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Banning videogames = social utopia? David Cameron believes so photo

David Cameron, leader of the British Conservative Party and Gordon Brown's biggest challenger for the position of Prime Minister today detailed worrying plans for a rather sinister sounding "social covenant," a society where we combat crime and violence by essentially pretending it doesn't exist and by blaming it on things like films, music videos and, of course, videogames. Because it's never a criminal that commits a crime, is it? A disc of some kind is always the one that picked up the claw hammer and beat a child to death with it ... right? Is that how it works?

"Today's document sets out our view on popular culture - that the companies which make music videos, films and computer games have a social responsibility not to promote casual violence, the gang culture and the degradation of women," Cameron erroneously stated today. "We are never going to deal with crime unless we look at the broader context and say, 'Yes, tough laws, strong action on the police, but also action to strengthen our society. And that includes, I think, video games and things like that where we do need to think of the context in which people are growing up."

Hit the jump for my in-depth and, of course, indignant view on this latest political garbage.

[Via OrangeGoblin's Dtoid community blog]

I kind of liked David Cameron, but today's borderline insane collection of puritanical, pious statements have plunged him right into the mire of reactionary insects who truly make this society as despicable as it is. What astounds me is he doesn't realize the TRUE cause of social decline -- people like him who make apologies for criminals by robbing them of accountability and shifting the blame onto benign things like music and videogames. If you make criminals believe it's not their fault, that they are victims of a sinful and evil society, of COURSE they're going to continue a life of crime. They no longer feel responsible for their actions, they feel almost justified.

David Cameron, if you're reading this, and I know you are because we're Destructoid, a site with far more respectability and influence than you, I am going to say this loud and clear, because I am sick to bloody death of people like you who don't seem to understand the very society you're hoping to govern. Ready?

CRIME. IS. CAUSED. BY. CRIMINALS. AND. NOTHING. ELSE. END. OF. GOD. DAMN. STORY!
 

Furthermore, Cameron's lies that music, films and games have some sort of 'social responsibility' would be amusing if they weren't so revoltingly disgraceful. I've said it before and, wearily, I'll say it again. entertainment has only ONE responsibility -- to be entertaining. However the means, however the method, a videogame's sole job is to make the consumer happy. Let the priests and the social workers and the teachers and hey ... the PARENTS provide the morals, that's THEIR social responsibility, the role in society that they willingly took on. It's not the job of music, films and games to educate our children or to mollycoddle grown men and women so we can pretend the world is all roses and buttercups and nobody ever feels pain.

Frankly, Mr. Cameron's ideas of a covenant, a social utopia, are scary to me. That he truly believes in whitewashing the nation's view of the world, that he genuinely feels the best way to tackle crime is to just close our eyes and ears, is frankly shocking. Taking away the violent games and the risque' music videos are not going to somehow turn immoral people into a bunch of born again Christians. It's ... inconceivable to me that educated, adult humans still have such blinkered views of the world and feel that the removal of videogames will instantly deliver us from evil. For once, I am glad that the Conservatives still have an intense stigma about their name and not a shred of credibility, because I am definitely not hoping to see this madman in power now. Not with his plans to create some kind of Neo-China in the United Kingdom.

Just try it, Mr. Cameron, you will be sorely disappointed in the results. I assure you.

Oh, and David then accused of the Labour party of having "knee-jerk reactions" to crime. Does he understand the concept of irony, do you think?

Utterly pathetic.








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paranoiaXVI's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:38
paranoiaXVI
That's crazy!
It's like having the internet without Destructoid
It's like having a driver's license, but no

Let him be that way.
he's probably Jack Thompsons' butt buddy
paranoiaXVI's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:39
paranoiaXVI
but no car is what i meant to say.
crappy dell keyboard..
3r0t1c n3rd's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:43
3r0t1c n3rd
news flash: Dead Rising just got confiscated in Germany. HOOORAY!
Bioautographical's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:44
Bioautographical
And I'm sure he's seen one dumb statistic or another, proving that people who have played video games are far more likely to commit murders. That's what's so infuriating to me, that need to find some leisure activity to blame for the "fall of mankind". They've done it to movies, they've done it to music, but none are quite so demonized as video games.

Of course, we never had people kill others before violent games came onto the scene. We didn't have any Albert Fishes, we didn't have any Ted Bundys, no John Wayne Gacys. Hell - we TOTALLY didn't have any petty criminals who stole or raped. We didn't have any people beating their wives. We didn't have anyone lynching people based on their race.

If we're going to blame ANYTHING at all other than the criminals, let's pick a good one - like illegal drugs. Then again, those are a cash cow for any government, whereas video game revenues gain them nothing. Why cut their own throats to "stop crime" when they can fuck with someone else's wallet?

