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It's pretty simple, Bethesda guy.
As P.T. Barnum once said: "there's a sucker born every minute".
Farmville = online carnival games.
The carrot on a stick principle is such a cash cow - entice the client (or user) into something seemingly attainable, then tell them "but you can get MORE [if you pay/play more]".
Online games are geniuses at this - charge a premium for "Farm Bucks" so you can get the latest, greatest, "pesticide shack" or whatever, then two months later, charge even more for the "ULTIMATE PESTICIDE SHACK": then the "GOLDEN PESTICIDE SHACK", then state in the EULA that you don't get to keep it once the servers shut down to cover their asses. Brilliant.
As P.T. Barnum once said: "there's a sucker born every minute".
Farmville = online carnival games.
The carrot on a stick principle is such a cash cow - entice the client (or user) into something seemingly attainable, then tell them "but you can get MORE [if you pay/play more]".
Online games are geniuses at this - charge a premium for "Farm Bucks" so you can get the latest, greatest, "pesticide shack" or whatever, then two months later, charge even more for the "ULTIMATE PESTICIDE SHACK": then the "GOLDEN PESTICIDE SHACK", then state in the EULA that you don't get to keep it once the servers shut down to cover their asses. Brilliant.
He also doesn't 'get' FaceBook games because they involve actual human interaction or emotion.
He'd do well to adjust that attitude and recognize that a FaceBook based version of The capital Wasteland or Cyrodilwould not only be one of the best things to ever hit the internet but it might help Bethesda to recover from that whole WET fiasco.
He'd do well to adjust that attitude and recognize that a FaceBook based version of The capital Wasteland or Cyrodilwould not only be one of the best things to ever hit the internet but it might help Bethesda to recover from that whole WET fiasco.
You know, we don't have to embrace or even play farmville type games just because they exist, and are video games. In much the same way you don't need to play dynasty warriors, or braid, or DOTA... Bethesda is good at making epic RPGs, not social networking games. If he 'gets' it and figures out a way to make an elder scrolls game for facebook that doesn't involve spamming your friends for help, I'd probably play it.
Maybe He just Doesnt Get it cause he just Doesnt get it period.....nothing more nothing less. I dont want to play facebook games cause I dont want to get lost into that world :3
It's nothing more than the human compulsion and a poor understanding of how facebook works.
*Someone threw a sheep at you. Throw one back?*
Anyone with a basic knowledge of how Facebook works, knows this was sent from a "throw a sheep at a hundred of your friends to get a free horse!" setup. That person 9with a basic knowledge) will simply ignore.
However there are a large number, in the millions, of Facebook users who don't, who think "Oh no, that real person that i know in real life will be upset if i don't throw a sheep back!" - clicks throw one back.
Then, said fuckwit will be hit with an "add sheep throwing page to your facebook to continue" screen and will add the app, alongside the million other pointless apps they have on there.
Said fuckwit will then be asked to throw a sheep at 100 friends in order to get a free donkey, and 100 people are back at the start of the loop, hopefully enough of them smart enough to hit that oh-so-glorious "IGNORE" button.
Somewhere along the cycle people want to get ahead of their friends without actually throwing fucking animals at every single person they've ever met, and will apparently part with real money to do so. - Something I will never ever understand.
It would be nice to see a comparison of people who pay real monsy for stuff on Facebook games and people who join "OMG They're going to start charging for Facebook!!! join this group to stop them!!!!" groups. Anyone who crosses both criteria should be removed from the digital generation for good.
i mean killed. Painfully.
Two rules for Facebook...
1) IGNORE is your friend, ignore everything that you don't actively want.
2) They will not charge for facebook they make a killing by putting targetted adverts in front of you all day.
*Someone threw a sheep at you. Throw one back?*
Anyone with a basic knowledge of how Facebook works, knows this was sent from a "throw a sheep at a hundred of your friends to get a free horse!" setup. That person 9with a basic knowledge) will simply ignore.
However there are a large number, in the millions, of Facebook users who don't, who think "Oh no, that real person that i know in real life will be upset if i don't throw a sheep back!" - clicks throw one back.
Then, said fuckwit will be hit with an "add sheep throwing page to your facebook to continue" screen and will add the app, alongside the million other pointless apps they have on there.
Said fuckwit will then be asked to throw a sheep at 100 friends in order to get a free donkey, and 100 people are back at the start of the loop, hopefully enough of them smart enough to hit that oh-so-glorious "IGNORE" button.
