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Assassin's Creed 2 DLC was part of the original game photo

When Ubisoft released details about its upcoming Assassin's Creed 2 DLC and I suggested that it was content that had merely yanked out of the original game, I was told off for being presumptuous. Well, guess what -- the upcoming Assassin's Creed 2 DLC is content that was merely yanked out of the original game. 

I win. 

"I felt that, 'Okay, there were too many things to do and to finish.' So we said, 'Okay, let's take a portion of the game that was planned and we'll give it in DLC.' We'll remove some stress to the team while giving more to fans and people who like Assassin's Creed," justifies Ubisoft Montreal's Patrice Desilets in an interview with Kotaku. "I think we gave them so much content that they cannot say that we owe them, that we didn't give them a lot for their sixty bucks."

I don't think cramming a game full of rooftop races and identical "beat up this guy" missions is content, exactly, but whatever. Do you agree with Desilets? Was Assassin's Creed 2 full of so much brilliance that the studio was justified in locking out content, or is Ubisoft just trying to justify the same tactics employed by DLC whores like Namco Bandai?








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babby's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 11:44
babby
Ah Jim...

Your AC2 trolling skillz are OVER 9000!!!

But i respect yo opinion, even tho AC2 is my GOTY 2009!
nekobun's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 11:46
nekobun
At least Beautiful Katamari nixed $20 off the shelf price when it was just part of the content, so you could spend that $20 on the unlock downloads later. I'd say this is a bit more dickish.
Nikotine's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 11:46
Nikotine
This is even worse than RE5's Mercenary mode, at least that was extra material. This is fucking STORY content
Tarvu's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 11:47
Tarvu
I don't think it can really be justified. Developers shouldn't set targets they can't meet and let the game suffer as a consequence, if this DLC were to be free then it wouln't be so bad.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 11:47
Chris Carter
I think an over 20 hour game, with around 10 hours of extra built in content is fine at $60, so I have no qualms with this.

Katamari, a 5 hour 100% game: thats a different story.
Anjo's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 11:48
Anjo
That's terrible.
DANMATEYE's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 11:49
DANMATEYE
i wonder if Ubisoft will make players pay for the ending of Splinter Cell Conviction
Stevil's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 11:50
Stevil
You're right Patrice, they can't say they Ubisoft owe them, but they can say that it's a bit unfair for being charged extra for part of a game that, in the developer's eyes, was a bit needless in the first place.
Kraid's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 11:50
Kraid
lololololol Already on the disc.
and0's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 11:51
and0
I don't see the issue, personally. This stuff happens all the time, would you rather they just don't release it at all? I felt like AC2 was a pretty complete game.
Dreamweaver's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 11:52
Dreamweaver
Shoot, I don't even care if this DLC costs another 60 bucks: for the Creed, I will get.
That's not saying I WANT it to be 60 bucks.... I just want to complete the story.
And hell, I'll pay 20 bucks for a way to replay old missions with new equipment.
Darkhalen's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 11:53
Darkhalen
"I think we gave them so much content that they cannot say that we owe them, that we didn't give them a lot for their sixty bucks."

And yet Valve keeps giving content away for free for there games (ala Team fortress 2)
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 11:53
Holyetheline
I don't get what is so great about this game. Someone please explain? The DLC definitely sounds like a ripoff, they should build completely fresh content if they go the path of DLC.
Balaamsafe's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 11:58
Balaamsafe
I love AC2 but hate this kind of DLC production, there goes my sale.
StingingVelvet's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 11:58
StingingVelvet
"while giving more to fans and people who like Assassin's Creed"

Uh, if you remove it, then sell it back, you aren't giving anyone anything. In fact you are taking it away.
Drachula64's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 11:58
Drachula64
I don't midn, although it is a bit silly. I'm still picking it up.
RenegadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 11:59
RenegadePanda
This was obvious the minute I tried walking to an area clearly shown on my map, only to find a giant white wall. This was after beating the game, obviously.

That said, love the game, but unsure if I love it enough to go back for DLC.
Thane Vickers's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 11:59
Thane Vickers
AC2 was a game that I enjoyed.. but come on... This is fucking ridiculous.
Uzzy's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:03
Uzzy
a) It's not on the disc, as far as I'm aware. So lets nip that one in the bud right now.
b) It's a complete story as is. 20 hours of brilliance!
c) Optional. If you don't like it, don't pay. Easy really.
d) If removing those levels meant that the development team had more time to polish the rest of the game, without damaging the overall integrity of the game, I see no problem with it. As I said above, the game is a finished, complete story as is. You're not missing out vital parts of the narrative.
e) Jim's trolling of AC2 is getting rather annoying.
Ragnar Dragonfyre's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:04
Ragnar Dragonfyre
It sucks that they did this. If the game that was presented is more polished because of it, then I forgive them. However, it seems like this is becoming a normal business practice for Ubisoft, see PoP epilogue.