Idiots.
Grum's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:44
Grum
green party FTW!
ShinAmano's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:45
ShinAmano
Way to loose a ton of potential voters in one fell swoop douche bag.
DeusPayne's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:48
DeusPayne
"Whitewashing the nation's views" What a perfect metaphor. It's exactly what these people want to do by requiring 'social responsibility' in entertainment. Do lawyers have a social responsibility for not gouging their clients with 'billable hours'? Do hot dog vendors have a social responsibility to not serve sweaty fat-asses? Do politicians have a social responsibility to shape our lives? NO! PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY! Where has it gone? Take responsibility for YOUR actions. Don't blame it on the gun, or the media, or the parents. If you didn't teach your kids the difference between real life and entertainment, that's not the entertainments fault. That's YOURS. Is it my responsibility to point out everything in the world that doesn't agree with my own personal beliefs? NO. So stop imposing your self righteous views on others. Fucking politicians.
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:49
Bob Muir
What a douche. [Insert general form of agreement here.]
blehman's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:50
blehman
This is another horrible example of someone going after the wrong things to blame. If the people who tried to make and change these laws actually got out and started doing something positive, like maybe helping some of the people that have to turn to crime due to poverty or getting their life back together after incarceration, then maybe they would open their eyes to the fact that the entertainment community is not to blame.

Snaileb 's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:54
Snaileb
I disagree Jim..

The desensitizing of a person through media can affect his morales and judgement, especially at a young age. Granted it should be up to the parents or guardians, that doesn't mean that will happen, because most people are morons. (and this has been written to death)

That being said, this guy is the fucking king of moron.
El Fajitas's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:54
El Fajitas
Maybe he can understand this:
"Hey buddy! Yeah, you over there!"
-Slaps slappable cheecks until numb-
"Sorry see, I just played Bitch-slap 3000!"
-Zoidberg-like exit-
Virtualgirl's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:56
Virtualgirl
These people are def. getting old...
B-Radicate's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:57
B-Radicate
I officially love Jim Sterling. Whoever the fuck he is, I love him.

I agree with everything said here. Flawless.
Lord_Satorious's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:58
Lord_Satorious
What were the video games Hitler played just before he ordered the 'final solution'? Whatever they were, clearly they were the deciding factor in his Nazi fuckheadery. I'm going to play some Gears of War now and then go chainsaw some people to death. Also, has Viva Pinata made anyone else dig up their backyard in the hopes of finding of chocolate coins?
UglyDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 10:59
UglyDuck
Not a weak point in sight. Perfect rant :D

I just love the word Chilluns.
Snaileb 's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 11:03
Snaileb
BTW I feel sorry for your country. Cameron and Bush should make babies.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 11:04
Jim Sterling
Snaileb:

I think we can both agree I am a man of principal and pronounced morality. I used to watch Terminator and Puppet Master at the age of five. I grew up on violent films and videogames. You know ... I didn't even have good parents to teach me right from wrong.

But I could never bring myself to harm another person. Tell me, what makes me so different, that years of playing Resident Evil hasn't corrupted me?
OrangeGoblin's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 11:14
OrangeGoblin
I (of course) agree that parents need to step up and take some responsibility, but I also think it isn't enough for us as gamers to just say that and then excuse ourselves from the issue.

As I mentioned in my original post, the BBFC system is severely broken because no one takes a blind bit of notice of it. We gamers need to encourage the education of parents and show that that yes, some games are for children, but certainly not all of them.

The [url="http://www.esrb.org/about/psa.jsp"]ESRB[/url] have a good set of campaigns, including the excellent Penny Arcade one, but I've never seen anything like that over here in the UK. The fact that the BBFC is a really a film classification board doesn't help.

Why can't politicians lobby for an independent game-only regulatory body, with a large education budget? Oh right - because that would actually be useful, rather than getting headlines like "PLAYSTATION FORCES CHILDREN TO MURDER!"
thunderleg's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 11:15
thunderleg
They'd better ban board games as well.

I remember back when I killed 5 people and their children over a rousing game of Dover Patrol. In all fairness, only one of those mofos deserved to die, but I couldn't help myself.

I got away with it, too, by getting a fresh paint job for my car.

Oh, wait. None of that happened. Friggen overactive imagination...!
OrangeGoblin's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 11:15
OrangeGoblin
Gah. Stupid non-HTML BBCode.ESRB, for those who like to click.
Dennen's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 11:19
Dennen
I saw the word "Desensitizing" used. I will summarize my feelings on that. I personally feel that human beings the world over never were sensitized to begin with. With or without video games, many kids have a violent nature. Now, i'm not saying that everyone is a big bunch of criminals waiting to happen. But what I am saying is that people have a natural sway towards violence when they are born. It is through real life that consequences and understanding come to fruition. The understandings of right and wrong..

This is the next step in an "evolution" that we have taken. Or you may call it "understanding" or "higher intelligence".. The knowledge that we no longer have to fight and kill for food.

