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And another crazy technology hater falls out of the wood work to join others in the stupid position that video games are the end of society.

Bill O’Reilly, political talk show host for Fox News recently blasted the PS3 and video games for destroying society on his podcast, Radio Factor. This whack job had the following to say about the influence of video games on society:

American society is changing for the worse because of the machines… In the past to flee the real world people usually chose drugs or alcohol… now you don’t have to do that, Now all you have to do is have enough money to buy a machine…

Basically what you have is a large portion of the population, mostly younger people under the age of 45, who don’t deal with reality - ever. So they don’t know what day it is; they don’t know temperature it is; they don’t know what their neighbor looks like. They don’t know anything… because they are constantly diverted by a machine. Now what this does is it takes a person away from reality because they’ve created their own reality…
 

He then went on to add his two cents about the PS3 launch:

The newest thing is the PlayStation 3. Now this is a machine that allows you to play games in hi-def and all this other stuff… It’s the newest state of the art system from Sony…. It has a video game console, plays DVDs, connects you to the Internet, and tells you how handsome you are. Its six-hundred bucks. Now people lined up for hours to get this thing. Hours!

 

O'Reilly even bashed the iPod, even though the hypocrite has his very own podcast which can be downloaded into an iPod:

I don’t own an iPod. I would never wear an iPod… If this is your primary focus in life - the machines… it’s going to have a staggeringly negative effect, all of this, for America… did you ever talk to these computer geeks? I mean, can you carry on a conversation with them? …I really fear for the United States because, believe me, the jihadists? They’re not playing the video games. They’re killing real people over there.

 

The only thing in the entire podcast that made any possible sense was the fact that video games can be an addiction for some which was talked about by Bois Olson from the National Institute on Media and the Family. Gaming addiction is real and it has even led to deaths in some extreme cases, but truthfully gaming addicts aren’t a huge problem like Bill seemed to think:

The problem with this stuff is that some people can deal with it constructively… but other people get addicted to it, just like opium, just like drugs and alcohol… So this is a big, big problem. It’s going to change every single thing in this country.

The have-nots are growing. Why are they growing? Because the skill set that is necessary to earn a decent living is being deemphasized in a fantasy world of football games and shooting zombies and all that…. Now you have the “knows” and the “know-nots”, because if you spend all your youth being prisoners of machines….. you’re not going to know anything…. You’re gonna fail.

 

The truth is this, Bill; Computer geeks are the people building the future of this world. They work for places like NASA, Microsoft, etc. They are what make it possible for you to appear on TV each day and have your stupid podcast available to download on people’s iPods. Don’t bash the very people that make it possible for your dumb show to appear on TV everyday, Bill.

And Bill, you support the troops, but you didn’t stop to think about how troops are training on video game battle simulators? How can something that better prepares a solider for battle be a bad thing?

As for the Jihadists not having video games and killing real people, well I’m sorry Americans are killing video game enemies instead of real people. I didn’t realize that was a bad thing. Maybe we should send a few thousand PS3s overseas to the enemy, and call them "Jihad simulators" so they’ll become addicted to "training" on the systems and stop killing people too, but wait... that would make video games useful and you don’t believe the machines can be useful to better the world.

In the end like many things that Bill O’Reilly runs his idiot mouth about, he’s failed to do his research on the subject and probably failed to even think before he opened his mouth.

Oh, and Bill, we have proof you once cared enough about video games to allow a report on Nintendo on your old show, Inside Edition.

 

 

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Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 06:14
Oni
The only good think about people like Bill O'Riley is that eventually, they will die. Weather it be old age or heart attack or crushed under their own egos, they will die.

Then, the younger generation takes over. Sure, we have to put up w/ troglodytes like this; people who absolutely refuse to evolve in any meaningful way, but eventually we won't have to anymore.

That's all that keeps me going some days.
Macaca's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 06:21
Macaca
Bill mentions gamers not taking part in reality.. but what is reality? Mister Bill's personal reality doesnt really compare to the everyday reality in the suburbs/cubicles/hood.

I also prefer machines and online chars above arrogant corporate twirps like mr Bill. Call me geek, but i cant stand the moral stink.
YARLY's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 06:25
YARLY
And this is different from TV... how?

