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Yeah, in Germany our Govmnt is starting of in that direction too.
They used child-pornography as the main reason, why they had to implement a censor-infrastructure. Problem is that now, that the law is thru, one of the conservatives (CDU) stepped forwarded and wants to block "killerspiele"-websites too.
A lot of protests had been staged, but they have such a huge majority, that they can do what they want.
They used child-pornography as the main reason, why they had to implement a censor-infrastructure. Problem is that now, that the law is thru, one of the conservatives (CDU) stepped forwarded and wants to block "killerspiele"-websites too.
A lot of protests had been staged, but they have such a huge majority, that they can do what they want.
0..o Wow. That is just sad, bet they can't wait until all those old broads in office die off. That's worse then fucking Germany.
Man, this is so disappointing. Australia has always seemed like a really cool place--the sort of place I might want to live one day--if it weren't for its insane government and their "standards." Here's to hoping that things change, and that nonsense like this doesn't stick around for long.
...what?
I did not see this one coming. I couldn't feel more sorry for Australians at the moment. Proxy servers are your new friends.
I did not see this one coming. I couldn't feel more sorry for Australians at the moment. Proxy servers are your new friends.
Reasoned things have been posted, so i'm just going to reinforce that this is absolutely 'effing insane...
Yeah, I think this is something that will go by in some years, IF we move our asses and do something about it. It's really a generation thing, I think. Most of the politicians don't really have any idea about gaming or the web.
I'll admit I'm pretty ignorant about how other countries block content. Can't proxy servers help out with this problem?
"Potentially Bannable"?
What the fuck? That is like saying "we will ban anything that kinda maybe disturbs me, maybe if I am nauseous one day too, yeah"
What the fuck? That is like saying "we will ban anything that kinda maybe disturbs me, maybe if I am nauseous one day too, yeah"
Good thing the brazilian government doesn't gives shet about games!
They once ban Everquest and Counter Strike here, but they regreted that decision and made them legal again.
They once ban Everquest and Counter Strike here, but they regreted that decision and made them legal again.
Thank you jim for bringing up Thomas the Tank Engine this weekend b4 i head to college.
o and that is pretty shittastic of aussieland to be doing this. i mean this is a sign of the impending collapse of the internet ads a realm of potential not unlike the roman empire.
o and that is pretty shittastic of aussieland to be doing this. i mean this is a sign of the impending collapse of the internet ads a realm of potential not unlike the roman empire.
This is a real shame. Thing is the only people that have the power to change this bs, is aussie citizens themselves. Get out there and protest, for your freedoms are being stolen under a false guise of fear.
Aussie gamers and net users, if you do not act, you will be prisoners of your government. How long before they go down the Iran/China route, and start censoring anti government websites? There will be no end to it, so you must all organise yourselves and stand up and be counted.
Its true, it is about a generation gap. Those in power don't even want to try to understand the younger people and what they like. Better to just ban/block them.
Don't forget, ISP receive your money. It only takes a lot of you calling to cancel you accounts to quash this. ISPs will panic because of losing customers and back out of blocking such material. Overall, they have the switches and there's little chances of the government closing ISPs down.
You, the aussie people pay their bills and can seriously hurt their business. Just tell them if material is going to be blocked, you'll close your account. If an ISP received a few thousand calls like this, they'd have to act, as that's a lot of money they'd be losing. Sure, it may sound crazy, but its worth a try.
If Twitter can rally a nation to seek freedom from oppression, you aussies need to use the net to your advantage too, of forever be jailbirds.
Remember, the government should fear the people, not the other way around. Don't let them get their way.
Aussie gamers and net users, if you do not act, you will be prisoners of your government. How long before they go down the Iran/China route, and start censoring anti government websites? There will be no end to it, so you must all organise yourselves and stand up and be counted.
Its true, it is about a generation gap. Those in power don't even want to try to understand the younger people and what they like. Better to just ban/block them.
Don't forget, ISP receive your money. It only takes a lot of you calling to cancel you accounts to quash this. ISPs will panic because of losing customers and back out of blocking such material. Overall, they have the switches and there's little chances of the government closing ISPs down.
You, the aussie people pay their bills and can seriously hurt their business. Just tell them if material is going to be blocked, you'll close your account. If an ISP received a few thousand calls like this, they'd have to act, as that's a lot of money they'd be losing. Sure, it may sound crazy, but its worth a try.
If Twitter can rally a nation to seek freedom from oppression, you aussies need to use the net to your advantage too, of forever be jailbirds.
Remember, the government should fear the people, not the other way around. Don't let them get their way.
Craigslist, eBay, Amazon, BestBuy, etc? This is either going to be very easy (and reasonably expensive) to get around or it's going to be iron-clad for a very short while before the Australian government realsies that it's being unreasonable and fucking stupid.
How the fuck will I buy games I can't find in stores any more..? How the fuck the.. What the fucking.. Fuck this fucking country, Fuck you Kevin Rudd.
This is stupid!
In other news, Jim, where did your post go on that contest? I've been working on my picture only to find that post...gone?
In other news, Jim, where did your post go on that contest? I've been working on my picture only to find that post...gone?
I agree its amazingly daft to even consider this course of action valid. I still have faith that this is not going to go ahead, there are many people that appose it and the only reason its there is because of this dickhead communications minister Stephen Conroy.
He seriously needs to be booted out on his arse.
He seriously needs to be booted out on his arse.
I think this is the most interesting part of the original article:
"Mark Newton, an ISP engineer and internet filtering critic, said the move to extend the filtering to computer games would place a cloud over online-only games such as World of Warcraft and Second Life, which aren't classified in Australia due to their online nature.
He said the online distribution of such games has historically been exempt from customs controls on RC material because they have only ever covered physical articles.
