If you're one of the fans prepared to take a steaming dump all over Banjo Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts because it dares to be such a big departure from previous games, you probably won't like what Gregg Mayles has to say.
In a chat with Rare Witch Project community members, BK's creator suggested that the game would be "around 80% vehicles." Banjo will get in and out of them all the time, but most of the traveling will be done by your self-built contraptions. Mayles is confident, however, that when you actually get your hands on it, you won't care that it's not exactly like past games.
"I know it is going to be tough for people to accept ... especially the old fans, but I believe they make the old games look limited and very outdated. People are always afraid of change," Mayles answered. "But change for the better is great, which is what I believe this game to be. It's going to take time for people to get it, I know!"
"... What you have seen so far only scratches the surface of what is possible. You'll have hours fo [sic] fun just making things - I'm sure of it! Banjo games were never really strong on replayability, whereas this one sure is."
Go and check out the full discussion, because it's packed full of information about the game and may set your mind at least partially to rest, since Mayles is incredibly confident in this title. After reading some of the things he had to say, I am very much looking forward to giving Nuts & Bolts a try, and so should you, you grumpy grouchy grouchfaces!
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Well, it's thier last throw of the die. They better anté up otherwise they're going the way of sonic team.
"I know it is going to be tough for people to accept ... especially the old fans"
Damn right it is.
Rare's taking a huge gamble here. Many fans already hate the direction they're taking it, so if Rare doesn't prove us all wrong and the game doesn't turn out to be that good (regardless of atmosphere or art direction, I mean in terms of gameplay) when it's released, it might just be the last nail in their coffin.
this game looks amaaaaazing. but rare is taking a huge chance by slapping 'banjo kazooie' in the title. if this was a new IP, you guys would be eating it up.
rabble rabble rabble
cuntbiscuits
I smell Kingdom Hearts Gummi ship. And shit.
Can anyone say were jealous of Ratchet and Clank. And do they really think this is on par with Galaxy? Up your arsenal .
I actually think it looks awesome. I love games where you can create and customize stuff.
Maybe this time around they'll be sure to add 130% fun and remove 100% of collectathon, or cancel this game to make something people really want, like some crappy N64 game manchildren sweat about.
All they had to do..was make it a new IP as Galagabug says and we'd be all "Woo random building crap".
This game would be AWESOME... if it wasn't a Banjo game.
Rare should be catering to their fans.. we just wanted another awesome platform from them..not a vehicle /platform hybrid.
I hope for the best but fear the worst.
fuck... I'll buy it but it better be fucking good
Will Tiptup the Turtle be in here? What about Timba the Tiger? Or the stupid yellow mouse? Badger guy? Conker Cameo? Let's do a Diddy Kong Racing crossover.
BTW, who remembers when Banjo was just the stupid bear in DKR that nobody played as?
But now I'm not interested in this game, now its just some spin off to me..
If anyone was thinking they stuck Banjo and Kazooie into "Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts." purely on namesake, put your minds at ease! For example players use "Banjoprints" to build vehicles. Some of these are the Banjo 4x4, Banjo Boat, Banjo Copter and Banjo Plane...
I heard BANJO is in this game too! BANJO!!!! DID YOU HEAR!?
I'm still going to buy the game, it looks fun, but it's not a banjo-kazooie game, plain and simple.
"Rare should be catering to their fans.. we just wanted another awesome platform from them..not a vehicle /platform hybrid. "
Ha. If companies only did things their rabid fanbase wanted 100% of the time, we'd see a shitload of bankruptcies.
I'm still looking forward to the game, I was just hoping for a good classic platformer on my 360. I'm a little wary if the game's going to have that much focus on vehicles, but at least effort is being made to evolve the series.
Let's hope it retains the humor of the previous Banjo games then...
While I must admit the lack of "platforming" is disappointing, Jim is fucking right. We should be praising Rare for having the balls to change things around. You certainly wouldn't find Nintendo making such drastic changes to the main Super Mario games, right?
