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I am enjoying the game. I haven't quite finished it, but just unlocked Altair's armor so I would guess I'm nearing the conclusion.
I don't feel the game is lacking in content per se, but I don't appreciate these dlc shenanigans. They would have to really offer something awesome for me to give them any money for it. Even if it was something bitching rad ass awesome I probably wouldn't buy it.
I don't feel the game is lacking in content per se, but I don't appreciate these dlc shenanigans. They would have to really offer something awesome for me to give them any money for it. Even if it was something bitching rad ass awesome I probably wouldn't buy it.
I knew it! I knew it was fishy the way the memories jumped from 11 to 14. And I thought why the hell are they adding new characters right at the end? Or emphasizing certain ones if I only see them once. Ah ha -- DLC.
AC2 was fun but this move is just disappointing.
AC2 was fun but this move is just disappointing.
@TimTheTerrible: You get a free voucher for it with your new copy of Dragon Age. You only have to pay for it if you buy the game used.
downloadable content is becoming more of a way of releasing an unfinished game. they just add DLC later to add what they did not feel like finishing or ripping people off of a few bucks more. its worse when people know the content is already on the disc. it just means they want you to pay a few bucks more for something you already paid for.
I don't think this is a "let's stop this so the rest of the game will be more polished" so much as a "we'll finish this later, and make money off of it"
No. Bye. No Buy.
No. Bye. No Buy.
@ Uzzy
Agreed on all accounts.
Special Message to Jim:
Look, I understand that you really didn't like the game. I get it. And that's cool. you are entitled to your opinion. But I liked it. And so did many other people. In fact, (and I hate using metacritic as a reference here but...) you seem to be in the minority on this one.
You can stand up on your soapbox and try to tell all of us who enjoyed AC2 that we are wrong because Jim Sterling didn't like so therefore it is garbage. Or, you can get off your high-horse, put aside your self-righteousness and just leave it be. Because you aren't convincing me or anyone else who really enjoyed playing the game that our experience was wrong because you said so.
I don't mean to come off as an asshole and am sorry if I do. And generally I like your posts and find your particular sense of humor fucking hilarious.
But seriously dude, move on, most of us have.
Agreed on all accounts.
Special Message to Jim:
Look, I understand that you really didn't like the game. I get it. And that's cool. you are entitled to your opinion. But I liked it. And so did many other people. In fact, (and I hate using metacritic as a reference here but...) you seem to be in the minority on this one.
You can stand up on your soapbox and try to tell all of us who enjoyed AC2 that we are wrong because Jim Sterling didn't like so therefore it is garbage. Or, you can get off your high-horse, put aside your self-righteousness and just leave it be. Because you aren't convincing me or anyone else who really enjoyed playing the game that our experience was wrong because you said so.
I don't mean to come off as an asshole and am sorry if I do. And generally I like your posts and find your particular sense of humor fucking hilarious.
But seriously dude, move on, most of us have.
My yardstick for DLC is whether or not the game is a complete experience without it. Assassin's Creed 2 is not only a complete game without the DLC, but it's a better-paced game than if it had been included from the start. I'm looking forward to the opportunity to go back in and play those segments a month or two from now, but I would have been sick of the game by the time it finished if they'd been there initially.
Making the end of Prince of Persia DLC was bogus. Katamari DLC was bogus. Frankly, Fallout 3's Broken Steel was bogus--charging money to fix design problems like "The level cap is too low" and "Finishing the main story means you can't play anymore" aren't acceptable. But this? This is fine.
Making the end of Prince of Persia DLC was bogus. Katamari DLC was bogus. Frankly, Fallout 3's Broken Steel was bogus--charging money to fix design problems like "The level cap is too low" and "Finishing the main story means you can't play anymore" aren't acceptable. But this? This is fine.
If they had to cut the content, that's fine, but the thing that gets most people is that they number these chapters and then just skip a couple, then offer those chapters as DLC, making it obvious that you had to shell out for the "complete" game. If they hadn't called attention to it themselves and just gone forward with the time-skip, then there might not be as many complaints about the content being offered as DLC down the line.
Also, I don't think I agree with developers who feel the need to continually "support" a game post-launch with additional content. I know the PC crowd is used to this kind of thing, and for multiplayer, it makes sense. But (hypothetically) you wouldn't see filmmakers "supporting" their vision by just adding on stuff post-release. (Director's cuts are more about restoring the director's vision, theoretically, when not confined under studio standards, and so can't be compared directly with what gamemakers do.) Just something that rubs me the wrong way, that no game these days can stand on its own merit and must be constantly updated and "corrected" and added-onto.