O'Reilly has lost it.
Ballistic90's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 07:23
Ballistic90
Personally, I find that many books that have the author's face on it are self indulgent crap anyways.
Vyruz's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 07:45
Vyruz
O'rly?
uch, these guys are annoying.
ok, they think they have all the proof that videogames kill, but it's the people who play them.
those who die from them weren't good in their head, it's not the game's fault in anny way.
PKN's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 08:06
PKN
Didn't people used to read books to get out of the "real world"?
Dexter345's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 08:11
Dexter345
"Back in my day, we had to walk ten miles uphill in the snow just to score some hashish from our local dealer... These days, the kids just sit in their living rooms and play their gametapes and it's DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY."
GlitchCog's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 08:14
GlitchCog
The average age of a Bill O'Reilly viewer is 71 years old.
Korby's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 08:22
Korby
So what Bill O is saying is that we should all get shitfaced drunk, because doing that is WAY better than playing video games? BTW Bill, you know those TVs and radios and computers you use to fill people's heads with your drivel? Yeah, those are machines, and you depend on them. Douche.
bleep's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 09:09
bleep
"I had trouble with lincoln logs, remember those things, thats as far as I got."
Yes it is as far as you got Bill.....
ZeroTolo's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 09:27
ZeroTolo
I think Bill might have gotten a little too wrapped up in The Matrix trilogy. Or anything having to do with sentient AI for that matter. Like Maximum Overdrive maybe.

THE MACHINES ARE COMING!! DESTROY THEM BEFORE THEY DESTROY US!!!
Rezbit's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 09:32
Rezbit
LOL paranoid much? Jihadists? Opium? Prisoners of machines? Scary.
kamra's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 09:44
kamra
What are we so worried about? WE ARE THE FUTURE; not Bill O'Reilly.

So he thinks games are bad for society. FINE. I don't want him using any of the benefits of computers or cell phones. They're just as much machines as videogames are. The bottom line is BILL O'REILLY shouldn't make fun of things he doesn't understand.

In 30 years he'll be dead and we will still be playing.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 10:08
Tubatic
I've been told more than I ever wanted to know about Nuclear Warfare and the Cold War by a video game. Not to mention the fundamentals of management logic from just about every sim game ever. Call me pro-gaming and biased, but my understanding of a few things was either gained or better visualized by playing games.

O'Reilly fails. Nice hair :)
owen's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 10:16
owen
hes just doing what all the news casters are doing running with the hype
joepekula's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 10:35
joepekula
Haha the iPod hating is pretty funny, just because he's on a PodCast.
Ballistic90's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 10:35
Ballistic90
"Pants are the biggest threat to this nation since Communism! They restrict us! They enclose us! They remove our freedom!... of movment... They oppress us! Destroy the oppression! Free yourselves from the pants!"
Rosseh's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 11:26
Rosseh
People have always been detatched. People have always been socially recessive. The way they go about it is different as time goes on. Sort society's flaws out instead of blaming it on everything else. Not that anyone will ever do that of course, that would make too much sense and take too much effort. Scapegoats are so much easier than dealing with your problems...oh wait isn't that would Reily said? Nice one douchebag.
B__'s Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 11:46
B__
I agree with Rosseh. However, video games are more addictive than any drug. And they are used by and targeted towards children, who (mostly) have yet to develop self-discipline and don't yet understand what is in their best interest (long-term). This is, ultimately, a negative factor in our country- for our economy and our collective social condition. There can be arguments made that technology is good (which O'Reilly seems to miss) and video games can be great escapism when used in moderation (which O'Reilly does address) and even that the future of our economy will be based on these types of technologies themselves. But I do agree with O'Reilly w/r/t if our children are living less and less in reality, we are in trouble as a country. Think about it: what has been best for the economy has usually been best for the individual (i.e. getting a constructive job and making money). However, now video games have become so immersive (I think opium in China is a good parrallel- or even the lotus eaters in the Odyssey) that what is best for the individual- being relatively isolated and playing games all day and looking at porn- is not good for the economy.

Also, Faith- O'Reilly only uses the Jihad thing as an extreme example of how our social reality is not static and if we don't keep our shit together as a country, we are going to pay for it one way or the other.

