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Banjo-Kazooie sequel is 80% vehicles photo

If you're one of the fans prepared to take a steaming dump all over Banjo Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts because it dares to be such a big departure from previous games, you probably won't like what Gregg Mayles has to say.

In a chat with Rare Witch Project community members, BK's creator suggested that the game would be "around 80% vehicles." Banjo will get in and out of them all the time, but most of the traveling will be done by your self-built contraptions. Mayles is confident, however, that when you actually get your hands on it, you won't care that it's not exactly like past games.

"I know it is going to be tough for people to accept ... especially the old fans, but I believe they make the old games look limited and very outdated. People are always afraid of change," Mayles answered. "But change for the better is great, which is what I believe this game to be. It's going to take time for people to get it, I know!"

"... What you have seen so far only scratches the surface of what is possible. You'll have hours fo [sic] fun just making things - I'm sure of it! Banjo games were never really strong on replayability, whereas this one sure is."

Go and check out the full discussion, because it's packed full of information about the game and may set your mind at least partially to rest, since Mayles is incredibly confident in this title. After reading some of the things he had to say, I am very much looking forward to giving Nuts & Bolts a try, and so should you, you grumpy grouchy grouchfaces!


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Conan-san's Avatar
Conan-san at 05/15/2008 09:29
Well, it's thier last throw of the die. They better anté up otherwise they're going the way of sonic team.
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SWE3tMadness at 05/15/2008 09:36
"I know it is going to be tough for people to accept ... especially the old fans"

Damn right it is.

Rare's taking a huge gamble here. Many fans already hate the direction they're taking it, so if Rare doesn't prove us all wrong and the game doesn't turn out to be that good (regardless of atmosphere or art direction, I mean in terms of gameplay) when it's released, it might just be the last nail in their coffin.
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galagabug at 05/15/2008 09:41
this game looks amaaaaazing. but rare is taking a huge chance by slapping 'banjo kazooie' in the title. if this was a new IP, you guys would be eating it up.
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BlackSheep at 05/15/2008 09:42
rabble rabble rabble

cuntbiscuits
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FuhkTwatTheClown at 05/15/2008 09:43
I smell Kingdom Hearts Gummi ship. And shit.
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gamesronlygames at 05/15/2008 09:47
Can anyone say were jealous of Ratchet and Clank. And do they really think this is on par with Galaxy? Up your arsenal .
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Toneman at 05/15/2008 09:51
I actually think it looks awesome. I love games where you can create and customize stuff.
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NightDehumidifier at 05/15/2008 09:52
Maybe this time around they'll be sure to add 130% fun and remove 100% of collectathon, or cancel this game to make something people really want, like some crappy N64 game manchildren sweat about.
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KaL YoshiKa at 05/15/2008 09:53
All they had to do..was make it a new IP as Galagabug says and we'd be all "Woo random building crap".
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Y0j1mb0 at 05/15/2008 09:55
This game would be AWESOME... if it wasn't a Banjo game.


Rare should be catering to their fans.. we just wanted another awesome platform from them..not a vehicle /platform hybrid.

I hope for the best but fear the worst.
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covah at 05/15/2008 09:56
fuck... I'll buy it but it better be fucking good
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topgeargorilla at 05/15/2008 09:59
Will Tiptup the Turtle be in here? What about Timba the Tiger? Or the stupid yellow mouse? Badger guy? Conker Cameo? Let's do a Diddy Kong Racing crossover.

BTW, who remembers when Banjo was just the stupid bear in DKR that nobody played as?
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Chicken008 at 05/15/2008 09:59
But now I'm not interested in this game, now its just some spin off to me..
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Boolean at 05/15/2008 10:03
If anyone was thinking they stuck Banjo and Kazooie into "Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts." purely on namesake, put your minds at ease! For example players use "Banjoprints" to build vehicles. Some of these are the Banjo 4x4, Banjo Boat, Banjo Copter and Banjo Plane...

