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What is that, 'Super-ted'? 'Super-bear?', I'm sure I watched a few episodes of that as a kid.
And Bethesda just seem to be getting lazy, but then again who that's interested in Skyrim hasn't already bought it?
And Bethesda just seem to be getting lazy, but then again who that's interested in Skyrim hasn't already bought it?
Wow, Skyrim map/menu on the second screen makes so much sense that I want to play that version right now, and I've already put 100+ hours into Skyrim. Bravo, Jim.
Well we're talking about a developer who can't even figure out how to make games work on a 5 year old system like the PS3, it doesn't surprise me they're hesistant to try and get stuff to work on brand-new consoles.
Making games is hard, kids.
Making games is hard, kids.
Where does Nintendo get off making new consoles, anyways?
The 360 and the PS3 have always worked fine for Microsoft and Sony as long as I can remember! (And that's at least a week or two!) You don't see them coming out with new hardware every five years or so!
The 360 and the PS3 have always worked fine for Microsoft and Sony as long as I can remember! (And that's at least a week or two!) You don't see them coming out with new hardware every five years or so!
Bethesda will never be able to develop games on any future console when they cannot even get a grasp on the ps3. They barely have a grasp on the 360, and PC mods have to fix their game for them. This will be the downfall of Bethesda, and not one fuck will be given.
Also I would advise they invest in a QA team. I'm assuming they don't have one.
Also I would advise they invest in a QA team. I'm assuming they don't have one.
Having the pipboy on the mini screen while playing????
Having the motion tracker on the mini screen???
Lookit, I want to like the Wii U but it sounds like it going to be a rehash of the DS. What do most devs do with that extra screen? Something uninspired, dull, and usually the most logical filler they can come up with.
If the Wii U is really gonna make a splash devs need to up their game. DO something revolutionary to gameplay with the little screen dammit! If it's just going to be a fucking map, or inventory, or football plays, etc Fuck off.
Having the motion tracker on the mini screen???
Lookit, I want to like the Wii U but it sounds like it going to be a rehash of the DS. What do most devs do with that extra screen? Something uninspired, dull, and usually the most logical filler they can come up with.
If the Wii U is really gonna make a splash devs need to up their game. DO something revolutionary to gameplay with the little screen dammit! If it's just going to be a fucking map, or inventory, or football plays, etc Fuck off.
I also find it so fucking hilarious how Bethesda can't master the ps3. Think of all the other 3rd party devs who have done it.
I bet CDprojeckt's(sp?) first ps3 game will be less buggier than any Bethesda game.
I bet CDprojeckt's(sp?) first ps3 game will be less buggier than any Bethesda game.
Others beat me to it. I wouldn't trust Bethesda with Wii U.
As great as a version of Skyrim with WiiPad support would be for world maps and dungeon maps, they can't hack it on new platforms they adopt.
Last gen the ports to Xbox were sloppy.
Now the PS3 ports are sloppy.
I love their games, but I'm going to err on the side of caution for now and stick with Xbox or PC for such games. They are however, free to take a stab at Vita or 3DS version of Morrowind. that would be nice. That game's like ten years old now, so they couldn't possibly screw that up, right?
Just give it to those guys that ported Oblivion.
As great as a version of Skyrim with WiiPad support would be for world maps and dungeon maps, they can't hack it on new platforms they adopt.
Last gen the ports to Xbox were sloppy.
Now the PS3 ports are sloppy.
I love their games, but I'm going to err on the side of caution for now and stick with Xbox or PC for such games. They are however, free to take a stab at Vita or 3DS version of Morrowind. that would be nice. That game's like ten years old now, so they couldn't possibly screw that up, right?
Just give it to those guys that ported Oblivion.
