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Atari, Ubisoft, others demanding money from pirates photo

A collection of usual suspects -- including Atari, Ubisoft and Codemasters -- have banded together to threaten pirates with legal action unless they stop their shenanigans and pay their dues. The deal is simple -- give publishers money, or face getting sued. 

CD Projekt Red recently stopped the practice of threatening pirates in this manner, but the baton has been picked up by a coalition of other European companies with long-standing grudges. Koch Media is defending the security of Prison Break: The Conspiracy with the eternal vigilance of Cerberus!

These publishers are using long-criticized methods to track down pirates, relying only on IP addresses to find any violators. The practice breeds ill will among consumers, is easily circumvented by pirates who know what they're doing, and can result in innocent people receiving threatening letters from rights holders.

Atari, Koch Media, Eidos/Square Enix, Daedalic Entertainment, BitComposer, Codemasters, Kalypso Media, Ubisoft, Aerosoft and dtp Entertainment are all involved.

Square Enix, Eidos & Other Game Giants All Demand Cash From Pirates [TorrentFreak, thanks Nick]








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The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 11:04
The Silent Protagonist
Atari still exists?
Maniac's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 11:05
Maniac
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
JoeTheProYaKnow's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 11:06
JoeTheProYaKnow
IP tracking will never be a good method. Ever. It is so incredibly easy to spoof an IP and even more easy to use the little old person's wifi from down the lane, that is poorly secured. WEP security can easily be averted and WPA is getting there.
Stevil's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 11:11
Stevil
Shit, I'd ask Atari for my money back on Driv3r and Alone in the Dark 5, but that ain't ever gonna happen.
A Very Drunk Panda's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 11:13
A Very Drunk Panda
It seems to me like most of these are smalltime PC publishers apart from maybe Square Enix (Who don't even publish first party titles that often) and Ubisoft (Who suck so much at not irritating pirates it's a shame they get to complain anymore).

This seems like a big case of the smallest dogs barking the loudest.
Gorescream's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 11:13
Gorescream
>reads story with smirk on my face
>notices the name Ubisoft
>mfw

TheNephilym's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 11:16
TheNephilym
Yeah, IP tracking is rubbish. I know a dude that hacked the wifi of the McDonald's next to his apartment. He's had free Internet through them for almost a year now. I don't think he pirates anything, but if he did, McDonald's would be held responsible. How stupid is that?
bulletcurtain's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 11:18
bulletcurtain
Boo hoo, pirates will have to pay for the products they've stolen. I have no idea whether IP tracking is an effective/ineffective way to deal with piracy, but I sure as hell don't feel sorry for the "victims" who will be held accountable.
L3ED's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 11:20
L3ED
@TheNephilym
McDonald's uses free wifi for their customers. If he got into their PRIVATE wifi, kudos to him.
Zerix's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 11:23
Zerix
I hate the money hungry publishers.

If you want money so bad, make something worth paying for.

Also @TheNephilym I thought McD's provided free WiFi anyways.
Mafflez's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 11:27
Mafflez
And I bet a few of these ass hats pirate other games as well, just sayin. I personally don't, I only buy games that are worth it, aka ubisoft and others start making good games and gamers would probably pay, oh and also lower your prices. *derpaherp*
TheNephilym's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 11:31
TheNephilym
The McDonald's in question gives you an access code that is only good for an hour or so, and you have to ask for it. You have to log in through some kind of special portal they have set up. You can connect without the access code, but everything will be blocked. He somehow managed to bypass all of that and is free to do as he pleases.
TheChosen's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 11:36
TheChosen
I find it funny that news comes from a site called "Torrentfreak", like its them saying "We aint done anything bad!".
RenegadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 11:38
RenegadePanda
My neighbor, he is pain in my assholes.

So I'll hack his wireless network and illegally download hundreds of games on his connection. Atari is going to be so pissed when they find 100 copies of Pitfall on his computer.

This plan is perfect.
Nitex's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 11:42
Nitex
Maybe you shouldn't have let your neighbor in your assholes to begin with?
mratomix's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 11:49
mratomix
Piracy is a tricky thing. I want all of these things for FREEbies, but I don't want to pay a dime, especially with the ever-increasing cost of DLC and the standardized idiocy of a $60 price tag on all console games and $50 for major PC releases. But I don't want to be known as supporting these pirates because a mega-millionaire company will sue me to oblivion because I didn't feel like re-paying for Dragon Age (I've bought it twice now... for console) on my PC.

