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I always thought the "experience" concept for hiring was kinda dumb, particularly when the employer requires said experience but isn't willing to offer any ever. Leave it to the gaming industry to do something just as weird and make it worse by not looking at success in context.
This sounds like a decision from a detached HR department. Many times in the IT sector, you'll see requirements like "10 years of experience in programming." Well, if the project calls for a specific language like SQL, what if the candidate only has experience with BASIC?
Likewise, what if an indie developer creates a very small puzzle game that is reviewed by two outlets, at 90% on Metacritic?
Would that person automatically be more qualified to develop shooters for Irrational Games than an individual from Infinity Ward, who created a largely successful FPS game that happened to obtain an 84% from one hundred outlets?
Something doesn't add up.
Likewise, what if an indie developer creates a very small puzzle game that is reviewed by two outlets, at 90% on Metacritic?
Would that person automatically be more qualified to develop shooters for Irrational Games than an individual from Infinity Ward, who created a largely successful FPS game that happened to obtain an 84% from one hundred outlets?
Something doesn't add up.
A strange requirement to say the least. It's fairly stupid considering that a metacritic score is entirely dependent on critics who have wavering opinions and possible biases towards what they like
This is how it starts. Pretty soon the trollish, illiterate user reviews will be the the benchmark. God help us all.
Yeah, what happens if a decent game gets flamed by a minority of people who all give it 1? Or visa versa, a crap game with extreme fanboys who give it 9? Seems pretty arbitrary to rely on metacritic scores :/
This is pritty fucking stupid,like meta critic its self a 5/5 does not equate to 100%,personally I belive that the gaming industry should just scrap scores all together,or that each reveiwer should use a scale out of 100% not out of 10 or 5,also dont let IGN review anything >:D
Meh, it could be worse.
As much as its cool to hate on Metacritic, can you honestly say that there are many truly bad games that score over 85?
What it also does is (at least try) to focus on quality, take for example Okami, game sold shit, was a commercial bomb, however using this metric its still a note worthy accomplishment with the original sitting pretty with 93.
I'd much rather this be based on aggregated review scores than sales numbers at least this way Okami devs would be picked up before Carnival Games Devs.
As much as its cool to hate on Metacritic, can you honestly say that there are many truly bad games that score over 85?
What it also does is (at least try) to focus on quality, take for example Okami, game sold shit, was a commercial bomb, however using this metric its still a note worthy accomplishment with the original sitting pretty with 93.
I'd much rather this be based on aggregated review scores than sales numbers at least this way Okami devs would be picked up before Carnival Games Devs.
This is literally going too far. I can't believe that a single website subject to rampant manipulation holds so much clout in the games' industry. It's disgusting, really, where people are based not on what can be seen by careful observation but rather via a blanket slate that lazy people use to decipher what is "teh best game". CONCEPTS matter, not what a game turned into. Not everyone can gain the support of a large majority of reviewers if their game is low budget or simply not brought to full form.
Chris: I have to agree, this sounds like a weird HR requirement designed to weed out the deluge of applicants almost all job postings get now. The problem is that often the requirements are so specific they can't find anyone who makes it through the cull, and then those employers complain they can't find skilled employees.
Of course, I haven't yet figured out how I'm supposed to get any experience if no one will hire me and train me, but, what do I know.
Of course, I haven't yet figured out how I'm supposed to get any experience if no one will hire me and train me, but, what do I know.
bureaucracy to the max . Irrational games will be left without staff if they keep this shit up .For example if Christopher Nolan wanted to work as a writter for IG , then he will be rejected for his poor skills in writing (metascore only 75 ) .
So someone like Suda 51 is automatically disqualified.
Yeah, that sure makes a lot of sense. Because that guy sure haven't designed any innovative or though-provoking games. No siree!
Yeah, that sure makes a lot of sense. Because that guy sure haven't designed any innovative or though-provoking games. No siree!
It seems like it might be stupid, but a game being well received is important to sales and using metacritic as a measuring stick probably isn't as bad of a idea as you might think. Unless you think criticism is totally corrupt in general, which I don't.
Equating talent based on what internet critics say rather than your own experience. And what of new talent that doesn't have such a rating? You just ignore them?
no wonder the industry is boned, this is what passed for logic
no wonder the industry is boned, this is what passed for logic
@arkane9
He sure hasn't produced very many good selling games, thats for sure. Video game industry is a business in the end.
He sure hasn't produced very many good selling games, thats for sure. Video game industry is a business in the end.
@doewnskitty
lmfao Just curious, do you have to work really hard at being a giant pretentious douche, or does it just come naturally?
lmfao Just curious, do you have to work really hard at being a giant pretentious douche, or does it just come naturally?
You would assume that they would want people to have worked for a game that has, you know, MADE MONEY, instead they prefer what a handful of video game critics think.
Its a weird requirement but, then again, they are asking for a game designer. Games development is a team effort, but there are a core team that is responsible for most decisions.
A concept artist can't be credited of the quality of the whole game; but a designer is responsible of creating, polish and approve some of the core gameplay aspects of it. The analogy here is closer to a movie director.
A concept artist can't be credited of the quality of the whole game; but a designer is responsible of creating, polish and approve some of the core gameplay aspects of it. The analogy here is closer to a movie director.
Because a single metacritic score will really tell you anything about someone involved in a collaborative project.
Game could have gotten a 95+ and the person you are about to hire could be the group slacker. Who phoned in all their work and was carried by the rest of the team.
Game could have gotten a 60+/- and you could be pushing off the single competent team member who your company would greatly benefit from. Not to mention how they would shine when paired with competent teammates.