But then again. It's rather rough to teach these things to schoolchildren when the parents allow them to run amok, dress them as sluts and gangsters, and scold everything but their child for the issues that arise... Even common morals and polite behavior is no longer a required class - matter of factly, it has disappeared as even an option in the elementary schools around where I live... How can children grow to be any sense of "Normal" if, for many of them, they are never taught the correct path to begin with.
galagabug 's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 11:20
galagabug
this guy should totally try to create his own social utopia under water! creeate a new world, with a catchy name.. like Rapture.
Dennen's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 11:21
Dennen
Add-In: Even if they ban violent video games. We still have the news to deliver our pictures of corpses and violent wrecks with blood smeared windshields. Or the loading of a firearm, that's another one. Video games teach our children how to kill people, indeed. Every time I see the media featuring something like that, I shake my head in disgust.
BigPopaGamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 11:22
BigPopaGamer
Sigh...When will it end? Why can't people ever understand that the primary purpose of games is to let people have fun with them? That's it. Not to train murderers or rapists or thieves, but to just have fun. Videogames have gotten lumped in with everything else people want to blame stuff on.

And btw, you can make statistics prove anything.

This gets old after awhile, but we have to keep fighting against assholes like this guy seems to be. Seems to me like a socialist government the way he talks. Whatever happened to free speech? How about parent's begin deciding what kind of games their children should play. Oh yeah, parent's don't care anymore(not directing this at any of you d-toids) about what their kids do. This will never end.

jerrt's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 11:23
jerrt
this reminds me of the story line for HAZE. anyone else?
Deus's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 11:24
Deus
This isn't even a new attitude. The conservative view that new influences and prevailing cultural trends is what causes corruption and immorality in society is as old as time itself. It goes right back to the beginning of civilization. In all cases, new and modern mediums have been blamed and their content has been censored. They used to deface statues and burn books, and now they're censoring video games, television, music and at least trying to censor the internet. People always seem to be ignorant of the fact that what they are trying to do has been done before a thousand times in a thousand subtly different ways. History is, as always, bound to repeat itself among the ignorant.
BlackDove's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 11:28
BlackDove
Videogames: A sinful enterprise presenting the greatest threat to countries today.

But I mean, it's such an obvious scapegoat. Who wants to deal with criminals anyway? Crime's been around since forever, and they know they can't do anything about it but make empty promises. By painting videogames as evil, they can do all the time-wasting things every politician dreams of doing, which is have statements and meetings that mean absolutely nothing, yet they still get paid a very large sum of money for it.
OrangeGoblin's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 11:28
OrangeGoblin
Oh look. The Guardian helpfully provided some "background" on violent games, and are once again reporting that Manhunt was responsible for the death of Stefan Pakeerah. Of course they fail (as usual) to mention that HE owned the game, not his killer. His parents didn't seem to mind buying the 14 year-old an 18 rated game, and perhaps if they had been better educated about gaming then they wouldn't have. However, it sadly wouldn't have prevented him being killed by some nutter.
Snaileb 's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 11:37
Snaileb
Too true and point taken Sterling, I was the same. My brothers were 10 years older than me, so I was watching stuff like Doom Generation and Tromio and Juliet probably just as young as you.

There is an article on the brain, how it's always one millisecond away from madness, how it's like a big machine and it just takes one broken valve to make the whole thing explode, and that has alot to do with it.

Sometimes the world has a different affect on people, and sometimes if effects people more than most, and violent media such as games, movies, etc, aren't helping.

But that doesn't mean we should change our society, culture, and the way we live life because others can't mentally adjust.

Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 11:38
Jim Sterling
It amuses me they still bring up the Pakeerah shit. Pakeerah's parents were humiliated when it was discovered they bought their kid that game. Stupid assholes.
iliketuna's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 11:44
iliketuna
thats crazy talk. everyone knows hitler played xbox and look how he turned out
gamesronlygames's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 11:48
gamesronlygames
People need to stop blaming the wickedness in their own hearts onto external objects. You are not a horsetheif becuase you stole a horse. You steal a horse because you are horsetheif. People neglect the source. Cars dont run over people by themselves, guns dont shoot people, and video games do not force people to imitate fantasy and fiction. Yes as snaileb says-mediums can desensitize, but the problem lies in ignorance and not being trained to separate fiction and entertainment from reality. My four year old gets confused with TMNT and Transformers. I had to tell him Spiderman and the Fantastic Four dont live in Manhattan. So if these political zealots would stop trying to cowtow to suburbian soccor(sorry football for Jim)Moms and tell parents to educate their children. I know not everyone has great parents who are up to the task, but most people who are not already deranged have an innate sense of right and wrong-otherwise they wouldnt be offended at killing or bitch slapping an old lady at the train station. But just because there are mising and irresponsible parents doesnt mean we need Parliament or Uncle Sam to be our surrogate Dad on these issues of entertainment and fiction, or self preservation and freedom to bear arms.
Snaileb 's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 11:50
Snaileb
I wish I could gather a comprehendable sentence that made sense..
Monte's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 11:58
Monte
Jim don't you know... crime, hatred and war didn't exist before the 20th century! the world was in a golden age and a complete and peaceful utpoia before the evils of media came and destoryed everything. We we're lucky that such perfection was not corrupted by that evil dance the waltz; the world stands no chance agaisnt this new evil media!
codballs's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 12:02
codballs
This is why Cameron will never be Prime Minister. He's planning a Socialist paradise and they're supposed to be, well, the Conservative Party. We have a socialist government already. How can he present himself as an alternative when he's talking of banning media he doesn't like? It's not that far away from the book burning favoured by another socialist government that was quite popular in the '30s.