Also, I don't think I agree with developers who feel the need to continually "support" a game post-launch with additional content. I know the PC crowd is used to this kind of thing, and for multiplayer, it makes sense. But (hypothetically) you wouldn't see filmmakers "supporting" their vision by just adding on stuff post-release. (Director's cuts are more about restoring the director's vision, theoretically, when not confined under studio standards, and so can't be compared directly with what gamemakers do.) Just something that rubs me the wrong way, that no game these days can stand on its own merit and must be constantly updated and "corrected" and added-onto.
I don't have AC2 because AC1 was so bad I couldn't finish it, and I have a serious distaste for playing sequels without playing the original.
On a completely separate note, I absolutely hate paid DLC. Expansions are OK. Dragon Age & The Saboteur's day-one DLC were not. Left4Dead's Crash Course on the 360, was not OK.
I pretty much agree with Jim, is what I'm saying.
On a completely separate note, I absolutely hate paid DLC. Expansions are OK. Dragon Age & The Saboteur's day-one DLC were not. Left4Dead's Crash Course on the 360, was not OK.
I pretty much agree with Jim, is what I'm saying.
@ Uzzy
d) If removing those levels meant that the development team had more time to polish the rest of the game
OH yes OHHHHHHH SOOOO POLISHED. Things magically appearing less then a foot in front of you. Look guys! Ezzios a magician! Watch me make this texture appear!! Aba fucking cadabra
d) If removing those levels meant that the development team had more time to polish the rest of the game
OH yes OHHHHHHH SOOOO POLISHED. Things magically appearing less then a foot in front of you. Look guys! Ezzios a magician! Watch me make this texture appear!! Aba fucking cadabra
All I wish is that it was more seamless than 'oh, we seem to have a bunch of corrupted data. Lets just fast forward, you can do it in DLC later'
Jim, it's hard to tell if you're a bit dull or just a prick trying to drive hits. I'm leaning toward the latter because in the paragraph right before the one you quoted it says that these cuts were made due to schedule constraints in the middle of the year. Bandai-Scamco finishes the content, puts it on the $60 disc, and then charges you $50 to unlock it.
I've got no great love for Ubisoft and I'm on a hard boycott of Assassin's Creed 2 in particular, but this sort of nonsense from you is unacceptable. From the posts that follow your articles you clearly have a following of sheep who don't fully understand what they're reading about even when it is written to mislead and enrage them. Shape up, this isn't what journalism looks like. Not even pretend journalism.
I've got no great love for Ubisoft and I'm on a hard boycott of Assassin's Creed 2 in particular, but this sort of nonsense from you is unacceptable. From the posts that follow your articles you clearly have a following of sheep who don't fully understand what they're reading about even when it is written to mislead and enrage them. Shape up, this isn't what journalism looks like. Not even pretend journalism.
@Uzzy Agreed. At least Ubisoft has the guts to admit that they did it. Jim, the AC2 bashing is getting really old. Just let it go.
You can be presumptuous and end up being right in the end...doesn't mean you weren't being presumptuous, though!
Also...if I read it correctly, he's stating that the content wasn't finished, and rather than rushing to finish it, they opted to refine other aspects of the game instead. That's a lot different than saying that you took finished content out of a game bc you knew you could sell it separately, isn't it?
Also...if I read it correctly, he's stating that the content wasn't finished, and rather than rushing to finish it, they opted to refine other aspects of the game instead. That's a lot different than saying that you took finished content out of a game bc you knew you could sell it separately, isn't it?
I couldn't care less about Assassin's Creed 2.
But the path to the Dark Side of the DLC is far too easy to take.
Listen to Yoda, Ubisoft, it's not too late.
But the path to the Dark Side of the DLC is far too easy to take.
Listen to Yoda, Ubisoft, it's not too late.
Its really fucking sad that there are people willing to bend over and take this shit from various developers. Namco-Bandai, Bethesda and Bioware all lost my respect in the last year due to the decision to blatantly withhold content from otherwise complete games.
I don't care if it "feels like a complete game" these a difference between feeling and knowing. Even as lameshit as Bioware's excuse for piecemealing out content was, at least they had the dignity to lie about why they were doing it.