So where does that leave me? I cannot "hack", but am savy in teh internetz nonetheless...I just use this and I wonder how effective it actually is at telling me if I've pirated anything, what do other people think? <url>http://www.youhavedownloaded.com/</url>
Polantaris's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 12:00
Polantaris
@A Very Drunk Panda

Being small is a bigger reason to complain, from a business standpoint. They have less customers already, and every pirate means even less. The smaller companies are struggling to survive because of pirates, while the big guys aren't really as effected as they try to make it sound like they are.

Some of these companies have nothing to complain about though. Square Enix? When was the last time they released a PC game that wasn't P2P (Console Pirating isn't nearly as big of an issue as PC). Ubisoft has already pulled PC games citing piracy as the cause...so what exactly are they bitching about? It clearly doesn't effect them if they can pull all their PC games worry free.

Even so...tracking by IPs is a hilariously terrible idea. As others have said, it's so easy to mask your IP it's not even funny.
Jawmuncher's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 12:02
Jawmuncher
I wouldn't blame people for buying Ubi games then pirating so they can play without crap drm
OneRed's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 12:04
OneRed
Strongarming, that's all this is. Private companies sending goons to people's houses demanding cash, threatening the kind of lawsuit that can put you into debt for most of your adult life, and using proof that anyone with even a little bit of computer savvy can manipulate fairly easily.

I'm sorry, I don't understand how people can stand against SOPA, but defend shit like this. What SOPA would allow, and what this is, are remarkably similar. They're both big dogs being able to intimidate people who probably don't have the kind of resources needed to defend themselves, not against a big business with vastly more resources.
VitaminShoe's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 12:09
VitaminShoe
awww how cute just like the super friends
RaginDude's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 12:44
RaginDude
Blackmail:

1. (Law) the act of attempting to obtain money by intimidation, as by threats to disclose discreditable information

2. the exertion of pressure or threats, esp unfairly, in an attempt to influence someone's actions
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 12:50
Elsa
With all the money they spent on things like SOPA and various DRM systems, I'm surprised they haven't yet found a way to simply have a picture taken of the pirate with the webcam which seems to be integrated into most computers nowadays.
I would think that a picture taken of yourself and popping up in a new window with a "why are you pirating me?" would be enough to scare off a lot of the less tech-savy pirates! LOL! (and it would certainly be useful in a court case!)

Still.. speaking realistically, I'd rather see attempts to go after the pirates rather than changes to the laws like SOPA that have more far reaching consequences. Like prostitution, piracy will always exist... and yes, occasionally some guy really did stop just to ask the pretty girl on the street corner for directions - but a few high profile cases can probably stop a lot of the casual piracy.
fulldamage's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 13:36
fulldamage
I'm sympathetic. It sucks to bust your ass every day working on something that someone else is just going to take and play with and never give you a dime or even a moment of acknowledgement for it.

But seriously? In this day and age? These companies might just as well put up "HACK ME" signs all over their websites and places of business. They are poking the pest nest with a stick. Bad PR is the least of the things they're going to get stung with.
OneRed's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 13:40
OneRed
@Elsa

The problem is, though, that the "I was just asking this scantily clad woman for directions out of the bad neighborhood" excuse doesn't create an unwilling third party to take the fall. The current state of online piracy may dictate that many people accused are actually quite guilty, but if the P2P movement (across the board) has proven anything, it is that it is constantly evolving.

The outside pressure would create a need for yet another shift in how these people operate, and that shift would create exponentially more victims of misplaced industry strong arming. I'm not particularly computer savvy (which is sad considering I'm 25, and probably should know a lot more about this wacky machine than I do), but even I know how easy it is to hack wifi networks. I live in a condo complex, and I'm fairly confident I could be running off maybe 5 different wifi networks by the end of the week. Its so simple, even a me could do it.

If you squeeze tighter, you'll only elicit more circumvention. It would not be a solution to a problem, you'd only be moving the problem somewhere else.
ScreamingFalcon's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 13:48
ScreamingFalcon
@TheNephilym

Actually, according the national McDonald's store practice policies, all stores are no longer allowed to require log in thru the splash screen. If they're still doing that, they risk losing their franchise licenses for being in direct violation of their contracts with McD International. So, its not really impressive that your friend is using a high-gain antenna to get free internet.
Sebproductions's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 14:03
Sebproductions
If only piracy would change. Let's all hold hands and sing songs about pirates being annoying
GameExchangeShop's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 14:16
GameExchangeShop
I'm against piracy.