I welcome responses, but none of you seem to understand the arguments O'Reilly makes. All you seem to hear is "I'm old and dumb and video games suck."
zsavior's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 11:51
zsavior
People like BIll O Reilly are intellectual bullies. They have found out that when it comes to their fist they will probably be bludgeoned to death. Thus they attempt to use their psuedo intellectual point of view to browbeat people into believing what they do. The best part about his statement is Bill O Reilly knows that is the type of niche Americans that he talks to, in order get his societal power.

Bill O Reilly speaks to the closed off American who doesn't know that the world is changing around them and doesn't care. He talks to the American that is desperately trying to hold on to their static middle American suburbian world not accepting that the 50s are gone and society has ivolved. His viewer doesn't care what happens to their child at school because, what ever happens to their children is not their fault Noooo it is video games, or rap music. Mr O Reily's audience only cares about getting their weekly dose of excuses he delievers to release them from having any responsibilty in or over their life. So poverty on the rise because your politicians aren't doing their job, don't worry that isn't your problem children today are lazy scum. America has become an enemy to the world, don't worry about it everybody else is wrong God loves us and only Us. Your child has become distant and disrespectfull, hey that is the videogames fault not yours.

Bill O Reily tells his viewers what to think about their surroundings, he tells them the tempreture, he gives them their information on how their neighborhoods and lives look. He is their escape from all the dirty complexities of American life. The idea of some other entertainment medium doing that scares the crap out of him so he demonizes it. Billy O Reilly knows that every week people are looking towards him for a scapegoat to leave what ever problem they have behind, and he provides each time. So who better to point out a group of escapist then Bill O Reily he knows from first hand experience.
phinehas's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 12:09
phinehas
The Middle East shouldn't be getting their PS3's until sometime next year.
OPTIMUS PRIME's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 12:19
OPTIMUS PRIME
I totally agree with B__. Instead of attacking Bill O'Reilly and his opinion, why not actually try to argue why he is wrong. Because that is a lot harder than just saying "Bill O'Reilly is noob."
Stratus's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 13:48
Stratus
I always like it when Keith Olbermann tears Bill apart on his show.
zsavior's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 15:22
zsavior
I will argue why BIll O Reily is wrong, he is wrong because he is blaming complicated societal problems on a game system. This never works, you can't blame drugs for the people willing to use them as an escape. You have to actually research the reason why people are so willing to harm themselves rather than face lifes problems. You have to actually ask the question where are the parents when these kids get hooked on drugs, or videogames, or alchol. Second he makes a broad standing judgement on all people, which only tells me he knows little about the community he is talking about. I mean the idea he pushing forth is technology is the problem not economics, not politicians, no how you spend your hard earned money on what makes you get through the day is the problem.

He has no proof nor basis for any of these commments, yet he makes them and passes it down to his sheepish viewer as if they are fact. Let me tell you something, you don't afford an IPOD sitting on your ass and doing nothing. IPods are used by people to get through their long ride to a boring job they have to endure to pay the cable bill, to watch his idiotic show. Why didn't he say, stop watching television, why didn't he talk about the price of cable going up? Because he knows where his bread and butter comes from. He took a jab as he always does, at the little guy, he took a jab at the consumer with no voice to fight back. Boondocks summed it up the best, if you care about violence and the well being of your children so much, then why do you go after videogame companies instead of Gun makers? The asnwer is obvious, go after some screwny guys making fake characters with imaginary weapons; or go after very real men with wads of cash and wearhouses full of live ammo and artillery? It is not hard to argue Bill O Reily there is just no point because his fans and himself will just laugh it off and call the nay says weak or lazy or both.

I mean look how well the drug war is going, yeah that has been a total victory. Once we told people to "JUST SAY NO" and busted the drug houses it all stopped at once! I mean it totally got rid of the need for drugs. No insteand we just saw the rise of pharmaceutical companies making legal drugs to exploit the same people who would have just used crack cocaine to escape, now popping prozac instead. You can't blame societies ills on their vices without some sort of explaination. Yet that is what he is doing in a nut shell.

