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Atari has joined the crowd of publishers intent on demonizing used games, claiming them to be "extremely painful," but also suggesting that it isn't too concerned in the long-term thanks to its focus on online content.

"Second hand game sales represent consumer choice and desire," states Atari CEO, David Gardner. "Obviously, it has economically been extremely painful for the industry... the publishers don't benefit.

"But as games change and they become more and more network centric, the disc in the box becomes only one part of the experience. As that experience grows then it becomes not such a problem."

I do love how he followed "consumer choice and desire" with "extremely painful." Something tells me that the idea of customers having any sort of choice must feel like needles being dragged along a penis head to some of these publishers. Phil Harrison at least offered one of the most sensible arguments I've seen from an industry spokesman concerning the issue:

"There's no doubt that second hand games sales has a macro-economic impact on the industry and a lot of people get miserable about it. But it's no coincidence that the most valuable games, the one's that have the most lifetime as a game experience, are the one's that don't get resold, that don't get traded."

It's fairly simple. Create a great game, and you'll find that consumers will consider them keepers. Make an Atari game, and you'll find that second-hand store shelves are full to the brim.








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the Golden Avatar's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 14:20
the Golden Avatar
What the hell is with all the used merchandise grief? It's part of a capitalist society. You want people to buy new, at retail? Make a game they can't live without.
the Golden Avatar's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 14:20
the Golden Avatar
I should have read the last paragraph.
PhazonYoshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 14:23
PhazonYoshi
ow ow ow
FinalFist's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 14:23
FinalFist
Exactly. For instance, am I ever going to sell my Final Fantasy collection or Atlus games. No. Or my Okami. They're being unrealistic as usual, half of the gaming market consists of poor males from early to late adolescence, of course we're going to buy used games.
gamesronlygames's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 14:24
gamesronlygames
Gamespot's 7 day return policy on used games has generated spending increases on my end of video games. I never buy new unless its on a great sale and I know it will be a keeper. With my edge card I save 10 bucks off a used new release title-well worth it to me-plus you can return it in 7 days and get your money back. If anything used game sales are increasing the volume of spending on games.
falinter's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 14:28
falinter
Cry me a river.
MaxVest's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 14:30
MaxVest
I have doubt that second hand games sales has a macro-economic impact on the industry. At least, a negative economic impact. Did I miss the memo where nobody is buying new games anymore? Instead sales volume has increased annually over the past decade to the point where game dollars exceed movie dollars. Boo. Hoo.
psycho terror2's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 14:37
psycho terror2
as Jim says, make a bad game and it will be on second hand shelves.

consider that the most important time for a game to sell is say 2 week period after it's release. if lots of copies of that game are available second hand in that time frame then it must truly suck.
ProperlyParanoid's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 14:49
ProperlyParanoid
Fuck Atari. I mean, they can pay for my games if they don't want me to buy used ones.
Loogibot's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 14:59
Loogibot
Aww, boo hoo. Suck it Atari. If someone already paid you good money the first time around for a copy of a game, then why the fuck do you need to get paid again for the same copy when the piece of shit gets re-sold?
Patorama's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 15:00
Patorama
@gamesronlygames The point is that publishers don't see any money off of that increased volume of sales. Every dollar of every used game you buy from Gamestop stays at Gamestop. I'm not saying you shouldn't buy used, I'm just saying that is why the publishers are pissed.
Necro BABS's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 15:18
Necro BABS
If atari ever made games that were good, they would not be on the used shelves for so damn long...
BattyAdroit's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 15:47
BattyAdroit
Wow.

It's sure easy to call others' whiners and crybabies, because your own livelihood isn't based on a similar situation. (fortunately, nobody buys second-hand fast food)
MaxVest's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 15:57
MaxVest
@Patorama: "Every dollar of every used game you buy from Gamestop stays at Gamestop." Not exactly, which is my criticism of the whole idea. In order to get a used game to sell to you, Gamestop had to buy it from somebody else. That somebody else may choose to put the money from the sale towards a new game, a used game, or (in most states) back into his bank account, perhaps for later expenditure on games.

I have seriously seen no valid effort by publishers to actually investigate whether or not game resales hurt them. A publisher cannot assume that every used game sale represents the lost sale of a new game, in much the same way that every pirated music file does not represent the loss of a legitimate sale. If retail sales are up, but profitability is down, Gamestop is not the correct scapegoat.
Mattchewie's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 16:07
Mattchewie
I would think that gamestop would of had some stopgap in place to insure that at least publishers get some of the used sales. Then again I could be wrong.

However as others have said. Make a good game, people will buy and keep it. Game dollars exceed movie dollars anymore ...well at least on good games, and if you want more people to buy your game lower the freaking price. 60 bucks on a game that may or may not suck is a bit much. Especially today....when most games suck.

here is formula Good Game + Lower price = profit from volume!
technologic's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 16:37
technologic
Gameslop gets high profit off every used item they sell. That game they bought back in the first week of its shelf life for 32 bucks and they turn aroud and sell for 55 is pure profit. That margin is WAY higher than anything the sell brand new. On the old games they buy for a buck like a two year old madden game that they still sell for 10 bucks (which does sell, trust me on that one) is just as lucrative.

Game quality usually mattters squat too. Walk in to a GS and look on their wall in the 360 section. There are tons of copies of halo, GH, and other AAA titles.

If the game companies want to make a statement to these people, then stop giving them special incentives to pre-sell their products. Move your sells to wal-mart/BB/online and cut out the middle man.
nowherekid03's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 16:44
nowherekid03
yeah we really should spend $60 on crap titles like alone in the dark that offers a few hours of disappointing crappy gameplay and a joke storyline with no options for replayability in the form of online play or anything. and im not saying all games need to have online play. i.e fallout 3, oblivion, bioshock but whats the difference between those and EA games? quality. My other problem with this is the country is a recession or depression what ever the fuck you want to call it but the gaming industry is still rock solid and performing very well when most other areas of the economy are hard hit. this is the same shit the RIAA and MPAA are trying to pull. its all this oh woe is our industry, what about the starving famalies even though we are posing huge profits every year. fuck RIAA, MPAA, EA and so many more things i cant list right now
Timstuff's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 16:50
Timstuff
Phil Harrison got it right. If you don't want people to sell a game, then make it good enough that they won't want to sell it. The only games I've ever sold were either miserably short with no replayability, or so terrible that I never wanted to play them again. Maybe Atari should consider making their games good instead of pointing their finger at the people who are trying to unload them.
Wexx's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 17:10
Wexx
"But as games change and they become more and more network centric, the disc in the box becomes only one part of the experience."

So, Let me sell you this car, but you don't get the tires, air conditioning, radiator, or a windshield with that full priced purchase. Fuck off Atari.
Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/03/2008 19:27
Excel-2011
Used games shops are part of my history with games. With them go my motivation to continue purchasing games at all.
The Amazing Shenazin's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/05/2008 03:46
The Amazing Shenazin
why are game companies being such greedy shitheads?
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