I can't wait to see the charmless, supercilious fucker crash and burn. And it'll be at the hands of Gordon Brown, possibly the most dour human being alive today.
Velt's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 12:03
Velt
Im going to tell you what i would like to see Mr. Sterling, I would like to see a debate between you (destructoid), and any of these moralists, anti-videogame activists.

It would be nice to have it over the internet, and then we can see their universe of reason fall down like Rapture under a giant Big daddy. Because after all in science there is something called "facts", and they arent any facts supporting the role of videogames making children more violent.


dgenerate's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 12:06
dgenerate
Awesome read Jim. You do the thing with your words that I have trouble doing with mine.
zardoz's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 12:07
zardoz
Yeah, cuz society was so much safer and passive before the birth of the evil videogame, public floggings, torture, hangings, burnings, what's that you say? Guy Fawkes day? Yes that celebrates the brutal torture and burning to death of a human being, yes that's right we do that every year. Yes, human violence and brutality has indeed coincided with videogames, we had centuries of peace and harmony before they came along.

David Cameron is perhaps the biggest idiot the world of Politics has ever produced, at least Bush and Blair actually believed what they said, whether what they said was right or wrong is another debate, but at least they beleived it.

This Cameron gimp would say anything to get attention, if he thought that talking about the gang raping of new born seal pups would get him some knee jerk positive reaction from the masses, then he would say it. Fucking moron.

gamesronlygames's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 12:14
gamesronlygames
What happened to England? It's past greatness is relegated to the ash heap of history. Clowns in Buckingham and Parliament all parading their empty pomp and circumstance trying to maintain their decorum and forgetting the needs of the people they claim to govern. Oh how the mighty have fallen...
Dynamic Sheep's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 12:35
Dynamic Sheep
Jim you make England sound like a rainy version of the US that gets games months after us.... I say all of D'toid should move to Tokyo.
iNerd's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 12:54
iNerd
How china does things? I got my comment on how he was Tory scum removed. Hows that for censorship?
zomB Eter's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 12:57
zomB Eter
Anyone got an incinerate plasmid? This bastard needs to be lit up!
Jark212's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 13:01
Jark212
Damn... its happening... again...
NES 8Bit's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 13:04
NES 8Bit
Also in the article:
"Mr Cameron said his previously-published plans to incentivise couples to stick together through the tax system would also assist the law and order agenda."

I think this Cameron guy is onto something. After England's youth have all forms of entertainment taken from them, they'll be able to learn life's lessons from bitter parents who are only sticking together for tax breaks.
Shadowcast's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 13:09
Shadowcast
Excellent points there Jim... I completely agree; plus I think you'd make a awesome PM... I'd definitely vote for the Destructoid party. Then again anyone could make a better job of it than this fuckwad, and to think I was actually considering voting for him too.
Stonedfox's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 13:13
Stonedfox
*Sigh* When are they going to leave our people alone? (Gamers, not Irish Americans)
THE ROADIE's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 13:24
THE ROADIE
Is it just me or are most of the politicians here a bunch of overpaid useless dickheads? If he gets in and games are banned I will leave for another country, or go up to Scotland if Salmond gets independence.
The Incredible Edible Egg's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 13:42
The Incredible Edible Egg
Lets let him get rid of rap. I hate rap. Diamonds don't belong in your mouth.
Batthink's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 14:40
Batthink
Right on, Jim, let him have it. I was thinking about voting for him for a few reasons, but this article has backed up my view that I may need to look for someone else to vote for.

Although I felt it was getting close to becoming a rant towards the end, you are right about people putting responsibility in the wrong place.
Caspian's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/28/2007 15:44
Caspian
The fact remains that all these past violent acts said to be caused by video games have all been committed by young people with a pre-disposed penchant for violence or some sort of mental instability. Media, no matter how violent or dosile, couldn't turn a rational person into a killer anymore than it could turn a Pug Puppy into a Raging Pit Bull.
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