a analog stick was unnecessary.
And alot of people thought a touch screen was unnesseary and then the ds and ios happened
alot of things are called gimmicks before they take off and add things to the gameplay
alot of people thought a analog stick was unnecessary.
And alot of people thought a touch screen was unnesseary and then the ds and ios happened
alot of things are called gimmicks before they take off and add things to the gameplay
i honestly don't give a shit about games like Bioshock or other generic shooters and action games coming to Wii U. all i want is the similar suport that both Wii and DS got from japanese devs - Wii had the best exclusives from 3rd parties and most original console games this generation. all i need is for Wii U to get developers who will take risks and make original ideas. with the second screen we may also get some franchises from DS as well - i really hope for Sigma Harmonics 2 and Trauma Center U.
"Just how many people like that are there on the planet? Twenty five? Thirty?"
how about uuurrr...
me?
how about uuurrr...
me?
I wouldn't say that hardware features are necessarily gimmicks, but they strike me more as tools. The value of a tool is not in the tool itself, but what it enables you to do. If developers make good use of the touch screen interface, then it will be perceived as less of a gimmick. It is up to Nintendo to help make this happen, to drive this type of development.
you should I am trying to educate you with some sense, instead of hating everything maybe youll actually take a look at the libraries
@marche
I still have no idea what we are talking about. Dont worry about clueing me in if it doesnt matter
@marche
I still have no idea what we are talking about. Dont worry about clueing me in if it doesnt matter
A gimmick is something without A SINGLE APPLICATION.
If anyone here says touch screens have zero applications for games, then I might have to reevaluate my faith
If anyone here says touch screens have zero applications for games, then I might have to reevaluate my faith
http://www.amazon.com/Wheel-Fortune-Playstation-2/dp/B00006ZCBY
deal or no deal huh?
Dont be stupid and dilute a library of thousands of titles. too 3 casual titles.
deal or no deal huh?
Dont be stupid and dilute a library of thousands of titles. too 3 casual titles.
@Stealth: Well then, to be fair, in the context of home video game consoles, a touch screen is then a gimmick. No console has had a touch screen (at least by modern definitions) yet. =)
The DS had to overcome the same "gimmick" perception that persisted prior to its release, and I admit that I was among the skeptics. Only when it was in consumers' hands did that line of criticism go away, and I expect this case to proceed in similar fashion.
The DS had to overcome the same "gimmick" perception that persisted prior to its release, and I admit that I was among the skeptics. Only when it was in consumers' hands did that line of criticism go away, and I expect this case to proceed in similar fashion.
@Aequitas
Id prefer to call it a new feature. And whether its a gimmick ( which we know it isnt) would be determined after a game came out that uses it
Your second paragraph is correct
Because of the ds I am a big believer in not only touch screen gaming but dual screen gaming too
Id prefer to call it a new feature. And whether its a gimmick ( which we know it isnt) would be determined after a game came out that uses it
Your second paragraph is correct
Because of the ds I am a big believer in not only touch screen gaming but dual screen gaming too
While I agree that these "delayed" third party releases aren't going to do much for the Wii U...
"Watching third parties working on Nintendo consoles is often like watching a train wreck in slow motion. It doesn't matter how much you scream, there's nothing you can do to alter their doomed course for failure." - Jolmes
"Watching third parties working on Nintendo consoles is often like watching a train wreck in slow motion. It doesn't matter how much you scream, there's nothing you can do to alter their doomed course for failure." - Jolmes
But the Wii U version of Bioshock infinite is bound to be the best version with enhanced features! Tap the touch screen to shoot! Shake the tablet to reload and jump! Assign plasmids to areas of the touch screen! Crane your neck down every and lose your visual focus every time you want to play a hacking minigame! And the developers will probably be so confident in their new touch/motion control scheme that it will be the ONLY way to play!
I feel like whatever occurred on the Wii has been unfairly retroactively applied to all Nintendo consoles of the past.
Either that or Resident Evil 4, Super Monkey Ball, etc. were secretly published by Nintendo.
Either that or Resident Evil 4, Super Monkey Ball, etc. were secretly published by Nintendo.
@Fugly Duckling:
Donīt embarass yourself by calling the DS and 3DS undersupported by 3rd parties. The DS is right up there (and in my opinion even surpasses it) with the Ps2 when it comes to quality exclusives . I wonīt post a list but saying something ...I canīt even find the right words...uneducated like this is just baffling.
Donīt embarass yourself by calling the DS and 3DS undersupported by 3rd parties. The DS is right up there (and in my opinion even surpasses it) with the Ps2 when it comes to quality exclusives . I wonīt post a list but saying something ...I canīt even find the right words...uneducated like this is just baffling.
@orni
I tried to keep him from embarrassing himself but he did it anyway.
The ds is right there with the best third party support on any single platform
I tried to keep him from embarrassing himself but he did it anyway.
The ds is right there with the best third party support on any single platform
@Ilort Het:
Didnīt we have that before ? Do you remeber the Mass Effect 3 port ?
"I canīt believe they actually used the screen to ENHANCE the experience and make every change subtile and optional..."
Remember that ? That was you !
Didnīt we have that before ? Do you remeber the Mass Effect 3 port ?
"I canīt believe they actually used the screen to ENHANCE the experience and make every change subtile and optional..."
Remember that ? That was you !
@Monkey Bomb
Criticism against Gamecube's 3rd party support is more than fair. Not that there weren't ANY at all, but the sparse amount of quality 3rd party games were too little too late, and were pretty much all ported to the PS2. I guess the fact that a game gets an enhanced port on the PS2 doesn't harm the original gamecube version, but it still speaks badly to Nintendo's luck with 3rd parties.
Criticism against Gamecube's 3rd party support is more than fair. Not that there weren't ANY at all, but the sparse amount of quality 3rd party games were too little too late, and were pretty much all ported to the PS2. I guess the fact that a game gets an enhanced port on the PS2 doesn't harm the original gamecube version, but it still speaks badly to Nintendo's luck with 3rd parties.
I just want to point out that his last analogy, "a train wreck in slow motion", was fantastic and could be used to describe any number of dire situations. I had no idea Jonathan Holmes was such a fantastic writer. Good job Holmes!
Oh hey, stealth in a nintendo article, do you get paid to defend this hard?
The Wii is a gimmick, a really crappy and imprecise gimmick I might add, they made something to have it work better and guess what? IT WAS NEVER SUPPORTED, thus continuing the trend of Nintendo peripherals. I can't count the number of titles that most agree would have been better without horrible motion garbage(Skyward Sword, Donkey Kong to name a few).
The way the controller is also limits what developers can do in regards to porting, why do you think the Wii U has a traditional looking one now? Its an alternative.
It still doesn't change the fact that Nintendo treats its 3rd parties like crap. Look at the "killer app" lists for the Wii U, shits either gonna be out or has been out already for months, Ninja Gaiden 3 is one of their launch titles, one of the worst games of last year.
The Wii is a gimmick, a really crappy and imprecise gimmick I might add, they made something to have it work better and guess what? IT WAS NEVER SUPPORTED, thus continuing the trend of Nintendo peripherals. I can't count the number of titles that most agree would have been better without horrible motion garbage(Skyward Sword, Donkey Kong to name a few).
The way the controller is also limits what developers can do in regards to porting, why do you think the Wii U has a traditional looking one now? Its an alternative.
It still doesn't change the fact that Nintendo treats its 3rd parties like crap. Look at the "killer app" lists for the Wii U, shits either gonna be out or has been out already for months, Ninja Gaiden 3 is one of their launch titles, one of the worst games of last year.
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