Somewhere along the cycle people want to get ahead of their friends without actually throwing fucking animals at every single person they've ever met, and will apparently part with real money to do so. - Something I will never ever understand.
It would be nice to see a comparison of people who pay real monsy for stuff on Facebook games and people who join "OMG They're going to start charging for Facebook!!! join this group to stop them!!!!" groups. Anyone who crosses both criteria should be removed from the digital generation for good.
i mean killed. Painfully.
Two rules for Facebook...
1) IGNORE is your friend, ignore everything that you don't actively want.
2) They will not charge for facebook they make a killing by putting targetted adverts in front of you all day.
@Telephis
FUCK yes - I believe 10 million people SPEND real money on Farmville. That's not including people who will potentially pay down the line, after saturating their farm with things they can get for free.
At that point, they're addicted.
FUCK yes - I believe 10 million people SPEND real money on Farmville. That's not including people who will potentially pay down the line, after saturating their farm with things they can get for free.
At that point, they're addicted.
@bigmoose
I assume your calling halo a buggy piece of shit? You were just on another story defending mw2 correct? Kettle meet pot:)
I assume your calling halo a buggy piece of shit? You were just on another story defending mw2 correct? Kettle meet pot:)
@ Jim
"It's pretty arrogant to simply assume your love for a game is more legitimate than somebody else's..."
Are you talking in general or about Howard? I agree generally speaking, and have often defended casual games even though I don't really play them.
But I didn't get any arrogance at all from Howard - if that's what you were implying. All because he doesn't get it doesn't mean he's arrogant.
"It's pretty arrogant to simply assume your love for a game is more legitimate than somebody else's..."
Are you talking in general or about Howard? I agree generally speaking, and have often defended casual games even though I don't really play them.
But I didn't get any arrogance at all from Howard - if that's what you were implying. All because he doesn't get it doesn't mean he's arrogant.
X1251
Excuse me princess. Who the f%#k took a shit in your cheerios??? I think oblivion and fallout 3 were both pretty well received by the gaming community. Take a Xanax and try not to stroke out over a honest mistake.
Excuse me princess. Who the f%#k took a shit in your cheerios??? I think oblivion and fallout 3 were both pretty well received by the gaming community. Take a Xanax and try not to stroke out over a honest mistake.
I called him out on calling other games buggy yet defending a "buggy piece of shit" his words. You sir (1251) are a tool who is incable of reading comprehension. Have a fun filled day sunshine. Also if you'll notice he is the one who made the first buggy piece of shot comment. Neither oblivion or fall out 3 were mentioned while.....wait for it. Halo was. Pretty honest mistake. It's gonna be a long fall from that soapbox 1251.
I love you 1251. I apologize for my blatant ignorance:( I didn't mean to upset anyone. I hope at some point you can find it in your heart to forgive this unacceptable mistake.
Also dick I read the article!! Jim mentioned halo. Bigmoose didn't mention any game. He said "farmville isn't a buggy piece of shit". I misunderstood his comment I apologize to him not you. Your an ass. Also 1+1=2.
Again I misunderstood bigmoose u weren't real clear on your first comment and I apologize. 1251 is a rude prick though.
Farmville isn't a game... if you want to get technical about it a game has to be some kind of challenge and result in a win/lose scenario. It's for people who are like, "I love having a schedule driven day, but tasks and interactions more complicated than clicking a mouse hundreds of times are too demanding."
Maybe I'm just old-fashioned but there are some kinds of games where I'd rather do the real thing... I'd rather play sports for real instead of on a console, I feel the same way about dating, and gardening, playing with animals, pretty much if it's not gonna kill anyone I don't get why you'd make a simulation of it.
It's funny this is coming from Bethesda though, considering how they dumbed down Morrowind. Oblivion is the Retard Edition of Elder Scrolls... no matter where you go the enemies will get their kneecaps shot out so they can't kill your character. Oh yeah and no flying. Epic adventures are about heroes performing mundane actions to overcome moderate odds, right?
Maybe I'm just old-fashioned but there are some kinds of games where I'd rather do the real thing... I'd rather play sports for real instead of on a console, I feel the same way about dating, and gardening, playing with animals, pretty much if it's not gonna kill anyone I don't get why you'd make a simulation of it.
It's funny this is coming from Bethesda though, considering how they dumbed down Morrowind. Oblivion is the Retard Edition of Elder Scrolls... no matter where you go the enemies will get their kneecaps shot out so they can't kill your character. Oh yeah and no flying. Epic adventures are about heroes performing mundane actions to overcome moderate odds, right?
