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Avatars a 'logical extension' for Xbox. MS didn't copy Nintendo after all photo

When Microsoft unveiled its innovative new Mii idea to the world, a lot of people erroneously believed that Microsoft had copied Nintendo in a cynical attempt to capture some of the mythical "casual" market that never existed until 2006. Microsoft, however, has set the record straight about its innovative new Mii idea, claiming that Avatars were the result of logic and not mimicry.

"It’d be remiss to say that we don’t enjoy playing on the other systems and we have a lot of respect for the work that Miyamoto-san and Nintendo do," stated Xbox Live boss John Schappert. "But I think it’s a logical extension of our Gamercard, Gamertag and Achievements."

"People want to personalize their Gamertag and so when we look to the future and think about building a brand new Xbox experience, Avatars is a logical extension of that innovation. I think it’s another avenue of self-expression and there are a lot of opportunities here for consumers."

There, I hope that's set the record straight and silences those wagging tongues forevermore. Shame on you jaded gamers for thinking that Avatars were anything but the result of Microsoft's ever-impressive originality. Shame on you indeed. 








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HarassmentPanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 09:26
HarassmentPanda
Didn't you mean miimicry? C'mon, really drag this joke out:

It’d be remiiss to say that wii don’t enjoy playing on the other systems and wii have a lot of respect for the work that Miiyamoto-san and Nintendo do," stated Xbox Live boss John Schappert. "But I think it’s a logical extension of our Gamiircard, Gamiirtag and Achiivemiints."
michiyoyoshiku's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 09:26
michiyoyoshiku
Who besides Jihad Crying nintendo fanboys care anyway?

A good idea is a good idea even if the idea was used in a slightly different form elsewhere. What works works and this will work and probably better than the Miis do.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 09:29
Jim Sterling
michiyoyoshiku:

Hey, I totally agree that a good idea is a good idea worth doing, but it's the fact that MS has the gall to call it "innovation" on their part that makes me laugh.
Lightthrower's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 09:30
Lightthrower
Love your sarcasm Jim ;-).
wonky360's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 09:32
wonky360
I hate the look, they look like a first attempt at 3d human modelling, too fussy and emotionless for me. They should look a bit more Jap/Pop culture or like the characters in Little Big Planet which are considered. Even a basic shape can look good with a bit of consideration - look at Qees and other novelty toys to see what a bit of thought can do.
Alexradl's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 09:34
Alexradl
Michiyoyoshiku:

Who ever said it was a good idea in the first place?
dephect's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 09:42
dephect
"But I think it’s a logical extension of our Gamercard, Gamertag and Achievements"

How does the above statement set the record straight?

Anyways, I dont care if its a good idea or a bad idea, more options and features is well... more options and features.
Trevsweb's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 09:50
Trevsweb
Even though its not original at all the avatars at least will be used and seen. Nintendos closed mindedness on online and proper games has meant the miis are left in the dark and no real point to them, minus wiisports 1/resort. while xbox has a online community to use this for good. like hey lets play an avatar based game with friends while the wii-miis are there going so have you got my 12 didget wii code entered in yet.

Wheither its orignal or not a better use of the idea has been set in motion. i agree with the innovaion crap but its an innovation in the way its been attached to the already thriving (compared to ps3/wii) online network.

i think keeping it fun and cheerful too will help the appeal as a realistic home-esq look of people will most likely want me to hurl, knowing some of the people on my xbox list i think its for the best theyre never represented in a photo realistic way.
AlarmedMidget's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 09:51
AlarmedMidget
What everyone is failing to realize here is that the inclusion of Avatars doesn't effect the game play. So what is the big deal? Don't we get game systems to play games on, not because they have "Miis, Trophies, or Gamercards"? I know that is why I own game systems, maybe I am in the minority here.
HarassmentPanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 09:55
HarassmentPanda
Knowing Microsoft, the Avatars will be very different from Miis:

First, you'll have to buy a 360 version of LightWave 3D for a mere 32,000 Microsoft Points. However, Microsoft Points will only be sold in groups of 35,000.

Then you'll have to wait on a lengthy download that will require an update by the time you are ready to run the software. The update will fix menu glitches, but break your ability to share Avatars online.

Once you finally get the software up and running, you'll have to render your own 3D model to be used as an avatar. However, Microsoft will fear 3D penises and only allow people on your friend's list to see your creation -- replacing it with a 3D model of Master Chief covered in Mountain Dew logos for the general public.