Kids don't go outside not cause it is dangerous, but because they are hooked on the PS3. Kids are obsessed with material goods, not because their parents aren't at home, working millions of hours just to afford a humble home for them, but because of PS3. America's way of life is going down the tubes no cause we aren't handling the problems of, income disparities in society, racism, poverty, horrible health care, and a vanishing social security, but because of PLAYSTATION FREAKING 3. You see how asinine that sounds, while he brushes away actually problems in america he attacks the IPOD and the PS3 for its ills, and the younger generations need to escape reality and those problems. On another note I would like to see the demographic of the people that watch his show, bet its the same age group he didn't attack.

Last America was born and held up by its technological innovations, The Car, The Television, The Computer, and Yes the home videogame console, not to forget countless others from industrial Revolution in America. He spits in the face of the very technology that keeps this country going and strong. While never looking at any of the social problems tearing it down. Bill O Reily is just a modern day FlimFlam artist, using his "mircale" cures to treat very real societal illnesses. We usually chase charlatan's like this out of town with pitch forks and torches, I am just waiting for the angry mob to arrive.
B__'s Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 16:55
B__
Let me preface this by saying I am in no way a blanket supporter of O'Reilly and I definitely agreed with zsavior's earlier rant.

But I think you're still missing the point zsavior:

Firstly, obviously O'Reilly is making opinions seem like fact and not blaming TV; that's his job. But it doesn't make him necessarily wrong.

Secondly, addressing one aspect of a problem (i.e. video games) and ignoring the proximate or ultimate causation or results (i.e. parenting, politics, economics, etc.) are not mutally exclusive notions. Therefore, you aren't arguing his points at all, you are only arguing against the notion (mind you, an inference you made that state in the first sentence of the above soliloquy) that O'Reilly is blaming all the world's ills on video games.

As a side note, why should we go after video game companies OR gun makers?
Lezbro's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 17:16
Lezbro
Irony of ironies.

Which is more responsible for distorting reality and contributing to a dysfunctional social climate? Fox News or Grand Theft Auto.

How many actual (as opposed to pixelated virtual) humans killed by the O'Reilly supported "war" in Iraq? 3,000 Americans and a couple hundred thousand Iraqis.

Number killed by videogames: 1 television (by wiimote), 1 laptop (also by wiimote), and zero humans.

And then the final irony is that the same "support our troops" talking heads like O'Reilly who crap on videogames won't call out the US Army for using America's Army as a recruiting tool.

Do guys like O'Reilly even know up from down anymore?

And does O'Reilly even know what his own company produces?

Fox Interactive
http://games.ign.com/objects/025/025027.html

See any blood-and-guts titles on that list? A few.

In addition, Rupert Murdoch's holdings include everything from porn to weapons sales. What a sad, sick joke.
Lezbro's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 17:22
Lezbro
America is spreading depleted uranium all over Iraq and we're here at home debating (with Bill O'Reilly no less) whether Dig Dug contributes to school shootings.

WTF?!
Lezbro's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 17:27
Lezbro
*cough*loofah*cough*
deiga-the-semivaliant's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 17:43
deiga-the-semivaliant
Funny thing is, I'm pretty sure when we're old coots, there will be something those young whipper snappers are doing that will piss us off too.

Everything works in a circle, folks. One day we'll be the Bill O'Reillys.
B__'s Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 19:42
B__
Lezbro,
Say what you will about Fox, Murdoch and O'Reilly as hypocrites, but the points still stand. More importantly, you're missing the point, nearly entirely. The issue is not a changing "social climate", school shootings, some Luddite need to return to a "Leave it to Beaver" lifestyle or the war in Iraq, it's simply that video games are ultimately giving kids less incentive to work (i.e. studying, setting long-term goals) to ultimately become constructive (i.e. have a useful skill-set and get a good job and help our economy) members of society.

I love this shit.
Lezbro's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 20:47
Lezbro
B, the US is anti-intellectual. It always has been. Yes, even before television, blogs, or videogames. The reason kids do not value knowledge, and by extension formal education is because their parents and their grandparents as well as their teachers and our greater culture as a whole likewise do not value same. If you want your kid to read, then read yourself. If you want your child to turn off the TV, you'd better turn it off yourself. If you want your child to be moral, be moral. If you want your child to be athletic, you'd better be athletic as well. If you want your child to eat right, you eat right.

