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Atari founder: Nintendo is pretty crappy photo

Atari co-founder Nolan Bushnell has been predicting all kinds of fun things at GDC, suggesting that kids will one day play neurologically implanted videogames, and that we won't have another generation of consoles. Of course, that kind of interesting stuff isn't what you want ... you want the bit where he slagged off Nintendo!

"I don't believe that there will be another major console," he said. "I think that the differentiation between what it would cost do do a PS4 ... or Nintendo ... well, Nintendo is pretty crappy. But [these consoles] are so close to photorealism that it just doesn't matter. The competition between 'My photorealism is better than your photorealism.'"

On the subject of neural-implants, he said: "I actually think that there's a good probability that we can [have] neural implants in 20 years. Be ready for the technology when it comes. I actually think parents are gonna have a little pushback on this, so be ready when that comes."

With neural implants, we can upload our nerdrage when somebody calls a corporation (that we have no real stake in) crappy directly into the recipient's brain. Imagine the amount of time it'll save when we won't have to mash the keyboard with tears in our eyes!

We Will Have Neural-Implant Gaming in 20 Years Says Atari Founder [Kotaku]








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tuoman's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 13:47
tuoman
la le lu le lo?
Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 13:48
Jon B
Sort of related, I was pretty impressed at the eye-tracking tech that I saw (and used) at Eurogamer Expo. Worked impressively well. Evidently there's a lot more hi-tech stuff behind the scenes that shows that we're a lot closer to crazy concepts like this than you'd think.
Rampart's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 13:49
Rampart
Obligatory statement about how Atari is crappier...
Ronin4life's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 13:51
Ronin4life
I think that Atari, having failed completely as a company in the console spectrum and nearly destroying gaming in the process, is the last place I would turn to for accurate views on any console manufacturer.
Janklogs's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 13:51
Janklogs
Hey, Atari. How's the Jaguar holding up?
*trollfaec*
TheNephilym's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 13:52
TheNephilym
Jim, if people could upload nerdrage directly into your brain, you'd have a mental meltdown almost every time you post an article, so be ready when that comes.
Genius's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 13:54
Genius
Make way for the NDF! Always here to fight the good fight.
Abnegation's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 13:54
Abnegation
Good thing Nintendo dropped out of making consoles after releasing the Jaguar. The Atari Wii would have completely failed.
Isay Isay's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 13:55
Isay Isay
Pfft neural implants...

The future is contact lenses that display text messages.
Gorescream's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 13:55
Gorescream
Don't caer bout the story, want to ask something.

Where did you got that picture from?
Jyystelli's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 13:56
Jyystelli
Neural implants? nothanks.jpg
Script-br's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 13:57
Script-br
Is he serious about neural implants? I doubt we will get to that point (I HOPE we won't). Even if we had the technology, wiring our brain to make us act in a virtual world is just taking it too far.

Also, he said a lot more things in the interview. Why you choose that headline when not even Kotaku did, I don't know.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:01
pedrovay2003
What Ronin said. Which company had a bunch of consoles that all died out again?
Malik's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:04
Malik
Games are nowhere near photorealistic. Anyone who sees animated features each year in and year out from the past decade can tell you that. The fact there is at least 1 game every year that blows us away (Battlefield 3 PC) is evidence that we have a long way to go.
Nitex's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:05
Nitex
I want superman 64 wired into my brain.
SKSith's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:05
SKSith
Video game implants! When can I sign up for beta testing?
OneRed's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:06
OneRed
So Nintendo is pretty crappy, removing them from the argument. This leaves only Sony and Microsoft in the "my photorealism is better than your photorealism" debate. So, when he says "these consoles", he only means 2, because Nintendo is pretty crappy in this department.

I know this doesn't seem like much, but really think about what he's saying. In the realm of high definition graphically capable home gaming consoles, we have 2 players, and they're competing in a space that is, in fact, rather small considering the playing field at large.

Honestly, I think he's more right than wrong in his assessment here. There probably won't be another "major console", like the PS2 was in its prime, because the only 2 entities competing are competing in a space that, while economically the most viable from a mass market perspective, is creatively and intellectually quite narrow in scope.

This is why I don't understand why people defend proprietary formats in console gaming. They're pouring money into gaining an advantage into what is essentially a very narrow slice of the creative spectrum, and any "competition" therein is of little consequence. This is, of course, assuming you can call a 2 entities in a huge space competition . When there is so few players on a field so massive, competition does indeed devolve into "my photorealism is better than yours", and "my motion control is better than yours".
OneRed's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:10
OneRed
So Nintendo is pretty crappy, removing them from the argument. This leaves only Sony and Microsoft in the "my photorealism is better than your photorealism" debate. So, when he says "these consoles", he only means 2, because Nintendo is pretty crappy in this department.