Finally, if you ever want to play games on a friend's Xbox, sorry, but you'll have to re-download LightWave on that Xbox and transfer your DRM authorization via their web-based tool.

See Jim, it is innovative! Avatars are more advanced, safe from piracy, and great for the casual crowd!
taterchimp's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 09:57
taterchimp
Outrage! The 360 copied the Wii! Even worse, the 'mii' is just a cheap soulless copy of the Gaia avatar. By slapping on a different name and changing features and using it in a different way, they have severly ripped off everything I love! Also, I cant believe how Destructoid lets us shamlessly copy M$ gamerpics with the pictures we can put next to our names!

/sarcasm.

Seriously though...avatars were around a while ago, and to assume that the wii was the first successful use of them or something?

Just another side of the argument. : P
wardrox's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 09:59
wardrox
Oh Xbox 360, why are you trying to drive away everybody?
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 10:01
BlindsideDork
NO MOAR DOWNLOADS!!!

I got nothing and going through online withdraw.
Sphinx 13's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 10:02
Sphinx 13
I'm kinda pissed I'm gonna have to look at this kid lookin crap all the time, and have it shoved down my throat when I want to see my friends list.

What a waste by MS on something that was lame the first time around, and yes, it is going to be the Mii60 now.
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 10:10
Timmeh
The guy was clearly talking about gamertags/cards/whatever being an innovation. Maybe I'm mistaken but Nintendo & Sony weren't doing that first?

Of course if you wanted to be a dick you could say that Nintendo totally stole the idea of mii from that horrible WeeMee thing on MSN Messenger and whoever came up with XMB probably did it while using the menu on his Media Center PC.

I guess it's just cooler to call out Microsoft though eh?
Phantom Spaceman's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 10:12
Phantom Spaceman
I hope I can buy some sweet CoG armor for mine, I don't want a little man perpetually stuck in a button-down shirt
Niero's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 10:12
Niero
Its kind of weird that the rendering representation is squarely in the middle of Mii and PS3's home.
teach4food's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 10:23
teach4food
Its about time Microsoft allowed customization of the gamercard. Picking new gamerpics really isn't customization. It might even give us something to spend our achievement points on. Who cares who did it first anyways, isn't the whole concept so 1999?
Kaspar's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 10:29
Kaspar
Waiter, take this shit away, I didn't order this kiddy ripoff.
kielejocain's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 10:41
kielejocain
I love this new sentiment that anything not adult/gory is "kiddy" and not worth my time.

Conservative blowhards are right; video games are ruining you all.
Alexradl's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 10:45
Alexradl
Kielejocain:

Who ever said that?
Alexradl's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 10:45
Alexradl
Oh, never mind, I didn't see kaspar's comment :/
ChronicLogic's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 10:52
ChronicLogic
personalize? Why don't you just have a link to facebook under your avatar while your at it.
kagai's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 10:52
kagai
I only fhree years old. Me likey cute dollies. Heehee.
Jatari's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 10:53
Jatari
I'm imagining the possibility of MS actually trying to get us to buy more stuff for these new avatars on Xbox live! New clothes, useless props, new hair styles...I'm sorry but your mullet is not included with the default avatar set, either buy this new hair style on Xbox live for about 800 points, or shave your head in real life to match your bald avatar!
mikeyed's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 11:22
mikeyed
Yes, I always thought that the one thing the 360 was missing was a bunch of fan-made avatars about absolutely everything.
artson1966's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 11:23
artson1966
I cant remeber when Microsoft had it's own original thought let alone the abilty to create it's own software with out mimicing someone elses success. windows=mac, explorer=netscape, xbox=ps2, messenger=aol need i give more examples.
Quest's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 11:28
Quest
M$ innovative = epic fail
mikeyed's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 11:35
mikeyed
What does word equal?
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 11:42
Aaron Mxy Yost
Being able to make annoying looking cartoon avatars has been around the internet long before Nintendo did it with the Mii.
Wack's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 11:45
Wack
Prediction: MS Home is announced, developed, tested, released before Playstation Home.

eh?

eh?
Rifter01's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 11:49
Rifter01
Is it just me or is that chica named Lackluster??

I want my avatar to be a little emo.
Crunshii's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 11:50
Crunshii
funny that MS claims innovation when the only reason their doing this is because Wii & PS3 are doing their original thing, and MS is just making a rehash of both of them.