So we should applaud this decision and hope for the best, seeing as how Rare has made some of the best games of all time throughout the years. I think we can put a tinsy bit of trust in them, regardless of atrocities like Grabbed by the Ghoulies. They deserve some fucking respect.
Oh, and can I create really tiny airplanes and hovercrafts?
@EDS
I agree to an extent but I do have to argue in that Mario Galaxy was nicely different from previous games. But not as much as this new Banjo game.
Well, thats it. This is not Banjo Kazooie. As far as I'm concerned, this is Banjo Pilot 2
Now time to
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKING SHIT
that being said, I'm still buying it the day it comes out
I like it when teams that have a good history of games try new stuff, but with the lack of classic platform games on the 360 it makes little sense why RARE wouldn't make this a platformer. Not that I won't get this game, but I'm now on the fence. Before I was going to get this, first day, regardless of previews or anything based on the fact that Banjo was a very fun platform game. What do I have now? ....(I won't buy a PS3...not until I need a Blu Ray player ate least.....)... Fingers crossed that Beyond Good and Evil is going to get a green light.... and end up on the 360.
"Rare should be catering to their fans"?
Really? REALLY??!! Is that the message we want to send to the big producers, don't you dare innovate, we want the same thing over and over again.
FFS, if Rare thinks that the new Banjo game would be better this way, than good on them. I hope they are right, just to shut you dimwits up.
I dont agree with EDS and Jim. Why not a new IP? Imagine if they made "Banjo Kazooie: Pinata Party!" how pissed would we be then? It's not a Banjo Kazooie game. Its in the same vein of the 3D Castlevania's.
You can "have balls" and change things up without turning a platformer into a lego racer.
this just in: fuck it then
"It's not a Banjo Kazooie game."
Do you honestly think you are more qualified to decide that than the man who, I dunno, INVENTED Banjo-Kazooie. Call me crazy, but I think if Greg Mayles says it's a Banjo game, then I'm going to take his word over it than some people who hate a franchise changing.
This is no different than the Fallout fans attacking Bethesda because "zomg it's not Fallout." Um ... it IS Fallout. It is whatever the developer says it is, because frankly it's THEIR game.
omg Metal Gear Acid is not a Metal Gear game guys!!!!
Am I the only person who thinks this looks great? I'm a fan of the previous Banjo Kazooie games, but I like that Rare is daring enough to change things up instead of rehashing their old ideas.
@EDS
I don't think anyone is annoyed that rare are trying new things, it's more that the game looks like it was something else with banjo-kazooie stuck on it, it seems alot like an idea first, character later kinda thing.
However, I still think it'll be a fun game, just not what you'd expect or want from a Banjo-Kazooie game, and, that cheap shot at nintendo felt alot more like a cheap shot to the fans, I mean, I can see what they're doing, and they're trying to grope in the 10,000 people that haven't even played banjo-kazooie before, but really? you do that with tanks, jets and boats?
Wow, how stereotypical of you rare, you think all 360 owners want is shooting and vechiles.
Kazooie can already fly and shoot (eggs) that's all I wanted.
Well, if they made the same game with Kameo characters, less people would buy it. I don't think the 360 needs a lego racer more than a good platformer though, so DO NOT WANT.
"it seems alot like an idea first, character later kinda thing."
And having talked to people before details of this game were even made public, I can confirm that this isn't true. Mayles wanted a Banjo game, but didn't want to retread old ground, so he's tried something different.
And read the discussion I linked to, please. You'll see it's got some really cool ideas and isn't just vehicle combat.
@JIM STERLING : the problem here is that they are presenting the game as a sequel, AC!D was a spinoff...
Reading it now, and, I'm not pretending I know anything more than what I can see from the trailer, that's just how it comes off as on me personally, it still looks awesome and fun.
I'm sure it's got alot of cool ideas, but from what we've seen so far it lacks alot of the style that the previous games had, can you honestly go back and watch the original E3 trailer then watch this current trailer and tell me they look related?