I tried Farmville and I didn't like it either. I mean I get the gameplay and how people might want to "play" it but it's just not my cup of tea. I loved Fallout 3 however, that was an awesome game.
I stopped having a problem with farmville once I learned how to wipe it's stain from my wall permanently.
@bigmoose85
I played through Oblivion and Fallout 3 with the official patches only, and the games were FAR from "Buggy pieces of shit". They were both very enjoyable and your "clever" statement that a game designed to get people addicted to it is successful only because it isn't buggy, just screams that you're an idiot/troll.
I played through Oblivion and Fallout 3 with the official patches only, and the games were FAR from "Buggy pieces of shit". They were both very enjoyable and your "clever" statement that a game designed to get people addicted to it is successful only because it isn't buggy, just screams that you're an idiot/troll.
@ Bigmoose85,
"Your" should be "you're" and "to" should be too.
Calling people stupid and yet sounding like one of the most ignorant rejects anyone could come across just seems to send mixed signals, you know? You should clean that up a bit.
Do me next, though would you? Call me some names. Make me feel bad about myself BigMoose. You're such an amazing guy. Your opinion carries more weight because you're a grumpy ol' piece of shit, so I'll be waiting to hear from you.
"Your" should be "you're" and "to" should be too.
Calling people stupid and yet sounding like one of the most ignorant rejects anyone could come across just seems to send mixed signals, you know? You should clean that up a bit.
Do me next, though would you? Call me some names. Make me feel bad about myself BigMoose. You're such an amazing guy. Your opinion carries more weight because you're a grumpy ol' piece of shit, so I'll be waiting to hear from you.
Farmville is a scam based off of a portion of MMO RPGs called the "Money Pit". Its just a place to spend extra amounts of money for an optional reward
I'd say they were buggy but definitely not "pieces of shit". Most of the bugs reflected certain areas or quests. For it to meet the buggy piece of shit status it's probably have to be neigh unplayable which simply isn't so.
Oh please stop Jim! You are going to make me cry! I mean... really?? This is very disappointing of you. Defending Facebook games. Wow.
As for Farmville, I've never played the game, but it wouldn't surprise me if I enjoyed it.
I've been a Harvest Moon fan before and there's some fun to be had in Animal Crossing. Also, my current guilty pleasure is Minecraft, which has some elements of farming.
I don't think you can write off an entire format for gaming just because you don't like farms.
I've been a Harvest Moon fan before and there's some fun to be had in Animal Crossing. Also, my current guilty pleasure is Minecraft, which has some elements of farming.
I don't think you can write off an entire format for gaming just because you don't like farms.
That guy really has no clue how to make games except graphically, I would not expect any thing "new" that going to be completely mind blowing from this studio.
If you paid attention to most of their games the all seem to be running of the Oblivion engine or an engine that uses most of the same concepts of it.
Frankly they are on my bad side too because they don't support the wii just because its not as powerful as other systems.
If you paid attention to most of their games the all seem to be running of the Oblivion engine or an engine that uses most of the same concepts of it.
Frankly they are on my bad side too because they don't support the wii just because its not as powerful as other systems.
I'm addicted to FaceBook enough as it is! I'm afraid how it would be if I play any of those games:/....I would NEVER leave my house :(.
Plus I don't wanna spam everyone's wall
Plus I don't wanna spam everyone's wall
It's simple Todd...
These casual games are not of the substance that any tride and true gamer of our age group sees as anything worthwhile. This is a game for grandma in a retirement home.
Games like Fallout have more draw to the likes of us. Granted, they do make money, but your core audience is with your same interest in RPG's and shooters.
These casual games are not of the substance that any tride and true gamer of our age group sees as anything worthwhile. This is a game for grandma in a retirement home.
Games like Fallout have more draw to the likes of us. Granted, they do make money, but your core audience is with your same interest in RPG's and shooters.
There are just too many games/movies/books/TV shows out there for me to bother with Facebook games. Adding something like Farmville into my schedule would just be too much. I'm already thinking of getting back into WoW with my friend and thats going to take up a ton of time. Plus i'm already discouraged based on the non real time nature of posting stuff on peoples walls for them to grab. It's messy and really more about making your farm look pretty.