I heard BANJO is in this game too! BANJO!!!! DID YOU HEAR!?
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Jim Sterling at 05/15/2008 10:04
"Rare should be catering to their fans.. we just wanted another awesome platform from them..not a vehicle /platform hybrid. "

Ha. If companies only did things their rabid fanbase wanted 100% of the time, we'd see a shitload of bankruptcies.
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Faceless at 05/15/2008 10:04
I'm still looking forward to the game, I was just hoping for a good classic platformer on my 360. I'm a little wary if the game's going to have that much focus on vehicles, but at least effort is being made to evolve the series.
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Jordan Grim Devore at 05/15/2008 10:05
Let's hope it retains the humor of the previous Banjo games then...
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EternalDeathSlayer at 05/15/2008 10:07
While I must admit the lack of "platforming" is disappointing, Jim is fucking right. We should be praising Rare for having the balls to change things around. You certainly wouldn't find Nintendo making such drastic changes to the main Super Mario games, right?

So we should applaud this decision and hope for the best, seeing as how Rare has made some of the best games of all time throughout the years. I think we can put a tinsy bit of trust in them, regardless of atrocities like Grabbed by the Ghoulies. They deserve some fucking respect.
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topgeargorilla at 05/15/2008 10:10
Oh, and can I create really tiny airplanes and hovercrafts?

@EDS
I agree to an extent but I do have to argue in that Mario Galaxy was nicely different from previous games. But not as much as this new Banjo game.
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king3vbo at 05/15/2008 10:12
Well, thats it. This is not Banjo Kazooie. As far as I'm concerned, this is Banjo Pilot 2

Now time to


FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKING SHIT
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king3vbo at 05/15/2008 10:13
that being said, I'm still buying it the day it comes out
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taxial at 05/15/2008 10:13
I like it when teams that have a good history of games try new stuff, but with the lack of classic platform games on the 360 it makes little sense why RARE wouldn't make this a platformer. Not that I won't get this game, but I'm now on the fence. Before I was going to get this, first day, regardless of previews or anything based on the fact that Banjo was a very fun platform game. What do I have now? ....(I won't buy a PS3...not until I need a Blu Ray player ate least.....)... Fingers crossed that Beyond Good and Evil is going to get a green light.... and end up on the 360.
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BigKev at 05/15/2008 10:14
"Rare should be catering to their fans"?

Really? REALLY??!! Is that the message we want to send to the big producers, don't you dare innovate, we want the same thing over and over again.

FFS, if Rare thinks that the new Banjo game would be better this way, than good on them. I hope they are right, just to shut you dimwits up.
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Yashoki at 05/15/2008 10:15
I dont agree with EDS and Jim. Why not a new IP? Imagine if they made "Banjo Kazooie: Pinata Party!" how pissed would we be then? It's not a Banjo Kazooie game. Its in the same vein of the 3D Castlevania's.

You can "have balls" and change things up without turning a platformer into a lego racer.
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Puppetpallmich at 05/15/2008 10:17
this just in: fuck it then
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Jim Sterling at 05/15/2008 10:20
"It's not a Banjo Kazooie game."

Do you honestly think you are more qualified to decide that than the man who, I dunno, INVENTED Banjo-Kazooie. Call me crazy, but I think if Greg Mayles says it's a Banjo game, then I'm going to take his word over it than some people who hate a franchise changing.

This is no different than the Fallout fans attacking Bethesda because "zomg it's not Fallout." Um ... it IS Fallout. It is whatever the developer says it is, because frankly it's THEIR game.

omg Metal Gear Acid is not a Metal Gear game guys!!!!
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Zanch at 05/15/2008 10:21
Am I the only person who thinks this looks great? I'm a fan of the previous Banjo Kazooie games, but I like that Rare is daring enough to change things up instead of rehashing their old ideas.
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Professor Pew at 05/15/2008 10:24
Well, if they made the same game with Kameo characters, less people would buy it. I don't think the 360 needs a lego racer more than a good platformer though, so DO NOT WANT.
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Jim Sterling at 05/15/2008 10:25
"it seems alot like an idea first, character later kinda thing."

And having talked to people before details of this game were even made public, I can confirm that this isn't true. Mayles wanted a Banjo game, but didn't want to retread old ground, so he's tried something different.