Personally, I think this is a good idea. Now granted, I'm biased. I've been way fucking tired of platformers for years and was COMPLETELY bored of Super Mario Galaxy by the time I had 10 stars. I'm just tired of the genre in general as it hasn't seemed to evolve much at all since Super Mario 64.
I still can't say I'd buy this as I've never even been a Banjo Kazooie fan (see statements about platformers), but after hearing this and seeing some of the game play video I can say I'm a lot more likely to buy it now than I was when I thought it would just be another goddamn platformer.
I don't argue the fact that this is his baby and that he can do whatever he wants and still call it Banjo-Kazooie. I DO reserve the right to say that from the limited shots and information I have I would rather this be another solid platformer then some wild deviation. You'll kindly excuse people for complaining about seeing one of their favorite IPs being turned on it's head, Jim.
Also, companies "cater to fans" ALL the time to make money. They're called mindless sequels that do the same thing over and over because they know the fans will buy them. Dynasty Warriors anyone?
"I agree to an extent but I do have to argue in that Mario Galaxy was nicely different from previous games. But not as much as this new Banjo game."
TopGearGorilla, it's because SMG basically just changed the environment and physics in the levels. The basic platforming, Goomba-stomping, Star-collecting mechanics were untouched. In BK:N&B, they're changing both the gameplay andsetting.
Looking back now, I think I overreacted when I first heard the news. The gameplay might be fun, but they had better keep a lot of the old charm and humor intact or the game will fall over like an unbalanced Jenga tower.
"Also, companies "cater to fans" ALL the time to make money. They're called mindless sequels that do the same thing over and over because they know the fans will buy them. Dynasty Warriors anyone?"
I love you.
Why on earth are comparing the vehicle building in this game to a barely fleshed out game mechanic from a PS2 Action RPG?
If Rare is building the game around vehcile construction, then it (hopefully!) shoudn't be as terrible as the Gummi Ship building minigame in Kingdom Hearts.
For the record, building vehciles seems like it will be super easy: those videos of the game make it look like you can jump to a vehicle builder at any time, no matter where you are! That, already, makes it a hell of a lot better than those gummi ship sequences.
Also, We know what happens when game makers cater exclusivly to their fan base: we get Zelda:Twilight Princess, the least enjoyable Zelda game since Zelda II! TP was a game nearly identical to its 10 year old namesake! Do we really want developers to be cranking out crap without ever thinking outside the box?
I'm working through the seven stages of grief with this game. I'm currently on anger, and (maybe) I'll work around to acceptance by the time it comes out. Maybe.
I don't quite understand the problem banjo fans claim to have about the new direction the game is taking.
People, for some reason, never seem to get exhausted playing the same exact game again and again and again and again and again and again.
And it's not just the internet hate machine, it's also the gaming press.
Video game titles that repeat the same exact bullshit we've been playing for decades seem to garner praise from everyone.
Take shit like twilight princess, metroid prime 3, or super mario galaxy for the wii.
The graphics are the same, the story is worse, and the game mechanics have gone completely unchanged with the exception of a light gun, the same light gun we've been playing with at arcades for DECADES... Despite this, they review and sells quite well, proof that consumers cannot come to bear with seeing old beloved franchises change.
This sounds like its going to be very cool. If anyone can pull this off, its Rare. I seriously cannot understand what the fuss is. And yes, i did enjoy Banjo-Kazooie in its day, but come on people - its 10 years old now! If they made the same game again with pretty graphics, wouldnt that be everything you 'apparently' despise about the video game industry?
<----- disappointed . . . but still hopeful
@slapme7times
Yes, because Twilight Princess got great scores all across the board!
In going back and playing Banjo Kazooie and Banjo Tooie, I hunger for more of that. The games are still wicked fun after all this time. Hell, I played Banjo Kazooie from start to finish in the last few days. I couldnt put it down, and played for 3-4 hours at a time.
Banjo Tooie was taking the core elements of Banjo Kazooie, and upgrading them. Bigger levels, more variety of challenges, more moves, etc.
Thats what I want. Take Banjo Tooie, and make it bigger, prettier, more moves, more challenges. Does it mean Im stuck in 1998? FUCK YES. Does it mean I want more of the same? FUCK YES.