"That exemption is the only reason why multi-player games with user-generated environments are possible in this country; without it, it'd only take one game user anywhere in the world to produce objectionable content in the game environment to make the Australian Government ban the game for everyone," said Newton."
"Mark Newton, an ISP engineer and internet filtering critic, said the move to extend the filtering to computer games would place a cloud over online-only games such as World of Warcraft and Second Life, which aren't classified in Australia due to their online nature.
He said the online distribution of such games has historically been exempt from customs controls on RC material because they have only ever covered physical articles.
"That exemption is the only reason why multi-player games with user-generated environments are possible in this country; without it, it'd only take one game user anywhere in the world to produce objectionable content in the game environment to make the Australian Government ban the game for everyone," said Newton."
If you live in Australia, be sure to let Stephen Conroy what you think about this piece of incredibly asinine government censorship: minister@dbcde.gov.au
This is just part of the government's larger desire to 'protect' us from teh internet by filtering it, something that angers and frightens me at the same time.
This is just part of the government's larger desire to 'protect' us from teh internet by filtering it, something that angers and frightens me at the same time.
The thought it frightening, but I can't actually see this bill being passed because of 1 thing: Money.
The Australian government can go and make a fuss about "Ideals" and "Protecting the Children of Tomorrow" right now, but when it comes down to multi-billion dollar companies wanting to do business in our country, you know there's now way the government will turn them down. All it will take is for Activision, EA, Sony or Microsoft to even start throwing their weight around, and the politicians will fold, be it for the good of the local industry, for just for the sake of their own wallets.
The Australian government can go and make a fuss about "Ideals" and "Protecting the Children of Tomorrow" right now, but when it comes down to multi-billion dollar companies wanting to do business in our country, you know there's now way the government will turn them down. All it will take is for Activision, EA, Sony or Microsoft to even start throwing their weight around, and the politicians will fold, be it for the good of the local industry, for just for the sake of their own wallets.
What a bunch of douchebags. Look at what happened when the US tried to ban alcohol. That didn't work, this won't work as well. What a bunch of power-mad assholes.
Yay for living in New Zealand where R18 games sell regularly and not in Australia!
What is it now, North Korea?
What is it now, North Korea?
Stephen Conroy is an ignorant twit, plain and simple. And thanks to the recent happenings in our Government ('ute-gate' -_-) I really don't want to vote for either at the next election.
This is a mix of insanity and politics that makes me want to puke.
Australians cant be that stupid, they got to do something.
Australians cant be that stupid, they got to do something.
We have.
The public opinion on the proposed internet censorship thing has being overwhelmingly negative, and yet our Government has pushed on ahead with the trial anyway. You just have to watch some of the talk-back shows that have talked about the issue to find that the only people in favour of the censorship are ill-informed morons and Christian extremists.
The public opinion on the proposed internet censorship thing has being overwhelmingly negative, and yet our Government has pushed on ahead with the trial anyway. You just have to watch some of the talk-back shows that have talked about the issue to find that the only people in favour of the censorship are ill-informed morons and Christian extremists.
"Yay for living in New Zealand where R18 games sell regularly and not in Australia!"
As a fellow New Zealander I see this having an effect on us too. I'd say about half, maybe more of the people we play with online with are Aussies.
As a fellow New Zealander I see this having an effect on us too. I'd say about half, maybe more of the people we play with online with are Aussies.
You expected anything else from a prison colony?
Fuck you.
As a proud anglo-australian.... this is completely fucked.
When will they ever learn. I hope this isn't Rudd's doing, because I thought he was smarter than this.
Fuck you.
As a proud anglo-australian.... this is completely fucked.
When will they ever learn. I hope this isn't Rudd's doing, because I thought he was smarter than this.
Jesus Christ... Most of the best reviewed games made these days are Mature/18+ rated. As gaming is my absolute biggest hobby and enjoyment in life, I wouldnt hesitate on moving to another country if my government tried to pull off a similar stunt.
Australians: You have my deepest sympathy...
Australians: You have my deepest sympathy...
@Conan
"Fuck you."
First they refuse us a R18+ rating, based on the fact all state generals must agree on the change. It was down to 1 60 year old to say yes! But he refuses to because he thinks it will destroy 'children'!
They then open it up to public discussion to try and change his mind (his idea) he takes all the comments, even the very articulate convincing ones and still says 'no'. It was like he was messing with us! Then, when we are down, they kick us in the face, restricting our chances to even import the f$*$ing games!
I have never enjoyed the state of life here! As gamers and intellectuals are hated and ridiculed from a young age here, and especially in their older years! Gaming is catching on more here, but at age 19, if you admit to random people my age you game, you are frowned at and ridiculed. The bogans (Chavs) are held in higher regard in this country. All i can simply think about Australia atm, is FUCK this country!
"Fuck you."
First they refuse us a R18+ rating, based on the fact all state generals must agree on the change. It was down to 1 60 year old to say yes! But he refuses to because he thinks it will destroy 'children'!
They then open it up to public discussion to try and change his mind (his idea) he takes all the comments, even the very articulate convincing ones and still says 'no'. It was like he was messing with us! Then, when we are down, they kick us in the face, restricting our chances to even import the f$*$ing games!
I have never enjoyed the state of life here! As gamers and intellectuals are hated and ridiculed from a young age here, and especially in their older years! Gaming is catching on more here, but at age 19, if you admit to random people my age you game, you are frowned at and ridiculed. The bogans (Chavs) are held in higher regard in this country. All i can simply think about Australia atm, is FUCK this country!
This is a pile of crap. We shouldn't have to put up with what government feels like doing these days. If we let them get away with this, they're just going to ban more.
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