@Boolean

But it's not a racing game (though I'm sure it will have some races in it). The way I read it (from the videos) it IS a platformer except you're platforming WITH vehicles (that you can dynamically change for the situation) instead of walking around and platforming/exploring. Personally, I think that's a pretty cool idea.

Plus it's not like this game is called Banjo 3 so why is everyone so mad that it's even in the universe?

I agree 100% with King, but the more time that passes, the more I calm down about it and accept what Rare is offering us here. I mean, those guys made a pinata breeding simulation work, so this has a good shot of working. It looks pretty fun, so I'm going to give it a chance.. but still think back to what could have been every now and then.

What really worries me, is Kazooie. It bugs me that we hardly see her pop outta the backpack during the gameplay we've been shown. She was always my favorite character of the duo, and now that Banjo relies mostly on vehicles, what role will she play? Besides wielding that huge laser gun thingy, anyway..

"If it looked like a good game? I would like it for sure. What the fuck does it matter whether it's part of the Fallout franchise if the game is good?"

Because that means Fallout 3 the adventure game people were hoping for might not happen for another 4-5 years, if ever. This could be the best game ever released on a console, but just as Fallout Cooking Adventures might be the best game ever made, it's not what a lot of people wanted...they wanted Fallout 3. It's like waiting in line for Mass Effect for 2 days, then when you get there the clerk hands you GTA IV, then when you say "This isn't what I wanted" his excuse is "But it's a good game, a BETTER game, what the fucks your problem?". The simple answer is, it’s not what people were expecting and its unfair to call them a cunt over that.

As a person who has hardly played the games it does not really bother me one way or the other, all I’m saying is I understand why people are pissed.

"We made another banjo game but found it tedious so we tried this idea with banjo."

How can that quote be construed as anything but good? They tried another traditional game, but it was tedious. They did not want to release a tedious game, so they tried a different approach. How is that bad?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I'M POINTING AND LAUGHING AT ALL YOU SAD BASTARDS. JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT.

Yeah, I've honestly never given a shit about Banjo-Kazooie. Quit your bitching, you little pussies. If Boom Blox can turn out okay, so can this. Come over here, so I can slap you around a little.

I'm gonna make such a great father.

Arttemis... uhhhhhhhhhhh i was just mentioning one aspect of the game... banjo kazooie is the best n64 game i have played.. i acutally like it more than mario. banjo kazooie teaches you how to use your mind and how to solve many challenges.yeah this third one has those in it too but i dont need all these vehicles to play. in the intervirew he even said yeah you can run around to get to your objectives but that will be pointless because it will take you so long.... thatdoesnt matter to me i want to run around. i feel they should cancel this game and start over... they messed up before the game even came out... *sigh

Arttemis... i guess you didnt read the interview did you?? yeah in this new game mumbo is a car salesman... woah he is transforming you into stuff now isnt he.. and axctually he is a gaming element... as you just stated he transforms you into different characters... right there is a game element because you use that to complete challenges... now with vehicles that fly and stuff mumbo doesnt need to transform us... so its sad.

Well this is seriously lame, not that i'm "afraid of change", but there is a reason why gamers love franchises and sequels; it's because they love to play more of what they played before. They loved the game play and the characters and what to see it again with whole new levels, abilities, story and so forth; hell the biggest disappoint can be "i wish the game was longer". You take what worked before and add heavily to it, you don't change things completly With the franchises main games, you take what worked before and add on to it and make it better; this is how many of nintendo's and other really strong franchises have stayed great for so long... the only time you do something drastically different is when you make spin offs from the main game, or when you realize that fans have really gotten tired of the old formula (which they generally don't for many games)

Had they just made a NEW game, fans would not be up in arms about this. I mean they could have so easily made a new game, with new characters, with the same tone and feel as BK, but made the focus on building stuff and driving around... They game would have sold on it's own merits... instead their attaching BK to it in order to take advantage of a fan base that's been wanting a new game for years, and all it's really doing is alienating them...

as for the game itself... i think how much i will like it depends on how long it takes to build stuff... i'm thinking gummi ships when i see those veichles... and when it came to kingdom hearts i did kinda like the gummi ship as a side feature... thing is though, i still played kingdom hearts for everything else, and when it came to the gummi ship, i just used it to make ONE really good ship; not sure if i would enjoy make a dozen or so vehicles... the creation time can get tiresome

@PIC2021 - My god, man; of course I read the interview.

You completely missed my point. Mumbo Jumbo is a character that granted the player transformations to accomplish unique obstacles in the previous games. If you had read the interview, you'd have see Gregg's explanation of the vehicles being designed with that specifically in mind --- as an evolution to that mechanic. To think that it has to be character specific is just ignorant.

Just because Mumbo Jumbo is no longer going to be performing the transformations, doesn't mean that gameplay element is no longer there.

shit you guys are still going at it? Look, I can see why you would not be happy with this new direction, and I can understand where you're coming from in thinking this was a "idea first, character later" type of thing.

But none of that changes the fact that this is what we're getting. You wanted Banjo, you're going to get him. It's Rare's game and character and as far as I'm concerned, they can do what they please. While they could have made a platformer, do you really think anyone is surpassing Mario Galaxy in that genre? It would be silly to go up against that type of game. Rare decided to try something new and perhaps create their own sub-genre.

I would love a pure platforming Banjo, but when I think about it, it would be the same game as the old ones, which I tired of near the end of the sequel. It just gets old, and they really don't have any hope of setting a standard in the genre, seeing as how SMG already did that and there is no way Rare could beat Nintendo at their own game.