That being said, I'm not saying its going to be a bad game. I'm sure it will be a lot of fun, and I'm sure that I will have fun playing it. Now that I think about it, my first comment was a major overreaction.
I say good for Rare. New things are good. And this is a perfect way to get guys like me to try out a Banjo-Kazooie game as I was never really interested in the original collection fests. This however interests me and will most likely get fans of the series to get it and love it anyways.
Either one of 2 things will happen either it will be great & fun or it will suck,but if it sucks they can still go back and do a classic platformer down the track. Its not like this is gonna be the last banjo game ever made. And have some faith in rare people, its not like their sonic team & just pump out shit year after year and dont care haha
@jesus
It's been ten years since the last banjo game, if this one bombs, who says it wont be the last?
all i got to say is i am in love with KING3VBO, he is 100% f-in right. banjo kazooie and banjo tooie rock.. i love those games so much and i still play them to this day... i am in college and i still bust out my n64 to play these 2 games because they are THAT fun! all you guys that are saying this is a move in the right direction for the francise is completely WRONG. this game maybe cool if theywould just make it a whole new franchise but NO they are destroying a beloved franchise that i grew up playing and remember to this day and i STILL laugh at it always. we dont need stupid cars in banjo kazooie! be have kazooie to run us everywhere! i want another one of those games! make the levels bigger and much nicer! and i have one demand that rare HAS to follow........ YOU BETTER STILL USE THE STUPID NOISES FOR THE VOICES AND USE SUBTITLES!!!!!!!!! i do not want to see banjo or kazooie actually speak english or anything... those rambling for voices is the best thing ever in those games!
Calm the fuck down jesus christ.
PIC you're in college? Huh....are you sure?
At first, I was fucking pissed about this game.
Now that I look at it objectively, it seems pretty interesting.
I'm still pretty nervous, but regardless I'll keep my eye on this one.
""Also, companies "cater to fans" ALL the time to make money. They're called mindless sequels that do the same thing over and over because they know the fans will buy them. Dynasty Warriors anyone?"
And that's what you want from Banjo-Kazooie, is it? On the one hand you attack DW (as everyone seems to do because it's a lovely strawman when talking to me) as a mindless sequel, yet aren't happy with BK it's NOT a mindless sequel.
Work out what you want.
"This is no different than the Fallout fans attacking Bethesda because "zomg it's not Fallout." Um ... it IS Fallout. It is whatever the developer says it is, because frankly it's THEIR game."
Your telling me people wouldn't be pissed if Fallout 3 was a racing game? You're telling me you would be just as excited for "Fallout 3: Cooking Edition"?
ConsummateK, nice come back and actually yeah i am.. i am standing behind a game i loved as a child and when i heard they were making a third one i was happy as hell... now they released this info saying "oh yeah were getting rid of that old game and making a new one" yeah i was pissed and i still am. :/
"Your telling me people wouldn't be pissed if Fallout 3 was a racing game? You're telling me you would be just as excited for "Fallout 3: Cooking Edition"?"
If it looked like a good game? I would like it for sure. What the fuck does it matter whether it's part of the Fallout franchise if the game is good?
Also I should point out I've only played BK for like 4 hours, so my only problem with the game is I think it looks a tad boring. It's just that if a new version of X-com comes out and it's a space flight game (ahem), I could understand why people would be pissed.
i agree with wat most of u r sayin. it would be cool if it didnt have the bk logo on it. they should cater to thier fans in this instance, but i also agree wit wat jim said. maybe if fans were more loyal to thier companies we wouldnt see these change-for-the-worse games. if they make a sequel that is similar to the other games, dont tear them apart for it.
I like the game's concept, but I personally think a different franchise would better fit the game. Like Lego or something.