"Blah blah blah haven't even mastered the PS3 yet, chuckle chuckle! LOOK AT WHAT I DID"
Now on to legitimate commentary. Honestly, I'm surprised Bethesda doesn't see the benefit of being the only player on a new console. Oblivion was basically the only good 360 game for like a year there, and I remember multiple 360-owning friends commenting on that. Basically everyone I knew with a 360 bought that shit up.
Compare this with enthusiasm for current gens.. which is almost entirely bankrupt.
Still, I get that Nintendo's console probably isn't the best home for Bethesda's games. I just wonder how long it will take Sony and Microsoft to realize that the next gen is basically an economic imperative as of late 2012.
Now on to legitimate commentary. Honestly, I'm surprised Bethesda doesn't see the benefit of being the only player on a new console. Oblivion was basically the only good 360 game for like a year there, and I remember multiple 360-owning friends commenting on that. Basically everyone I knew with a 360 bought that shit up.
Compare this with enthusiasm for current gens.. which is almost entirely bankrupt.
Still, I get that Nintendo's console probably isn't the best home for Bethesda's games. I just wonder how long it will take Sony and Microsoft to realize that the next gen is basically an economic imperative as of late 2012.
Wii U controller could potentially be nice for sorting through the inventory, but besides that, I don't see the burning hunger that people have for all of these year old games being ported to the Wii U. I guess it's always nice to have more options, but are there really THAT many destructoid users that don't have a 360/PS3/PC?
@killias2
"Oblivion was basically the only good 360 game for like a year there, and I remember multiple 360-owning friends commenting on that."
This is legitimate commentary? Sounds more like a tub of bull to me.
"Oblivion was basically the only good 360 game for like a year there, and I remember multiple 360-owning friends commenting on that."
This is legitimate commentary? Sounds more like a tub of bull to me.
I call bullshit on all those reasons. Lack of solidified infrastructure and an install base that has to build itself up did not stop Bethesda from announcing Oblivion as a launch title for the 360. It was delayed a few months, sure, but launch was the company's target. Where were these concerns when the 360 was coming around?
Bethesda have a working relationship with Sony and Microsoft already for their consoles, I think it's entirely reasonable that they'd be wary of adding support to Nintendo's new machine given how barren Nintendo consoles have been in terms of third party support for the last 6-7 years. I know I wouldn't just jump straight in, let them prove themselves first. Pretty sound tactic.
"This is legitimate commentary? Sounds more like a tub of bull to me."
haha, okay, it was exaggeration. By some margin.
Still, with Oblivion, Bethesda really went with the "Big fish in a small pond" strategy, and it worked out fairly well. That's all I was trying to say.
haha, okay, it was exaggeration. By some margin.
Still, with Oblivion, Bethesda really went with the "Big fish in a small pond" strategy, and it worked out fairly well. That's all I was trying to say.
I think what he's trying to say is, they're already in the midst of developing games, and that the Wii U gamepad makes straight ports difficult? If so, I can understand that. Seems like most of the devs currently working on porting their games for Wii U launch don't really know what to do with the thing yet (looking at you, Rocksteady).
Nintendo should make it easy for developers to port/develop iOS and Android games on Wii U. I think gamers are tires of rigid standard set by console manufacturers, and they want to play new types of games. At that point it won't matter what Bethesda thinks. We'd have Zelda, Mario, Temple Run, and tons of other cool games on one system. Too bad the WiiU screen isn't multitouch though. That's kind of a blunder as far as I'm concerned.
Truth.... I didn't feel that the tablet / joystick thing was all that good to begin with... but the ability to have fast travel, or even quicker spell selection.... that actually would have been enough for me to buy a weeeeeyouuuu
"For me the problems with new consoles are two-fold. The developers are trying to hit a moving technical target, because the platforms are being built. A new console doesn't just show up a year before launch and is exactly what it will be when it comes out. It moves and iterates along the way. And introducing something like that to games that are in development is always a bit tricky. And that is obviously an element of risk."
So I guess Oblivion being a launch game for the 360 was just an err in judgment?