I feel like it devalues the gaming and movie industries alot. I think both sides need to come to a balance (Publishers and Consumers).

Markets always tend to balance themselves out.

http://www.gameexchangeshop.com/
RockWallofMight359's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 14:24
RockWallofMight359
Can't really say I'm sympathetic towards pirates. Not really sure threatening to sue a bunch of them would do much good for the industry though. Look what happened to Sony. They threaten to sue one asshole and Anonymous had at them.
Ayb Sidewinda's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 14:58
Ayb Sidewinda
I'm REALLY LOVING the treatment from these publishers. It feels like we are all a bunch of children. All the attention on the bad kids, ignore the good kids, they keep quiet, and keep paying.
KilvasKills's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 15:03
KilvasKills
Ubisoft should pay you to play those broken PC ports. They obviously didn't hire testers to begin with.
PK493's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 15:15
PK493
The problem with pirates is like the problem with everyone else. They fail to see the big picture. I doubt mos pirates set out with the intention of "Yeah, let's run the game industry into the ground." They are trying to justify it like "ahh, well they make shit games so I'm not gonna pay for it." or "Ahhh, it's only one download, other people will make up for it anyway.". But it all adds up and that's what many people fail to take into account.

People have never really been satisfied with one or the other, they always really want both. But also people are becoming more skint, they are looking even more strongly for ways to get something for nothing.

But if you spent literally years working on a project, only to have people steal it and call it shovelware and a piece of shit, you'd be seriously pissed and want revenge.

Oh yeah, and to anyone who says "Games are way to expensive now", apparently they have never been lower and more reasonable(in relation to the market).

So yeah, Science
stemot's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 15:58
stemot
Hey Ubi, I paid for the shit port of Splinter Cell Conviction on PC. Can I take you to court to get my money back? Didn't think so.
TheNephilym's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 16:22
TheNephilym
@ScreamingFalcon

Well, it's been a while since I've had to sit in a McDonald's to use the Internet, so I was not aware that the rules changed. And I was not trying to "impress" anyone. The point was that it is possible to hack into someone's wifi network and operate under their IP address. I was only using that guy as an example and only elaborated after Zerix's comment.
PrinceHeir's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 18:11
PrinceHeir
lol good luck with that :P
JohnGrisham's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 19:57
JohnGrisham
they can all suck my dick.
Velt's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 21:46
Velt
lol good luck with the probing and suing.
YoTanaka's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2012 22:55
YoTanaka
Does anyone have a BETTER idea?

We all complain about this, but, what else are you going to do?
Sadly, I am at a loss also, but I guess, if they have the ip address, someone would need to be close by to jump on someone else's wifi right? So maybe they (game company heavies) go out there and just politely ask the person that owns the wifi and also neighbors if they have ever used this particular network, and if they have, did they do any piracy while on it?
Of course, everyone will say no, but then they will get that one at-home-mum, who says her son does, and he's at school right now, do you want have a look at his computer, Game Company Heavies?

Anyway, does anyone have a BETTER idea?
tekbunny's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/17/2012 00:40
tekbunny
@yotanaka

a better idea than using witch hunting tactics to acheive "justice?"

yeah, how about NOT using them. there, better idea.
tekbunny's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/17/2012 00:40
tekbunny
@yotanaka

a better idea than using witch hunting tactics to acheive "justice?"

yeah, how about NOT using them.
Cudgeon's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/17/2012 01:54
Cudgeon
90% of the pirates are idiots who wouldn't know how to hide their IP, btw. use another one.