I'm sure it'll be awesome, but I don't know if it'll have the same Banjo feel. But if you'll notice, this is "Banjo Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts", not "Banjo-Threeie". Spin-off maybe?
fans are loyal to the companies.. we buy the games to support their works but when you totally throw out something we love were going to get pissed... and i cant stand rare. yeah im probably going to buy this game because they said they are keeping some of the elements from the old ones like my man mumbo jumbo! but all in all im pissed
@Boolean
But it's not a racing game (though I'm sure it will have some races in it). The way I read it (from the videos) it IS a platformer except you're platforming WITH vehicles (that you can dynamically change for the situation) instead of walking around and platforming/exploring. Personally, I think that's a pretty cool idea.
Plus it's not like this game is called Banjo 3 so why is everyone so mad that it's even in the universe?
I'm really excited for this next evolution of platforming (which is what Gregg Mayles specifically called it in the interview). Giving players more than ~12 abilities to solve problems via nearly limitless tools is exactly the way to do it.
From what I can tell, the game will still have the same spirit, but the mechanics are now expanded upon exponentially. Instead of using a bird-flip to reach nearly all higher elevations, we can utilize vehicles' unique components any way we'd like.
@PIC2021 - For someone in college, you sure sound a lot more like I did when the BK games first came out. If you want to think the game was all about running around on a bird, then you might not even be capable of understanding the mechanics that are being introduced. I always thought it was about overcoming obstacles with a growing set of abilities throughout the game. That seems exactly like what we see here.
The difference with Banjo-kazooie is that those two games stood fine on their own, and we were promised another, traditional Banjo game for Ten years and never got it, the difference here is that banjo-kazooie has only had two (true) games, and both of them were best-sellers, and Banjo-Kazooie one and two in themselves shaked up the gameplay enough as it is, this new game looks like it's been shaken so violently that they're crossing into another genre.
Again, there's nothing wrong with what they're doing, alot of fans just find it insulting that they're dressing it up as if this was always intended to be a banjo game, where it wasn't, it was an idea first, and this is much more evident after watching [url=http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/BlindsideDork/rare-s-vehicle-builder-feat-banjo-kazooie--86107.phtml]this[/url video.
We made another banjo game but found it tedious so we tried this idea with banjo.
I agree 100% with King, but the more time that passes, the more I calm down about it and accept what Rare is offering us here. I mean, those guys made a pinata breeding simulation work, so this has a good shot of working. It looks pretty fun, so I'm going to give it a chance.. but still think back to what could have been every now and then.
What really worries me, is Kazooie. It bugs me that we hardly see her pop outta the backpack during the gameplay we've been shown. She was always my favorite character of the duo, and now that Banjo relies mostly on vehicles, what role will she play? Besides wielding that huge laser gun thingy, anyway..
That was odd, trying this link again.
The fact is, this game doesn't look good..... Hours of replayabilty !=being able to put 2 guns on your boat or 5 guns in different places on your boat....
"If it looked like a good game? I would like it for sure. What the fuck does it matter whether it's part of the Fallout franchise if the game is good?"
Because that means Fallout 3 the adventure game people were hoping for might not happen for another 4-5 years, if ever. This could be the best game ever released on a console, but just as Fallout Cooking Adventures might be the best game ever made, it's not what a lot of people wanted...they wanted Fallout 3. It's like waiting in line for Mass Effect for 2 days, then when you get there the clerk hands you GTA IV, then when you say "This isn't what I wanted" his excuse is "But it's a good game, a BETTER game, what the fucks your problem?". The simple answer is, it’s not what people were expecting and its unfair to call them a cunt over that.
As a person who has hardly played the games it does not really bother me one way or the other, all I’m saying is I understand why people are pissed.
@PIC2021 - So, your "man mumbo jumbo!" is a gameplay element?
I thought he was a character. His in-game abilities which transformed Banjo and Kazooie into other beings seems a lot like the entire focus of this new evolved platforming....
Hmmm... it seems ironic that you're such a fan of Mumbo Jumbo, yet against the new style of platforming.
"We made another banjo game but found it tedious so we tried this idea with banjo."
How can that quote be construed as anything but good? They tried another traditional game, but it was tedious. They did not want to release a tedious game, so they tried a different approach. How is that bad?
Pass