Game could have gotten a 95+ and the person you are about to hire could be the group slacker. Who phoned in all their work and was carried by the rest of the team.
Game could have gotten a 60+/- and you could be pushing off the single competent team member who your company would greatly benefit from. Not to mention how they would shine when paired with competent teammates.
oh so they won't hire anyone who worked on bioshock 2 I guess?
'cause I liked it almost better than the first one.
'cause I liked it almost better than the first one.
O Gods of Internet Snark, grant me strenght to reply to this news story properly! IA MAD'DOKS! IA SHAN-BA'BE!
I see it!
They might as well hire people based on their Zodiac sign. It means exactly as much but at least has seniority.
I see it!
They might as well hire people based on their Zodiac sign. It means exactly as much but at least has seniority.
Employers looking to hire often make stupid sets of requirements for job applicants.
On posting I saw recently was for "an employee with at least 10 years of Microsoft windows server 2008 experience" but then again if you can find someone capable of time travel I bet that's be a kick ass employee.
On posting I saw recently was for "an employee with at least 10 years of Microsoft windows server 2008 experience" but then again if you can find someone capable of time travel I bet that's be a kick ass employee.
You could look at it the other way. They could be saying to themselves, "We get far too many unqualified applicants, so let’s just cull the herd as brutally as possible."
A studio like Irrational must get tons of misspelled, badly composed resumes from idiots all the time who think, "I want to make viddia-gameies!!!" The people qualified for their job would probably look at that requirement and laugh. They either ‘have’ that qualification, or they are talented enough to know it won't matter because they are good enough.
A studio like Irrational must get tons of misspelled, badly composed resumes from idiots all the time who think, "I want to make viddia-gameies!!!" The people qualified for their job would probably look at that requirement and laugh. They either ‘have’ that qualification, or they are talented enough to know it won't matter because they are good enough.
Too bad for the Fallout: New Vegas developers, then. Poor sods didn't even get a bonus payment because of their disgusting 84 metacritic score.
I hated Bioshock. I hated Bioshock 2. I was not looking forward to Bioshock Infinite. It wasn't even on my radar. I called Bioshock one of the most overrated games ever made in the history of video games. I was finally, after over 5 years, convinced to go back and try it again. I was told that when I played the original Bioshock I was going through some tough times, and those tough times may have negatively influenced my feelings about the game.
And when I played the sequel, those negative feelings were still present and they prevented me from enjoying them. This is what I was told, so I gave in and replayed Bioshock...I now love Bioshock. I now love Bioshock 2. I am now looking forward to Bioshock Infinite.
And when I played the sequel, those negative feelings were still present and they prevented me from enjoying them. This is what I was told, so I gave in and replayed Bioshock...I now love Bioshock. I now love Bioshock 2. I am now looking forward to Bioshock Infinite.
That's just inacceptable.
An employer should take the time and do the research, and decide on his impressions and tests whether someone is worthy of the position.
An employer should take the time and do the research, and decide on his impressions and tests whether someone is worthy of the position.
The entire last third of Bioshock was a slow, trudging, boring, escort questy bore fest complete with awful last boss. By that logic Bioshock should have a 67% Meta.
VG industry continues to be a tremendous joke and showing its level of detachment from anything resembling normalcy.
@ GregB - I'll take being a douche over being a fucking moron, if you're suggesting a strictly binary either/or scenario, here. Douches are also at least good for cleaning things, while morons require having safety labels on everything.
@ RoOhDiNi - So long as they are satisfying federal requirements in their hiring, the company can specify whatever requirements they deem necessary in potential candidates. Granted, I would rather they followed a model more like you suggested, but it's not my company to decide with how to do things.
I really don't like the precedent it sets, but I suppose it was inevitable, given how increasingly prevalent it's become in various commpanies' decisions, such as whether or not to award bonuses if a certain number is achieved. It certainly points to a greater disconnect between who actually makes the game and who profits from it, along with everything Chris Carter said earlier.
@ RoOhDiNi - So long as they are satisfying federal requirements in their hiring, the company can specify whatever requirements they deem necessary in potential candidates. Granted, I would rather they followed a model more like you suggested, but it's not my company to decide with how to do things.
I really don't like the precedent it sets, but I suppose it was inevitable, given how increasingly prevalent it's become in various commpanies' decisions, such as whether or not to award bonuses if a certain number is achieved. It certainly points to a greater disconnect between who actually makes the game and who profits from it, along with everything Chris Carter said earlier.
The problem is wonderful games can still get a score below an 84. Take for example Deadly Premonition. It was panned by certain critics but loved by most gamers. It has a 68 metacritic average yet for me it would be blasphemy to call Swery's team "untalented hacks".
Y'know what I remember about Bioshock? It was pretty, short, and had a few philosophical themes. Beyond that I don't think it was quite as "amazing" as everyone said it was. I didn't even re-play it after beating it.
Y'know what I remember about Bioshock? It was pretty, short, and had a few philosophical themes. Beyond that I don't think it was quite as "amazing" as everyone said it was. I didn't even re-play it after beating it.
That sucks. Specially the part about it really being team effort (which is so true). I get looking for a great member for the team, but, really, this wreaks of a VH1 where are they now story: 1 dude got too big for his britches, despite it being a team effort, and it ruined the whole band.
It's fucking Irrational, of course they want the best for Bioshock
they love their creation.
But what Chris Carter said is very true. They should just have said
"we want someone with experience in at least one critical acclaimed
game by at least fifteen sources"
they love their creation.
But what Chris Carter said is very true. They should just have said
"we want someone with experience in at least one critical acclaimed
game by at least fifteen sources"
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