And read the discussion I linked to, please. You'll see it's got some really cool ideas and isn't just vehicle combat.
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sinny at 05/15/2008 10:28
@JIM STERLING : the problem here is that they are presenting the game as a sequel, AC!D was a spinoff...
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GuitarAtomik at 05/15/2008 10:30
Personally, I think this is a good idea. Now granted, I'm biased. I've been way fucking tired of platformers for years and was COMPLETELY bored of Super Mario Galaxy by the time I had 10 stars. I'm just tired of the genre in general as it hasn't seemed to evolve much at all since Super Mario 64.

I still can't say I'd buy this as I've never even been a Banjo Kazooie fan (see statements about platformers), but after hearing this and seeing some of the game play video I can say I'm a lot more likely to buy it now than I was when I thought it would just be another goddamn platformer.
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ConsummateK at 05/15/2008 10:30
I don't argue the fact that this is his baby and that he can do whatever he wants and still call it Banjo-Kazooie. I DO reserve the right to say that from the limited shots and information I have I would rather this be another solid platformer then some wild deviation. You'll kindly excuse people for complaining about seeing one of their favorite IPs being turned on it's head, Jim.

Also, companies "cater to fans" ALL the time to make money. They're called mindless sequels that do the same thing over and over because they know the fans will buy them. Dynasty Warriors anyone?
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SWE3tMadness at 05/15/2008 10:33
"I agree to an extent but I do have to argue in that Mario Galaxy was nicely different from previous games. But not as much as this new Banjo game."

TopGearGorilla, it's because SMG basically just changed the environment and physics in the levels. The basic platforming, Goomba-stomping, Star-collecting mechanics were untouched. In BK:N&B, they're changing both the gameplay andsetting.

Looking back now, I think I overreacted when I first heard the news. The gameplay might be fun, but they had better keep a lot of the old charm and humor intact or the game will fall over like an unbalanced Jenga tower.
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Droll at 05/15/2008 10:33
Why on earth are comparing the vehicle building in this game to a barely fleshed out game mechanic from a PS2 Action RPG?
If Rare is building the game around vehcile construction, then it (hopefully!) shoudn't be as terrible as the Gummi Ship building minigame in Kingdom Hearts.
For the record, building vehciles seems like it will be super easy: those videos of the game make it look like you can jump to a vehicle builder at any time, no matter where you are! That, already, makes it a hell of a lot better than those gummi ship sequences.
Also, We know what happens when game makers cater exclusivly to their fan base: we get Zelda:Twilight Princess, the least enjoyable Zelda game since Zelda II! TP was a game nearly identical to its 10 year old namesake! Do we really want developers to be cranking out crap without ever thinking outside the box?
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urbanyeti at 05/15/2008 10:35
I'm working through the seven stages of grief with this game. I'm currently on anger, and (maybe) I'll work around to acceptance by the time it comes out. Maybe.
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slapme7times at 05/15/2008 10:36
I don't quite understand the problem banjo fans claim to have about the new direction the game is taking.

People, for some reason, never seem to get exhausted playing the same exact game again and again and again and again and again and again.

And it's not just the internet hate machine, it's also the gaming press.

Video game titles that repeat the same exact bullshit we've been playing for decades seem to garner praise from everyone.

Take shit like twilight princess, metroid prime 3, or super mario galaxy for the wii.

The graphics are the same, the story is worse, and the game mechanics have gone completely unchanged with the exception of a light gun, the same light gun we've been playing with at arcades for DECADES... Despite this, they review and sells quite well, proof that consumers cannot come to bear with seeing old beloved franchises change.
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ajaxender at 05/15/2008 10:41
This sounds like its going to be very cool. If anyone can pull this off, its Rare. I seriously cannot understand what the fuss is. And yes, i did enjoy Banjo-Kazooie in its day, but come on people - its 10 years old now! If they made the same game again with pretty graphics, wouldnt that be everything you 'apparently' despise about the video game industry?
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Druid 01 at 05/15/2008 10:42
<----- disappointed . . . but still hopeful
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king3vbo at 05/15/2008 10:46
In going back and playing Banjo Kazooie and Banjo Tooie, I hunger for more of that. The games are still wicked fun after all this time. Hell, I played Banjo Kazooie from start to finish in the last few days. I couldnt put it down, and played for 3-4 hours at a time.