I know this doesn't seem like much, but really think about what he's saying. In the realm of high definition graphically capable home gaming consoles, we have 2 players, and they're competing in a space that is, in fact, rather small considering the playing field at large.

Honestly, I think he's more right than wrong in his assessment here. There probably won't be another "major console", like the PS2 was in its prime, because the only 2 entities competing are competing in a space that, while economically the most viable from a mass market perspective, is creatively and intellectually quite narrow in scope.

This is why I don't understand why people defend proprietary formats in console gaming. They're pouring money into gaining an advantage into what is essentially a very narrow slice of the creative spectrum, and any "competition" therein is of little consequence. This is, of course, assuming you can call a 2 entities in a huge space competition . When there is so few players on a field so massive, competition does indeed devolve into "my photorealism is better than yours", and "my motion control is better than yours".
Hasney's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:13
Hasney
First one to dish out a pedigree wins
Abnegation's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:15
Abnegation
Boom:

Shredator's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:15
Shredator
This guy is smoking too much Billy Clint.

"[these consoles] are so close to photorealism that it just doesn't matter" What about games that use modern technology that don't go for photorealistic graphics?
RenegadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:17
RenegadePanda
This coming from the company that made the Atari Lynx unnecessarily large because they thought people associated big things with increased value, and thus thought they could charge more for it.

Or thought that using two 32 bit processors for two separate components of the Jaguar somehow made it a 64 bit console. Not to mention the Jaguar having one of the worst controllers in history and almost no worthwhile games.

I could go on, Atari was just full of genius ideas, no wonder they're still doing so well as a last resort publisher.

I love you Atari, but you don't exactly have a place to comment on...well, much of anything involving success or lack thereof.
Fearzone's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:21
Fearzone
Nice. Talk like this reminds me of the days before videogames went all mainstream and big business, when it was mostly a hobby of fringe nerds.

Now corporate leaders mostly talk about why their boring upcoming product is better than their competitors boring existing product before the train of thought drifts in to 4th quarter profits.
OrangeArmy's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:23
OrangeArmy
Nolan "takes credit for things other people did" Bushnell is being a cunt,nothing new about that.
El Conrado's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:23
El Conrado
@RenegadePanda

Bushnell wasn't responsible fo any of those decitions, Jack Tramiel was.

Bushnell left Atari in 78.
Chongomaster's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:23
Chongomaster
What's with the headline? I think that his statement on the PS360 mentality is more interesting and his opinion on Nintendo was less than a sentence. To sum up: UMAD BRAH?
DarkTetsuya's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:26
DarkTetsuya
He's just bitter because HIS console was the one that contributed to the Crash of '84... and probably jealous cause Nintendo did so much better afterward.
Joe Ess's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:30
Joe Ess
Does this surprise anyone?

Im sure most everyone at Atari during the 80s and their Tengen years hates Nintendo with all the lawsuits between each other and some of Nintendo's fucked up business practices at the time (and vice versa with Atari.) Seems to be a long time to hold onto a grudge though. There was a whole lot of dirty pool going on back then.
Sparks112's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:30
Sparks112
Those are a lot of big harsh words coming from a company that has fail at consoles many times. If this guy want's to prove that theory then he would make a non crappy console. At least Nintendo can make a "crappy" console that makes more profit and with better games. The last I've read and I do read recent status, Nintendo games sell more then Atari :P. Can't say much about consoles because Atari failed so much that they gave up. At least Nintendo has the (blank) to keep the game going.
tremault's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:31
tremault
yeah this guy is really clever. a veritable nostradamus.
imagine a ddos on a neural implant....
I'm sorry i can't take this guy seriously.
Laharl-KOTNW's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:32
Laharl-KOTNW
I would like to, but I can't bring myself to be outraged about this. The console market is dying meme is false though. Believe it or not one is capable of owning both an Ipad and a 360 or 3DS. According to a recent NPD report the growth of young gamers has increased dramatically. Not just for the mobile market, but also for dedicated handheld gaming.
TheLongWalk's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:32
TheLongWalk
If neural implants were possible, there would be wars fought to destroy them. Fortunately the brain is too complex yet for us to comprehend it in its entirety.
PEICanada7's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:33
PEICanada7
Where did this come from? I thought he praised Nintendo for the Wii just a year, or two ago, so this guy sure loves to flip flop, doesn't he?
Street Flighter's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:33
Street Flighter
I'd rather not have to have brain surgery for a quick blast on Tetris, thanks. Also, the thought of Tingle being implanted in my brain is terrifying.
AeriusAstrum's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:34
AeriusAstrum
Do Atari still make anything relevant? I honestly think the last Atari game I bought was for the game boy colour.
BrainWasherAttendent's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:38
BrainWasherAttendent
Without the option of Nintendo consoles and games, the video game landscape would be really shitty.