Besides, nearly no one would use a proxy to download multiple gigabytes of data.. (a game, for instance). So the only ones that can hide their IP by downloading are Hackers with their own botnetwork and that takes way more criminal activity than just downloading an ISO.
Cudgeon's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/17/2012 01:57
Cudgeon
And besides Jim, if you don't have the technological knowledge of it, don't talk about it.
"is easily circumvented by pirates who know what they're doing" yeah, if they want to download with 10 kb/s. And if they want to download fast, then they have to invest multiple PCs or hack in another network, both is "not easy" and "highly illegal" (and will be backtrackable in most cases, so if they sue the mcd, chances are they will find the pirate using the mcd wifi trough logs..)
Cudgeon's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/17/2012 02:01
Cudgeon
@ Polantaries

Yeah, when was the last time Square Enix released a PC Game that isn't P2P... that has to be a long time ago, like.. yeah the new Deus Ex
YoTanaka's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/17/2012 02:47
YoTanaka
@tek

But that's all anyone ever says. Thats the same thing. So, if this is teh BAD way to do it, what's the RIGHT way to do it?
StormFireX's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/17/2012 08:41
StormFireX
This is ridiculous. It is not that I support piracy, but anyone who wants to can link up to a public access point and download whatever they want, assuming the ap isn't proxied or otherwise engaged in site blocking. A mildly skilled linux user can even spoof his/her mac ID with little more than a google search on how to do it. This is not an effective way to track pirates. Even "Secured" routers aren't safe - WPA/WPA2 is only as good as the password used on it, a few well timed attacks and the handshake is the hacker's to play with until they crack it or get bored. And don't even say WEP. A script kiddie with a serious hangover can pop one of those in under a minute. I would hate to see how many innocent people and businesses are going to suffer superfluous lawsuits as a result of this kind of irresponsible action. I truly wonder if it is worth the money they are going to spend. Again - I don't support piracy, developers should be paid for their products, but how much money do they "lose" to pirates? I don't see them suing the used games industry (which I whole heartedly support). They are losing as much or more there as a physical product is involved and it is a mainstream practice. Here is another interesting question - many people question the effects of piracy, there is one way I can think of to see. Take a major multiplatform title and compare the profits between platforms. The Ps3 is commonly touted as the only currently unbroken platform, whereas the 360 and Pc have long been compromised. If the sales numbers are similar that would make an interesting statement, wouldn't it? Of course there are some variables in the mix, but if piracy is as devastating as the developers would have people believe than the Ps3's profit margins should be significantly higher than that of the competing compromised platforms, shouldn't they? As I've said, I can't condone it, but is it worth the developers threatening, possibly wrongly, consumers over? Or is this approach simply going to damage trust with consumers?
Master Tap's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/17/2012 10:04
Master Tap
Oh shame on you ubisoft, atari and others.
So, you make half-finished games people just don't want to buy just because of the sickening pricings, silly DLC, constant updates up to timid versions like 1.5 which in reality shouldn't even need to have existed, DRM and all that other greedy n' selfish business you give us. THEN you want to make us pay for your failed "business strategies" that everyone knows you've plotted to make a fantasy profit whilst throwing the truth aside.
With strategies like yours it's not hard to say that you're trying to exploit the consumerbase. You might not understand this yet, but exploiting in a connected, breathing community of internet users isn't going to work. Today, we are wise and we are one. You can't just try to make fools of us, the mature, thinking core gamers, anymore.

If you care, you will hear the consumerbase so they can fill your wallet for a good work well done, not your wallet to have it affect your consumerbase.
When we use money for games, we use it to gain a fair amount of entertainment. We aren't the kind of business where lies will get you far; we're now wise and we're not buying your games just to dimwittedly fill your wallets for an amount you clearly didn't deserve with the kind of product you went under the fence with.

We now know what is fair. You can't exploit the majority of us anymore.
Set your prices down, remove the sick DLC and give us a fair product for what we pay for. That might seem insanely low value for you, but you should also be aware that your games are just as low in entertainment value.
Nick Jones's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/17/2012 16:35
Nick Jones
No problem, Jim. I thought it was pretty sickening. It's like they don't know why CD Projekt stopped in the first place.
BoomingEchoes's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/17/2012 18:20
BoomingEchoes
Funny, I paid for a lot of games from some of these publishers that I'd like to demand my money back for, but it'll just fall on equally dead ears.
ParkourDog's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/17/2012 20:34
ParkourDog
We now have the technology to distribute games for free, so wth do we need publishers anymore? We have passionate game developers and fans supporting them financially. Why the hell do we need blood sucking publishers imposing their constraints, lobbying for restrictive copyright laws, screwing up customers and running away with the majority of the profits? WHY THE HELL do we need that?
Jonathan Missroon's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/21/2012 23:32
Jonathan Missroon
Catch me if you can.
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