So I guess Oblivion being a launch game for the 360 was just an err in judgment?
I have no idea why anyone would be offended or outraged at this. He's just talking about the hypothetical difficulties a working developer has at the end/beginning of a generation. Where should their time and effort go? When will specifications be stable, and how does that date impact deadlines? We're also talking about a developer who typically works on massive projects that take years to complete and require thousands of hours of labor and massive amounts of planning. This stuff isn't done on the fly. Everything he said sounds pretty legitimate to me, and most developers are probably asking themselves the same questions. Do we devote resources now, or wait until our next project?
I have no idea why anyone would be offended or outraged at this. He's just talking about the hypothetical difficulties a working developer has at the end/beginning of a generation. Where should their time and effort go? When will specifications be stable, and how does that date impact deadlines? We're also talking about a developer who typically works on massive projects that take years to complete and require thousands of hours of labor and massive amounts of planning. This stuff isn't done on the fly. Everything he said sounds pretty legitimate to me, and most developers are probably asking themselves the same questions. Do we devote resources now, or wait until our next project?
Super Ted and Spotty, fun memories.
I remember something about there being a secret word or soż And an idiot who belongs to the bad guys finding it, but not remembering what it was or so.
I remember something about there being a secret word or soż And an idiot who belongs to the bad guys finding it, but not remembering what it was or so.
That's probably for the best. Bethesda hasn't even learned how to properly develop for 3 platforms. I dread to think what could happen if they had to divide their focus between 4 platforms!
Bethesda hardly manages 2 consoles besides the pc so it will truly self destruct if it tries another console
I don't think the WiiU is powerful enough to handle something like Skyrim. So far we've seen mediocre graphics and low frame rates. Nobody is saying it, but the Wii U is just not technically up to snuff. It's another low powered Nintendo system.
They could easily put out a Game of the Year edition with all the existing (and preferably next) DLC expansions in it, I'm sure Nintendo made a console easy enough for even BETHESDA to port games to...
As everyone has said, stick the map and inventory on the controller screen.
Not only would they be the first big RPG on the system, they'd rake in new fans who didn't care about Elder Scrolls in the first place. They did this EXACT thing with the 360 at launch.
And FOR ONCE...
THEY COULD RELEASE A VERSION OF ONE OF THEIR GAME THAT ISN'T AN UNOPTIMIZED, BUGGY PIECE OF CRAP FROM THE START. Nice thought isn't it?
Elder Scrolls isn't as good as many seem to think it is, but regardless it would be a VERY good decision to stick it on Wii U for everyone involved.
As everyone has said, stick the map and inventory on the controller screen.
Not only would they be the first big RPG on the system, they'd rake in new fans who didn't care about Elder Scrolls in the first place. They did this EXACT thing with the 360 at launch.
And FOR ONCE...
THEY COULD RELEASE A VERSION OF ONE OF THEIR GAME THAT ISN'T AN UNOPTIMIZED, BUGGY PIECE OF CRAP FROM THE START. Nice thought isn't it?
Elder Scrolls isn't as good as many seem to think it is, but regardless it would be a VERY good decision to stick it on Wii U for everyone involved.
Someone needs to hijack all of Bethesda's world artists and place them in a studio with actual talent.
Nothing for nothing, but the PS3, 360 and PC hardly "fit into" its plans either, with the way their games end up coming out on them. So this shouldn't really surprise anyone at all.
@Tony
Your completely right. And, honestly, even getting pushed back a few months, Oblivion was still in at the "launch window", considering no one ever relegates "launch" to mean EXACTLY the day the thing comes out, any more. They still met their goes, even with a delay.
@Andy
Yeah, but even if that was the case they could say "screw the pad, just port the game," but either Nintendo isn't going to allow them to do such a thing, because Nintendo needs 3rd parties to do like they did with the Wii and focus on the gimmick (and alienate them because of that), or Bethesda just can't possibly port a game to the system because -pretty much like anyone else would call them out on- they have a shit-poor track record of bring any game out, anywhere, period, without massive issues, let alone a brand new platform.
