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Aussie youth worker blames videogames for knife fights photo

In Australia, knife fights are all the rage among the kids. A youth worker has decided not to blame the rise in knife crime on anything tangible, like poor upbringing and a lack of discipline, but has decided to blame something unrelated, because that's a lot more trendy. Henceforth, videogames now cause knife fights.

"Normally they'd have a fight and people might ring around them, and it would be one-on-one, and when one [child fell] to the ground it would be over," says Les Twentyman, waxing nostalgic about youth combat. "But today that is not the case because of the amount of violent entertainment that these young people are absorbing. They lose sight of reality and become desensitized."

Amusingly enough, Australia is the country that bans most of the violent games that are released. So really, if we're going to play the "make up tenuous links to pass the buck" game, why don't we instead claim that it's because games get banned that there are knife fights? You can't doubt that there is a correlation. Because Left 4 Dead 2 got banned, people fight with knives. Logic for the win!

Games Turning AU Kids Into Knife Wielders [GamePolitics]








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pokota's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 11:07
pokota
Yes, videogames where also the reason for the popularity of knife fights during the 1950's. It's so obvious. And you know that whole thing with the Huns killing everyone in their path? Videogames. Attila was big into the Grand Theft Equine franchise.
snake6phw's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 11:08
snake6phw
I've never seen a more perfect combination of picture and story. It made my day.
HawkeyedOne's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 11:13
HawkeyedOne
I've actually taken a slightly difference stance since reading "Grand Theft Childhood". While it is true that MOST people wont go out and kill people because they play a violent video game, the researchers for "Grand Theft Childhood" DID find a coorelation between violent video games and increased aggression at lower levels (bullying, fighting, destroying property, etc.) in young children. It is arguable which one causes what, so that should be looked into. In no way am I saying that video games cause knife-fighting. I'm saying that there is a coorelation. Maybe kids play video games to practice their knife fighting. Who knows?
LazyAza's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 11:13
LazyAza
A child was actually killed at his school by another wielding a knife yesterday here in Aus. After watching the news I knew it was only a matter of time until video games were blamed.
SBC Slam's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 11:16
SBC Slam
You're no better than they are, Jim! You leave Crocodile Dundee out of this! The knife fights aren't his fault, either! He was just protecting himself!
HawkeyedOne's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 11:16
HawkeyedOne
I've actually taken a slightly difference stance since reading "Grand Theft Childhood". While it is true that MOST people wont go out and kill people because they play a violent video game, the researchers for "Grand Theft Childhood" DID find a coorelation between violent video games and increased aggression at lower levels (bullying, fighting, destroying property, etc.) in young children. It is arguable which one causes what, so that should be looked into. In no way am I saying that video games cause knife-fighting. I'm saying that there is a coorelation. Maybe kids play video games to practice their knife fighting. Who knows?
Rammstein's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 11:17
Rammstein
Crocodile Dundee: "That's not a knoyfe, THIS *shink!* is a knoyfe!"

Black Guy: "I see you've played knifey-spooney before."
Gilgamesh1317's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 11:20
Gilgamesh1317
...Dammit, I can't think of a "This is a knife" joke to fit the article.
Cartman's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 11:20
Cartman
THIS IS A KNOYFE
zanthox's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 11:21
zanthox
Clearly they are not banning ENOUGH violent video games. I guess they should ban all knives, sharp sticks, and even sticks that are just big enough to hit other people with. That should fix this, right?
Exrecaller's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 11:27
Exrecaller
HawkeyedOne : perfect example of the idiotic masses who get swayed by statistics and correlations. Reads one article or book, based on one research, then goes paranoid (or doubts himself). Then he'll read something else saying the opposite and will be convinced by that instead.

Oh and the 'Maybe kids play video games to practice their knife fighting. Who knows?', that's just priceless. So playing Red Steel and waggling my Wiimote means I'm practicing my knife skills? If I was a kid I'd just grab a kitchen knife.

Actually, simple counter-argument : mature games are mature games. I'd blame the Saw movies for torture among kids, but wait, they don't listen to those because their parents don't let them. But their parents let them play GTA? So it's automatically GTA's fault that kids are fucked. It's not the parents fault for being fucktards who can't raise kids? Yeah.

I hope you were just trolling, because your post was pathetic.
ChromeAlchemist's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 11:45
ChromeAlchemist
So since this guy is blaming games which most kids can't get their hands on in Oz for knife crime, what was to blame when games weren't around?
Samson's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 11:48
Samson
DDR leads to fights using the weapon of synchronized interpretive dance between rival Gangs

CONFIRMED
DoctorTabarnac's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 11:48
DoctorTabarnac
Like poor upbringing and a lack of discipline are tangible things...
RenegadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 11:50
RenegadePanda
Just let them play Modern Warfare 2.

Soon, they'll never want to see a knife again.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 11:56
Xzyliac
Normally they'd have a fight and people might ring around them, and it would be one-on-one, and when one [child fell] to the ground it would be over

Which is, like, ya know, way cooler.
SnatchTease's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 11:57
SnatchTease
He can blame his DNA, his ancestry, video games, whatever. He is ultimately responsible, and his small penis.
Sam Buchanan's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 11:57
Sam Buchanan
In what game do you get to fight with knives? I want a knife-fighting game where you purposefully pick fights with people and then pull out a knife and stab them when they try to run away. And I want the game to tell you that this behavior is the best, most wonderful thing you can ever do with your life. When everyone in the world is playing this game then I will feel like there might be a reason to look into blaming videogames. Also, correlation is not causation.
KwikPwn's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 12:14
KwikPwn
I blame Pac-Man for obesity in America!
AHoodedFigure's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 12:16
AHoodedFigure
Personally, I think the world level of knife fights would have to go down before I would ban video games.