I played Mafia Wars (by Zynga creators of Farmville) for several months. Basically it is like a carnival skill game, you think that you are going to beat the house by playing wisely and finding the weaknesses in the game and eventually manage 100% completion. Only the game is constantly being changed by Zynga, areas that are too easy to complete are made more difficult, item combinations that give you an advantage are removed and new tasks to complete are constantly being added. So you feel like you are always nearing completion if you could just get a little more done, if you just had one more sheep. In Mafia Wars at least you are given in-game dollars at a very slow rate as a result of free-play so you get to feel what is would be like if you spent real money. You get to be able to click the button that instantly boosts your completion percentage once in a while and then after that it sits there mocking you saying if you just gave your credit card information you could easily win the game.
Facebook games are just time wasters to me. I much rather invest/waste my time in a full retail game.
My main issue with facebook games is that it has killed real PC gaming.
PC gaming has been hurting for a long time, in large part due to the fact that very few people understand PC requirements and specifications. Go on Amazon and read any PC game's reviews. There will be more than one person on the front page, complaining about how the game didn't work because their computer is ten years old or they bought a $300 PC with no graphics card.
Go to Wal-Mart or Target, and half of the PC gaming section is going to be cards for Farmville, Neopets, or Gaia. Half of any actual games that these stores might sell (not fake money cards for 'free' games), are going to be largely 'I Spy' type games or simple puzzles that are priced at $30.
Facebook games, and casual PC games in general pander to people who have no understanding of how technology works, or why video game are beautiful. Most people also have no concept of why paying $20 for a fake money card to buy a tree drawn in Flash is ridiculous.
The non-gaming audience is larger than the gaming audience. From a business stand point, it makes sense to sell games that are essentially superficial extensions of facebook. Unfortunately, we are going to see this kind of sales attitude migrate to real gaming, as we already have; where we are sold small piece of a product over the course of years, that amounts to something far greater than simply purchasing a standard video game.
Personally, I'm glad that most video game companies still view gaming as some kind of art form or interactive blockbuster, and have little desire to screw a good thing up. I'm sure Activision will come out with some slapped together free game that people can buy fake money for soon enough though.
PC gaming has been hurting for a long time, in large part due to the fact that very few people understand PC requirements and specifications. Go on Amazon and read any PC game's reviews. There will be more than one person on the front page, complaining about how the game didn't work because their computer is ten years old or they bought a $300 PC with no graphics card.
Go to Wal-Mart or Target, and half of the PC gaming section is going to be cards for Farmville, Neopets, or Gaia. Half of any actual games that these stores might sell (not fake money cards for 'free' games), are going to be largely 'I Spy' type games or simple puzzles that are priced at $30.
Facebook games, and casual PC games in general pander to people who have no understanding of how technology works, or why video game are beautiful. Most people also have no concept of why paying $20 for a fake money card to buy a tree drawn in Flash is ridiculous.
The non-gaming audience is larger than the gaming audience. From a business stand point, it makes sense to sell games that are essentially superficial extensions of facebook. Unfortunately, we are going to see this kind of sales attitude migrate to real gaming, as we already have; where we are sold small piece of a product over the course of years, that amounts to something far greater than simply purchasing a standard video game.
Personally, I'm glad that most video game companies still view gaming as some kind of art form or interactive blockbuster, and have little desire to screw a good thing up. I'm sure Activision will come out with some slapped together free game that people can buy fake money for soon enough though.
I think people forget the main point of Facebook. Add your friends and keep in touch with them. That is my main reason for using Facebook, everything else is advertising, but I admit that I was addicted to mafia wars...and then I got bored, like I got billions of in game money but it was so boring I just ignored it and every other facebook game ever since. As for Bethedsa...fix the bugs will you, every time I play it, I need to call the exterminator! But Fallout 3 may be buggy but it is still really fun. I clocked 80+ hours with just one character and made another one that clocked at 30+ hours and BAM! bug hits, can't load the save and spring break went down the drain...
I use Facebook as a SOCIAL NETWORK. Not a gaming platform.
i have EVERY GAME I SEE set to "IGNORE" and simply use it to keep in touch with the people I've met in my life.
Hell at the weekend i set my status as a obscure reference to me needing some weed. Bam within 48 hours, a good few phone numbers/calls and fallen through deals later, i'm sitting in my den getting high and playing Peace Walker.
Facebook has it's uses.
i have EVERY GAME I SEE set to "IGNORE" and simply use it to keep in touch with the people I've met in my life.
Hell at the weekend i set my status as a obscure reference to me needing some weed. Bam within 48 hours, a good few phone numbers/calls and fallen through deals later, i'm sitting in my den getting high and playing Peace Walker.
Facebook has it's uses.
People will spend money on entertainment, so even if they are not getting anything that is tangible in a facebook game, they don't mind spending the money if it brings them escapism or joy.
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