I don't care if it "feels like a complete game" these a difference between feeling and knowing. Even as lameshit as Bioware's excuse for piecemealing out content was, at least they had the dignity to lie about why they were doing it.
@day2daze
I lul'd.
It's nice to be on the outside of the thread looking in and just laughing for a change. :P
I lul'd.
It's nice to be on the outside of the thread looking in and just laughing for a change. :P
Don't care for it much Assassin's Creed was stupid anyhow. However, this seems a bit...sleazy considering they just ripped a part of the game and named it DLC. How much you bet it's just a few missions just like the OTHER three variations.
Moving on.
Moving on.
You guys are so fucking blind that it hurts. You really think they cut out the content to help development? Knowing Ubisoft, they cut it out so they could charge for it later. Anyway, even if it was planned content, then they should give it to you FOR FREE because it was going to be in the game but cut when they "didn't have enough time." And you know what? They probably won't give it away free, because Ubisoft isn't Valve or BioWare, who give shit away always or give shit away when it was planned to be in the game. Anyway you slice it, what Ubisoft is doing is wrong, and anyone who pays for this is only encouraging them to do the same for great games like Splinter Cell: Conviction. I'll support your good games Ubisoft, because you aren't as bad as Activision, but I won't support your greed.
This is why DLC scares the fuck outta me. How long till this becomes the hidden norm?
Thats right kiddies, they might just have tiered pricing.
Retail copy --- $60
Retail copy with DLC to complete the game that was developed --- $70
Retail copy with DLC and collectors edition content --- $80
Retail copy with DLC CE and expansion (which is a key unlock for content already on the disc --- $90.
Haha.... fuck you now your new games for everything on the disc cost $90.
That is wrong.
Thats right kiddies, they might just have tiered pricing.
Retail copy --- $60
Retail copy with DLC to complete the game that was developed --- $70
Retail copy with DLC and collectors edition content --- $80
Retail copy with DLC CE and expansion (which is a key unlock for content already on the disc --- $90.
Haha.... fuck you now your new games for everything on the disc cost $90.
That is wrong.
I want to get the bastard who invented the concept DLC and rip his guts apart. I'm yet to see an enjoyable example of DLC.
I liked AC2, until it started breaking apart at the end. Every, EVERY mission had me running clear across the fucking town I was in to get to my objective, and then I had to run all the god damn way back to turn it in. That was nonsense, why couldn't I start just a little bit closer? WTF!? I didn't even finish the game 'cause of that crap.
Since I rented AC2, this DLC bullshit doesn't effect me. Also, the ending of the game was so stupid and obvious, that I dont think I would want the dlc anyways.
also, day2daze said "OH yes OHHHHHHH SOOOO POLISHED. Things magically appearing less then a foot in front of you. Look guys! Ezzios a magician! Watch me make this texture appear!! Aba fucking cadabra"
totally fucking awesome man. I'm glad someone else realizes the POLISHED excuse is pure BULLSHIT.
totally fucking awesome man. I'm glad someone else realizes the POLISHED excuse is pure BULLSHIT.
Videogames ten years from now: Well guys we did a great job with the 20 levels we have made for the game. We're ready to release it next month. So now comes the final touch, time to CUT SHIT! We are removing the last ten levels of the game and will release the other levels on the release date as DLC for a premium price! YAY!!!
The day I stop playing videogames.
The day I stop playing videogames.
' We'll remove some stress to the team while giving more to fans and people who like Assassin's Creed,"=>> What? next time i am going to pay the game dealer less and say "on the long run i ll offer you the rest as DLC"
I liked AC2, but that is a d*ck move. So was the alt. costumes for Street Fighter 4. If the content was free, ok. You gave us too much for $60! How much should GTA4 be, $200? How about Oblivion? Weak, UBI soft. Unless it is packed with goodness like Lost and the Damned or Gay Tony, which I doubt.
I totally agree with Nolasco. I've never actually seen any DLC I'd consider worth buying.
Also, fuck them. What the hell are they getting at, acting like they're doing some sort of service to gamers by not offering them something on the disc they paid for? Ugggh.
Also, fuck them. What the hell are they getting at, acting like they're doing some sort of service to gamers by not offering them something on the disc they paid for? Ugggh.
Happens all the time, kinda find it funny. People volunteer to be ripped off, and thank/praise these people for doing it. You approve or disapprove with our money, so go on and put your money where your mouth is.