Besides that, the genre is limiting.

They tried something new both because they had balls and because they were afraid of failure. They don't want another "Perfect Dark" debacle about how the game does nothing new but looks really pretty.

Either way, it's one fucking game out of hundreds. Calm down.

"It's a matter of perception. You assume Rare put BK in the idea, I assume Rare put the idea into BK."

Or maybe microsoft put the idea into Rare since they want to actually make some money off the purchase after almost a decade.

@eternaldeathslayer

Your optimistic comments make sense to me. Thank you for restoring my faith in this game!

the first two games didnt use vehicles.. why are vehicles so important now? i just want to play as banjo... mess around with kazooie by getting him hurt.. and chilling with mumbo. yes you quoted that interview and yes i see what he is saying but it doesnt matter this stuff was never in a banjo game before so it doesnt need to be in it now. MisterMingo hit it right on the spot by saying this should of been a diddy kong racing game... and it should be in all honesty.. this is not banjo.

...i dont want to spend 80% of the game in a vehicle.. i dont want to complete objectives in a vehicle. they dont need to be in the game.. i can still run around just fine.

"this stuff was never in a banjo game before so it doesnt need to be in it now."

And there was never an ocarina in the original Legend of Zelda.

Your point?

And you didn't spend 80% of Ocarina of Time playing the fucking ocarina. It was mostly more of the same.

Your point?

Ugh I'm really torn guys. This is a game I've grown up with, and an ip I loved more than Mario. I have so much awesome memories of the platforming days of yore I've experienced on my N64 with this game, and I really was a little sad to hear that 80% of the game was in vehicles. But after reading the interview, I'm definitely not as angry. They have a lot of good things being planned, and i happen to like the idea of building things and flying them while blowing shit up. Sure it may be different than all the Banjo-Kazooie games I grew up on, but GOD-DAMMIT, I'm going to buy this game and give it a shot. Im most likely going to end up enjoying it, and there's nothing I can do, bitching won't stop anything, but I believe that if this game does what it's trying to do right, then we're going to love this game just as much as the others.

Why must i comment this page twice? Why?

@Reaprar

You should read King3Vbo's blog on this and specifically this quote he pulled from the interview:

"Say there is a object that needs to be taken from A to B. How do you do it? Do you make a vehicle with prongs to push it? Do you make a vehicle to carry it? Do you try and take it via water? Do you fly it there? Do you whack it as hard as possible and send it flying? Do you try and pick it up? That's without deciding how the terrain and the baddies will come into play. Do you go for speed? Do you arm yourself to the teeth and crawl your way there? But remember, the 'better' you complete the task the better your reward. So it's not just a case of 'complete the challenge and get a Jiggy' anymore. Each challenge has been designed to offer multiple approaches (and some we probably haven't thought of). Even with simple races (which there are some, but nowhere near as many as everyone seems to think) you choice of vehicle is key. There's nothing stopping you using a plane on a water based race. Some races require you to go on land, in water and in the air. Try building a vehicle for that! "

This is where I'm getting my "platforming in vehicles" stuff. It's just a new way to complete those classic 3D platformer challenges instead of jumping around like every other 3 million platformers have you do. I understand your concern, trust me, but the fact that this ISN't called Banjo 3 leads me to believe that they may try to do another traditional platformer later anyway.

@Monte

My point there was that no one complained about the concept or whether or not the idea for a gravity jumping platformer came before the idea to put Mario in it. Arguably, that game could have any other character/universe in it otehr than MArio and people would have been none the wiser. I'm just saying it doesn't matter.

The people who say Rare is going the way of Sonic Team are really, REALLY stupid. Go fucking play Viva Pinata right now, it's a great game.

Honestly, I think I'm just biased. I personally am done with jumping on platforms. That's why I got bored of SMG as I felt like I was just playing SM64 over again. I'm not against the mechanic completely, I just don't ever want to play a pure platformer again. God of War for example is what I consider to be a new breed of platforming that has a perfect balance of jumping on shit and action (which is why I honestly enjoyed GoW2 waaay more than SMG).

I understand that other people are NOT tired of it though and I know that's why you're pissed.

And again, my original SMG point was addressing the fact that people were saying they came up with the concept before they thought of putting the IP in it, and denouncing it for it. My point was who cares if it works.

@GUITARATOMIK
no one complained because Mario galaxy was STILL a mario game... it had all the old elements that we love to see in a mario game, with the only difference being that the levels were sphere's instead of flat planes... The reason people complain about BK3 cause it takes away many of the elements that we know and loved about the previous games.

@JIm
Y'know, as much as i love the Dynasty games, i can see the arguement against it... i mean, compared to other franchises, the DW games have kept their changes to absolute minimum. a Franchise like Mario makes lots of changes while still keeping more of the same... it's sort of a balance; the DW series does TOO MUCH of the same, and BK3 is making way to many changes...

Granted, one problem that the DW series suffers from is that fact that its a retelling of chinese story and as such is stuck to telling the same story in each game... That alone gets it stuck to having the game cover the same battles as the previous ones and leaves little room to add on... afterall, story is one of the main driving point behind creating new levels, drama and stuff like that... it kind of limits what they can change... unless they want to call it DW, but not have it cover the three kingdoms story; which i'm not sure how well that would turn out...

@Monte

See my last point about Mario Galaxy in my last post to see what I was specifically referring to.