America likes to lecture.

Like a lot.

Lecture their children. Lecture the rest of the world.

Videogames are not malevolent or soul-sucking. It's just another activity. And children inclined to be lazy or violent will find an expression of that whether videogames are present or not. Give a child nothing but a stick and they'll fashion it into some kind of weapon if that is their mindset.
Lezbro's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 20:56
Lezbro
By the way... number of people killed each year by automobiles?

About 43,000.

Number of people killed by videogames?

3.

5.

10, if you stretch it.

Of course, the real number is zero.

Number of people killed by wolves, bears, or sharks?

0.

Number of people killed by volcanoes?

0.

The media is a joke.

If you follow the corporate press, you'll be lead to believe that America is under siege from pedophiles, sharks, videogame assassins, and gangstas.

43,000 killed each year, but no "sane" America would give up their automobile, nor would the corporate press focus on that number because most television, radio, magazines, and newspapers garner a majority of their ad revenue from car or car-related businesses.

This whole videogame argument is silly.
OPTIMUS PRIME's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 21:42
OPTIMUS PRIME
Lezbro, you are so far off base it's amusing. You are talking about "How many people are killed from video games" when nobody even said they kill people in the first place. What was/is being said is that video games are causing some kids (not all) to not develop the necessary skills for dealing with real world problems and that has a negative effect on them and society. You just bring meaningless facts to the table that have nothing to do with anything being discussed.
Making a blanket statement that America as a whole is anti-intellectual is just plain ridiculous as well. Did you go to college? If you did, then you would know that there are plenty of students there that are trying to acquire the knowledge to better themselves and make a decent living. That doesn't seem anti-intellectual to me. Not only that, they go to college despite the fact that most of their parent/grandparents did not.
On another note, its not just O'Reilly that supports the Iraq war, plenty of other Americans support the war too. You shouldn't believe that media you were so quick to condemn for not focusing on automobile related deaths because its bad business for them.
Elijahz's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 21:58
Elijahz
Booo O'Reilly, booo. Fear Tactics inc. These media watchdog groups really have figured out the magicians tricks. Look here! Look here! While they put it to us somewhere else. Boo is all I have to say. Boo power hungry fools. Boo. What were we talking about? Oh yea, mmmmm, videogames. haha.
Elijahz's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 22:09
Elijahz
Oh yea, and fyi sharks do kill. They have sharp teeth and can sense a mammal from miles away. O'Reilly needs to tell the world about this epidemic!
Lezbro's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2006 01:28
Lezbro
Fox News and O'Reilly are paid to manufacture false memes, like the War on Christmas, Violent Videogames, and the Many Atrocities of Thug Rap. These are puppet shows trotted out to distract. They have no relevance. Only as much energy as we give them. AIDS, global climate change, the invasion of Iraq. These are stories that impact all humans.

You have exactly the same odds of being mauled by a shark/wolf/bear/cougar/gangsta rapper mutant hybrid in your tub as being killed by a Violent Videogamer.
Lezbro's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2006 01:30
Lezbro
By the way... why HASN'T the War on Christmas been made into a videogame?

I'd buy.
djomg's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2006 04:18
djomg
Yeah i'd buy that!
Sam Fisher could be back at the north pole... and take out a few elf guards before breeching the toy-ridden compound.
Will he take out Santa?
Or help him deliver all the gifts?
That's entirely up to YOU!
plus a minigame where you have to pee your name in the snow.

"did you ever talk to these computer geeks? I mean, can you carry on a conversation with them?"
-Has anyone ever seen bill O's version of a "conversation"? It's him interrupting a person he just asked a question.

Here's my favorite:
"They don’t know anything… because they are constantly diverted by a machine. Now what this does is it takes a person away from reality because they’ve created their own reality…"
-Sound like anyone we know, BILL? maybe over at FOX "NUBZ"?

I can excuse a cranky old man, but cranky old, and stupid?
My vote for Douche puddle of the week.
Im OK's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/23/2006 17:54
Im OK
Wait... people still listen to Bill O'Reilly?
deanhatescoffee's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/11/2006 11:01
deanhatescoffee
He had trouble with Lincoln Logs? For crap's sake...
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