Your completely right. And, honestly, even getting pushed back a few months, Oblivion was still in at the "launch window", considering no one ever relegates "launch" to mean EXACTLY the day the thing comes out, any more. They still met their goes, even with a delay.
@Andy
Yeah, but even if that was the case they could say "screw the pad, just port the game," but either Nintendo isn't going to allow them to do such a thing, because Nintendo needs 3rd parties to do like they did with the Wii and focus on the gimmick (and alienate them because of that), or Bethesda just can't possibly port a game to the system because -pretty much like anyone else would call them out on- they have a shit-poor track record of bring any game out, anywhere, period, without massive issues, let alone a brand new platform.
@MrFloppyknickers
Rehash of the greatest, and one of the more unique, not to mention one of the most profitable, gaming experiences since the industry first took off?
Yeah, I'm sure that will be awful.
Rehash of the greatest, and one of the more unique, not to mention one of the most profitable, gaming experiences since the industry first took off?
Yeah, I'm sure that will be awful.
@Dr-Peace, "I'm sure Nintendo made a console easy enough for even BETHESDA to port games to... "
What makes you think that? Nintendo isnt exactly known for support 3rd party very well, and afaik theres been no developers commenting on how easy it actually is to develop for.
What makes you think that? Nintendo isnt exactly known for support 3rd party very well, and afaik theres been no developers commenting on how easy it actually is to develop for.
"However, with the Wii U not too far removed from the PS3 and Xbox 360, it seems odd that Hines would be so wary of it."
Not necessarily. Sounds to me like Bethesda wants to move on, they've been in PS3/Xbox mode for seven years now. Epic, Square Enix and Crytek are all feeling the same way apparently.
I think Bethesda's first order of business though needs to be firing their QA team.
Not necessarily. Sounds to me like Bethesda wants to move on, they've been in PS3/Xbox mode for seven years now. Epic, Square Enix and Crytek are all feeling the same way apparently.
I think Bethesda's first order of business though needs to be firing their QA team.
According to vigil games it takes literally TWO lines of code to get a game running on the tablet and graphically general consensus is that wiiu is up to snuff. Bethesda just don want to draw more critism to themselves, particularly from the infamously fanboyish nintendo gamers
Their comments make sense, but I wonder how much of what they mean is unspoken.
As an English person, Nintendo and other developers have made it bloody hard for many of us to find copies of games. Trying to track down a copy of Xenoblade Chronicles (or at least within respectable price range) the last few weeks was a fine example.
I think there are a number of reasons Nintendo fail their third-party developers on, and this is just one of them. I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is more the case.
As an English person, Nintendo and other developers have made it bloody hard for many of us to find copies of games. Trying to track down a copy of Xenoblade Chronicles (or at least within respectable price range) the last few weeks was a fine example.
I think there are a number of reasons Nintendo fail their third-party developers on, and this is just one of them. I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is more the case.
What he says is that Bethesda will wait to first see how many people buy the WiiU,and how many much third party games sell on WiiU.
Which is reasonable for them to do,because Wii's third party games didn't sold good. None third party game actually sold on WiiU more than 1 million copies,while games that where released on many platforms suffered from Wii sales. If a third party game sells 6 million copies on Xbox360,5 million copies on PS3,3 million copies on PC,and 400,000 copies on Wii, I can see why Bethesda or any other developer for that matter would be cautious with WiiU.
Which is reasonable for them to do,because Wii's third party games didn't sold good. None third party game actually sold on WiiU more than 1 million copies,while games that where released on many platforms suffered from Wii sales. If a third party game sells 6 million copies on Xbox360,5 million copies on PS3,3 million copies on PC,and 400,000 copies on Wii, I can see why Bethesda or any other developer for that matter would be cautious with WiiU.
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