I blame the fact that Christmas comes in summer for them. That has to be it.
CrawlingChaos's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 12:18
CrawlingChaos
I remember back in the day when all us kids would just beat the shit out of eachother like gentlemen. Nowadays it's all about visceral combat and getting emotionally engaged.

Damn vidyagames
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 12:23
Cowboy TTop
Unfortunately, how the average joe reaches such conclusions are jaded at best. At last thought, there are few games that say, 'hey, come and play with some kool kit and learn to stab people.'. The only such game that exists anywhere near that is Manhunt, to my knowledge, and next to no one is playing that anymore.

Indeed, there's more chances of Mick Dundee teaching kids knife skills, in his two films, than any game. On top of that, knives are simple to obtain, use and man has thousands of years worth of experience using them, and other edged tools. Does there really need to be much teaching for such a chance to cause havoc? I think not.

Ban knives, and kids will just resort to sharpened flintstones instead. Therefore, knives or games aren't the cause, but something far deeper in Oz.
garethxxgod's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 12:28
garethxxgod
The Chronicles of Riddick games have alot of nifty knife play it it's games. They pretty much popularized the phrase "want to live? Get a shiv"
GoldenGamerXero's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 12:28
GoldenGamerXero
Correlation =/= Causation

That is all that ever needs to be said.
Jeff Cusack's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 12:35
Jeff Cusack
Knife fighting has got to be the least popular form of fighting in video games. I count Assassin's Creed and Riddick as the only games with knife fighting, and neither of those are even set in the present day.
klops's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 13:02
klops
'dem bikers!
youngskeletor's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 13:18
youngskeletor
now all they need is commando and the care package glitch and it'll be anarchy.
F1r35t0rM's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 13:35
F1r35t0rM
Are they should that use knifes isn't in their blood? They were a prison colony after all.
Johnny Justice's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 13:41
Johnny Justice
If a game based on the 1955 film Rebel Without a Cause was made today, would it be banned for depicting knife fights?
pokota's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 14:11
pokota
I learned my mad knife skillz from West Side Story Craft IV.
ikiryou's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 15:19
ikiryou
Wasn't it Grand Theft Auto that offered the forbidden apple to Eve in the Garden of Eden?

Oh wait, I meant Olive Garden.
S Pastic's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 15:25
S Pastic
i live in the same city as this guy, and while he does lots of ballsy, selfless social work to be commended, i cant help but think this dude has missed the mark here...

while the issue aint exactly one that is very cut and dry, my take on it is less to do with media, and more to do with the younger folk trying to "out-crazy" each other as a twisted survival mechanism

shit a brick - i just became a pretentious philosophy nerd!
TheToiletDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 17:15
TheToiletDuck
"Woot! I'm dead"

hmm wonder if anyone will get that reference.
Hopeless Savage's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 18:36
Hopeless Savage
I can't think of a single game with a cool knife fight in it. Maybe Resident Evil 4?
Emrah's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 18:37
Emrah
The aussie has a point. For the last 10 years, melee attacks with knife have been very overpowered in FPS games, thus pushing people into thinking a knife is the best weapon.
Adonai's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 19:42
Adonai
This really needs saying - Les Twentyman works with the most disadvantaged young people around...the f**ked up of the f**ked up. Whilst it's good that he does that, I somehow think he's lost a helluva lot of perspective here. As in, 99% of young people do NOT carry knives.
I live in the same city as him. It's not shit-out crazy. But if young, drug-addicted, violent, abused homeless kids are *all* he deals with, he *might* not be the most objective source on this.

TL;DR? He's talking out of his arse.
Wraggles's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 20:21
Wraggles
@Renegade Panda
/agree

it's either that or they'll all think they can now teleport while running with knives
rafzombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 21:47
rafzombie
i fucken knew that some idiot would blame video games at some point for this and its just lazy saying that video games are the cause of all the kids getting to knife fights. sure most games have knifes in them but that doesnt mean that its telling kids that stabbing someone with a knife can solve a dispute even though it can if your just threatning the person and not swinging at them wildly with a knife.
Tonglongninja's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/17/2010 23:54
Tonglongninja
psh, they have it all wrong. We have knife fights because we're all convicts. Obviously.

Oh wait F1r35t0rM has already worked that out.

I mean, I know *nostalgic look* when I was younger and another child told me he like megadrive better than snes, I had my knoife out before he could even mention why. Then I stole his wallet.

Oh wait no I didn't.
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2010 03:22
Sexualchocolate
"WHO WANTS TO KNIFE-FIGHT WITH ME IN THE AUDIENCE!"

"WHO WANTS TO KNIFE-FIGHT WITH ME IN THE AUDIENCE!"
Seanus's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/18/2010 03:42
Seanus
@Adonai. Agree completely. I have a lot of respect for the work that Les Twentyman does, particularly in the western suburbs, but he's talking about stuff he isn't familiar about here.
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