Game was about 25 hours long for me. I got my 60 bucks worth, I said it before but many people who game simply feel they are entitiled to anything and everything, which they are not.
You don't like it, you feel ripped off? Go right ahead and boycott Ubi.
But when I look at the pricing, what I got from my game and what I would get for (I assume) ten bucks DL, it's fairly priced.
Cry about it all you want, but this is a business and I don't see them as ripping people off. They have found a structure fair to consumers and getting more money to developers, since they receive all the money (minus the console's cut) for their work, as opposed to all those "gamers" out there who either don't understand or don't care that renting and buying used doesn't help the developers at all.
You wanted to rent? Wanted to save that extra ten bucks on a used price? Well, here's what you get. DL has to happen to survive the stores who rip off the actual makers of games.
DL is artist friendly. Stop being so cheap. You were doing well enough in life to afford the TV, the broadband the console AND the game? Your cheap butt can manage to find ten bucks if you really like that game and truly want more.
Try not eating some fast food for one day. There's the money.
You don't like it, you feel ripped off? Go right ahead and boycott Ubi.
But when I look at the pricing, what I got from my game and what I would get for (I assume) ten bucks DL, it's fairly priced.
Cry about it all you want, but this is a business and I don't see them as ripping people off. They have found a structure fair to consumers and getting more money to developers, since they receive all the money (minus the console's cut) for their work, as opposed to all those "gamers" out there who either don't understand or don't care that renting and buying used doesn't help the developers at all.
You wanted to rent? Wanted to save that extra ten bucks on a used price? Well, here's what you get. DL has to happen to survive the stores who rip off the actual makers of games.
DL is artist friendly. Stop being so cheap. You were doing well enough in life to afford the TV, the broadband the console AND the game? Your cheap butt can manage to find ten bucks if you really like that game and truly want more.
Try not eating some fast food for one day. There's the money.
And as a PS: The Valve arguement for justifying Ubi being wrong doesn't hold weight.
Since so many people buy off steam with Valve, they saw all the profit, similar to how much a developer sees off DL on 360 or PSN.
And sure, once they are in the black, they can kick back and afford to take the time to give people freebies.
But since Ubi is mainly at retail where too many rent and buy used to the point they are lucky to break even before DL comes out, they can't spend the time giving freebies.
They DO have to pay people for working, you know.
If the day comes that all games could sell directly to it's customers like steam, you'll see everyone giving more freebies, too. But that's not where the world is at now. PC is tiny in the industry financially for the bigger companies.
Since so many people buy off steam with Valve, they saw all the profit, similar to how much a developer sees off DL on 360 or PSN.
And sure, once they are in the black, they can kick back and afford to take the time to give people freebies.
But since Ubi is mainly at retail where too many rent and buy used to the point they are lucky to break even before DL comes out, they can't spend the time giving freebies.
They DO have to pay people for working, you know.
If the day comes that all games could sell directly to it's customers like steam, you'll see everyone giving more freebies, too. But that's not where the world is at now. PC is tiny in the industry financially for the bigger companies.
Yes, I'm going to buy it because it's supplementary material to an already fantastic game. If you don't want it, don't buy it, it really is that simple. And can we keep Sterling from writing about anything related to Assassin's Creed ever again and give it to someone without an ax to grind for some ridiculous reason, his bullshit is getting really old.
I know of one game that had everything in it, as intended, and kicks all kinds of nazi ass, without being boring or repetitive... Saboteur ;)
Sure got my money's worth. It's very rare that actually feel like doing heaps of side quests in a game, but there was a lot of fun to be had in AC2 on top of what was already fulfilling gamepley in the main quest.
Bring on the DLC, even if it is just unlock keys for something on the disc or not I'll still cough up a little more cash.
Bring on the DLC, even if it is just unlock keys for something on the disc or not I'll still cough up a little more cash.
When I saw memories 12 and 13 were "corrupted", I just said "fucking DLC"... That was a very lame move from Ubisoft. 65 fckin euros and they say they give us enough... Keep doing this, guys, and people will start to buy nothing. You are condoning piracy.
Well that's just inexcusable. I was planning to get AC2 with some gift cards I got for xmas but no way. Not if Ubisoft is arrogant enough to try and tell me what I am supposed to find acceptable as content, and then admit to ripping things out to sell back to me. Looks like some local kids gonna get $20 bucks from me in a month when he gets bored of it.
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