Banjo Tooie was taking the core elements of Banjo Kazooie, and upgrading them. Bigger levels, more variety of challenges, more moves, etc.

Thats what I want. Take Banjo Tooie, and make it bigger, prettier, more moves, more challenges. Does it mean Im stuck in 1998? FUCK YES. Does it mean I want more of the same? FUCK YES.

That being said, I'm not saying its going to be a bad game. I'm sure it will be a lot of fun, and I'm sure that I will have fun playing it. Now that I think about it, my first comment was a major overreaction.
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Demtor at 05/15/2008 10:50
I say good for Rare. New things are good. And this is a perfect way to get guys like me to try out a Banjo-Kazooie game as I was never really interested in the original collection fests. This however interests me and will most likely get fans of the series to get it and love it anyways.
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jesusdoesntloveyou at 05/15/2008 10:56
Either one of 2 things will happen either it will be great & fun or it will suck,but if it sucks they can still go back and do a classic platformer down the track. Its not like this is gonna be the last banjo game ever made. And have some faith in rare people, its not like their sonic team & just pump out shit year after year and dont care haha
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pic2021 at 05/15/2008 10:59
all i got to say is i am in love with KING3VBO, he is 100% f-in right. banjo kazooie and banjo tooie rock.. i love those games so much and i still play them to this day... i am in college and i still bust out my n64 to play these 2 games because they are THAT fun! all you guys that are saying this is a move in the right direction for the francise is completely WRONG. this game maybe cool if theywould just make it a whole new franchise but NO they are destroying a beloved franchise that i grew up playing and remember to this day and i STILL laugh at it always. we dont need stupid cars in banjo kazooie! be have kazooie to run us everywhere! i want another one of those games! make the levels bigger and much nicer! and i have one demand that rare HAS to follow........ YOU BETTER STILL USE THE STUPID NOISES FOR THE VOICES AND USE SUBTITLES!!!!!!!!! i do not want to see banjo or kazooie actually speak english or anything... those rambling for voices is the best thing ever in those games!
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ConsummateK at 05/15/2008 11:07
PIC you're in college? Huh....are you sure?
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nukka jdav at 05/15/2008 11:10
At first, I was fucking pissed about this game.

Now that I look at it objectively, it seems pretty interesting.

I'm still pretty nervous, but regardless I'll keep my eye on this one.
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Jim Sterling at 05/15/2008 11:11
""Also, companies "cater to fans" ALL the time to make money. They're called mindless sequels that do the same thing over and over because they know the fans will buy them. Dynasty Warriors anyone?"

And that's what you want from Banjo-Kazooie, is it? On the one hand you attack DW (as everyone seems to do because it's a lovely strawman when talking to me) as a mindless sequel, yet aren't happy with BK it's NOT a mindless sequel.

Work out what you want.
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Boolean at 05/15/2008 11:11
"This is no different than the Fallout fans attacking Bethesda because "zomg it's not Fallout." Um ... it IS Fallout. It is whatever the developer says it is, because frankly it's THEIR game."

Your telling me people wouldn't be pissed if Fallout 3 was a racing game? You're telling me you would be just as excited for "Fallout 3: Cooking Edition"?
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Rifter01 at 05/15/2008 11:11
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pic2021 at 05/15/2008 11:13
ConsummateK, nice come back and actually yeah i am.. i am standing behind a game i loved as a child and when i heard they were making a third one i was happy as hell... now they released this info saying "oh yeah were getting rid of that old game and making a new one" yeah i was pissed and i still am. :/
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Jim Sterling at 05/15/2008 11:15
"Your telling me people wouldn't be pissed if Fallout 3 was a racing game? You're telling me you would be just as excited for "Fallout 3: Cooking Edition"?"

If it looked like a good game? I would like it for sure. What the fuck does it matter whether it's part of the Fallout franchise if the game is good?
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Boolean at 05/15/2008 11:15
Also I should point out I've only played BK for like 4 hours, so my only problem with the game is I think it looks a tad boring. It's just that if a new version of X-com comes out and it's a space flight game (ahem), I could understand why people would be pissed.
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