Without ATARI in the picture, nobody noticed, or cared.
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:40
Elsa
with neural implants possibly the blind could play videogames...
OneRed's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:40
OneRed
Yes, yes, Atari was solely responsible for the crash of 84. Not only this, but because Bushnell was a part of a crash nearly 30 years ago, in a market that was essential expensive children's toys, he can no longer have a valid opinion.

I see a lot of bashing, a ton of misreading (the man is obviously speaking exclusively about Nintendo's inability to compete in the "photorealism" department, not on their systems in general), but I don't see anyone debating his entirely valid point about the state of competitiveness in the high def console market.
greyseal's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:50
greyseal
While I definitely agree that we're reaching a point of diminishing returns on graphics technology, we are definitely not anywhere near photorealism as he suggests. We're very good at machines and architecture, but we are still primitive when it comes to the organic.

The next major advances will have less to do with brute force polygon pushing, and more to do with getting humans to look... human. As games push harder with compelling narratives and characters, the uncanny valley is absolutely holding them back from mainstream acceptance as an artful form of media. It is hard for the general public to take a game seriously when all the characters look like animatronic props. Gamers can appreciate them because we've seen how far things have come, but non-gamers just see awkward robots with stilted expressions.
Master Snake's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:55
Master Snake
@BrainWasher:

It doesn't happen often, but I totally agree with what you said. All of it.
El Conrado's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:56
El Conrado
@Elsa

I would be more concerned with neural implants letting the blind see.
Baines's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 14:59
Baines
Because companies know graphics sell, and so many are willing to spend so much to push that territory forward, what "photorealistic" means shifts every few years.

Pretty much every console generation, someone in the industry will say "Graphics have been pushed about as we can push them. In another generation, everyone will have to focus on [insert some other aspect of game design]." And then the next generation comes, and everyone is still focusing on graphics, because now you have to have 60fps support, 720p support, or 3D glasses support, 4x AA with full bump mapping and other gizmo support, support for 10x the poly count because everyone wants higher poly counts now, realistic moving sweat and blood, every leaf and blade of grass is individually modeled so that you can properly hide in a tree or weeds, dynamic shadows and lights because that is what the fancy titles now down and your game won't sell if you don't do it too, or whatever else comes along.

(I would say that someone every generation says that graphics have been pushed to a point where further progress isn't worth the cost, but we arguably passed that point a while back.)

Which kind of annoys me when I'd settle for less than cutting edge graphics if it meant the rest of games were better.
Zaheer's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 15:02
Zaheer
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hermes's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 15:02
hermes
There is a reason why one is the most successful videogame company of the last 15 years, and the other one has changed hands more often than a dollar bill, was close to bankruptcy and has to rehash Dragon Ball games over and over again, you know...
SockemJetpack's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 15:02
SockemJetpack
Neural implants eh? And here I am going all old man and railing against motion control. Playing videogames should be sitting (or lounging) with a controller (or mouse) in your hand and that's it.Not these newfangle kinectors or neural doohickeys.

Now get off my lawn!
Chongomaster's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 15:07
Chongomaster
@El Conrado
Well played. Very well played.
Sean Daisy's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 15:09
Sean Daisy
Wow, what will he say next? Here are my top 5 predictions:

- Most Microsoft execs have sex with buttons.
- Genetically engineered pigeons will ferry preordered games to premium consumers.
- Future Mario games will require overalls and cap peripheral.
- An E.T. videogame will be made in 2012 to coincide with the 30th anniversary of the film. It will be the best selling licensed videogame of all time.
- Joysticks will make a comeback in the next 10 years. YOU WAIT AND SEE.
Estrelas's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 15:13
Estrelas
I think I'll give up gaming if it gets to the point where they want to put neural implants into me.
superdeeduper51's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/11/2011 15:19
superdeeduper51
Stay classy Atari.
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