So sad, they had the potential to actually create something totally bad ass, like exaggerated characters that look like monsters, dwarf, stuff like FPS/WoW. Nope, instead they steal Nintendo's boring Miis... nope MS cant be original, to risky, we leave that to Nintendo and Sony.
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 12:31
Timmeh
"...nope MS cant be original, to risky, we leave that to Nintendo and Sony."

lol, sarcasm? Or does it not count because they ripped off stuff available for donkey's years on the PC, rather than another console?
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 12:48
Bob Muir
I'm really sick of people getting mad when one company "copies" another company's idea that works. The only problem here is that no one wants more retarded-looking avatars.
Blake's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 13:00
Blake
I don't care about MS Miis.

I just want to know where this "Casual Market" was all this time, and why they had to come out and bring wagglefest fail with them.
cjpkiller's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 13:35
cjpkiller
fuck you microsoft
I have a personalized gamertag, I have a nice picture of kage from vf5 on it.
I DON'T WANT YOUR NINTENDO SHIT ON MY XBOX
if I wanted a mii, I'd buy a wii.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 13:42
pedrovay2003
Well I'm glad we cleared that up. Microsoft copied Nintendo. :P
konchu's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 14:21
konchu
Though it is true MS does take a lot of ideas that are out there they also polish those ideas. MS Office for example was not an entirely original idea. There was a whole area of office applications such as Word Perfect(Word), Dbase and Fox Pro(Access), Lotus 123(excel) that they made there version of for there platform windows. But they had the vision with these products and saw the importance of interoperability between these apps why can't you put a spreadsheet in a doc why cant you link data in a spreadsheet to database.

Really I think with live they tried to do the same thing. They said voice chat and messaging will be standardized across all games. Matchmaking also standardized and I don't know that some people truly understand what that meant. I can pull out a copy of Worms 3d for my xbox and still play it online, of course no one is playing it now but I can if I want to ask my friends to play some ancient game with me. Now MS did finally bend to EA and some other Devs with 360 to allow them to run their own servers which is both a good and bad thing, it grants more features and control but does limit the longevity of the game to how long the servers are maintained(I really wish more games had the ability to host servers yourself). But from Patches to online interactions MS has built a solid ship with Live(even if they did do as hot with hardware reliability).

So yes MS is taking a queue from the competition here but they polishing it too in their ways. I really think things like the 1 vs 100 and uno rush game competitions have potential. They have been running contest like these for a while but to have a place to find current events and contest going on is a great community feature. These are casual titles but I think even core gamers like some casual play but hey this could easily spill into the core games. I am sure there will be tons of there own touches and ideas buried beneath MS's Mii's but really does it matter they are all just taking ideas that existed and making them their own with their little tweaks.

Nintendo did not invent the avatar nor did Sony. The area I see MS really copying is the using of a standardized avatar in multiple games as part of a SDK but I think both avatars and Home have more potential to take these further since they are not onlineaphobic. Even Sony took a cue from Mii's in there Home and probably some cue's from social games like second life but that does not diluter their little touches that make Home a Sony Product. I'm sure Avatars will innovate in their own way just like Home will and hopefully Nintendo will continue to.
kawitchate's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 15:10
kawitchate
scanned the comments for someone to refer to Microsoft as "M$" - i was not disappointed.

innovation indeed.
nanowerx's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 15:24
nanowerx
...and Nintendo copied Sega with an analog stick on the N64. Get over it people....go complain about the economy or something else worthy of lost breath. Where was the hoopla when Sony decided to start using Achievements? They directly copied the Xbox and I dont remember hearing much fuss about it. So who gives a fuck, really?
RAB's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 18:32
RAB
i fucking hate the idea
DemonEyes23's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 19:11
DemonEyes23
avatars and mii's are stupid period
DemonEyes23's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 19:13
DemonEyes23
wait i retract that statement childish avatars without any style such as what xbox and wii now offer are stupid period....now if sack boys were to become avatars for ps3 i'd be happy those little fucks are the shit
Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 19:16
Excel-2011
I hear they're coming out with digital numbers.
Agnostic's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/01/2008 20:16
Agnostic
I'm all for AVATARS if mine will simulate masturbation, vomits, and flips the bird. That would be innovation.
nintendoll's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/02/2008 05:12
nintendoll
With this, I will be able to confuse people by having the gamertag Nintendoll whilst having a male avatar.

My dream of being an improperly proportioned man on the internets can now be fulfilled! Hooray!
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