I'm a consumer whore and love the Assassin's Creed universe, so I'll buy the DLC, but I'm exceedingly dissatisfied with being sold content that was intended for the final product to begin with. I think I'll be buying Ubisoft games used or after a price drop from here on.

I would not be surprised if they do something similar with Splinter Cell DLC.
EdgyDude's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:04
EdgyDude
IMO this is still a rip-off justification or not, but then again that's me and i'm part of the minority when it comes to this issue, sadly, this seems to be the norm nowadays.
Midgetsnowman's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:05
Midgetsnowman
I find this funny. I mean. Bioware yanked out Shale from Dragon Age..but they gave us her as free DLC because she was intended to be in the base game.. I somehow doubt Ubisoft will be so kind.
Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:06
Jon B
I really do hate this new DLC model that companies seem to be using. Why can't you take a leaf out of Valve or Criterion's books?

Oh right, you're a greed company who loves to use money as wankfodder. Never mind.
Death by Yeti's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:06
Death by Yeti
I still dont like the Assassin Creed series
Cyber Altair's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:08
Cyber Altair
But the fact that the DLC cause 3 and 4 dollars make them cheaper then most DLC I've seen. COmbined.
Strandli's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:13
Strandli
Ok, one this is to yank it out of the game, but then it should be free.
BerserkerX's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:16
BerserkerX
It's sad that people got tricked into buying the game again and now this :(
stiltzkiin's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:16
stiltzkiin
Nikotine makes a good point, I mean, this is part of the STORY in a SINGLE PLAYER. On top of that, who are they to tell me that I've gotten enough content in my game? That's so subjective based it's just stupid. For instance - some people may not feel like they got enough content in I don't know, let's say Final Fantasy VII - but I sure as hell did. On the flipside, I don't think I got enough 'content' in Grand Theft Auto IV (I'm playing the devil's advocate) while others may say they have.

I think it's absolute bullshit they try and tell me they put enough content in when that's such a subjective thing. Does content = time played? Well fuck, why not just make the game super tedious and cycle through fed ex quests and the like?

OH WAIT, A LITTLE TOO CLOSE TO HOME WITH THAT LAST COMMENT UBISOFT ASSASSINS CREED UBISOFT.
Overcrowd's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:18
Overcrowd
No. Just no. This is the kinda thing that incites such RAEG towards certain devs/publishers.

And people wonder why we love Valve?...
Infinite Combo's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:21
Infinite Combo
Assassin's Creed 2 is not compelling enough for me to finish the game, much less spend money on DLC for it. Pass!
Phantom Spaceman's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:25
Phantom Spaceman
In their defense, they are charging a grand total of $9 for both episodes

@Overcrowd: I thought people loved Valve because they don't take three years to make a single HL2 episode in favor of pumping out two zombie shooters with no story... oh, wait...
Unleasher's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:27
Unleasher
Ubisoft ships AC2. Some of the people on the original team stay to create the new content, content that needs to be tested, debugged etc.. It costs Ubi money, so it's only logical to ask for a small amount.

If there was no DLC, you'd have AC2 and that's it. DLC gives the developpers a chance to expend the universe they create.

Someone mentionned Valve and Criterion. I'm pretty sure Valve is making more than enough money with Steam to afford releasing free DLC, and I'm pretty sure Criterion doesnt need 20 testers and a 50+ team to offer some new cars and a new island.
Rammstein's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:29
Rammstein
This hae me worried over what Ubisoft will do with an actual good franchise; Splinter Cell. What if the beloved Mercs vs Spies was omitted so it could be released as paid DLC? Good if they eventually release it, bad if they charge for it if it was supposed to be on-disc(which it should).
Budboy311's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:30
Budboy311
This is ok. It's not disc content, it was cut from development to get the game out on time. Then, since it was already half complete, Ubisoft decided to finish it and offer as DLC.

If you don't want it, don't buy it. That's kind of the point.
chronomitch's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:31
chronomitch
And people said it would never happen. Welcome to the real world people. Big publishers like EA and Ubisoft don't care about gamers - only their bottom lines.
JReaper617's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:35
JReaper617
This screams shady and while i don't have a problem with companies charging for DLC it is just really shitty that they said pretty much that we gave you enough stop bitching and buy this shit that shoulda been in the game in the first place.That kinda irks me a little bit
wanderingpixel's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:36
wanderingpixel
"Oh shit! We gave gamers too much video game. Lets charge them twenty more dollars."

[font=18]F.U.C.K Y.O.U[/font]
wanderingpixel's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:38
wanderingpixel
F.U.C.K Y.O.U
wh1terav3n's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:42
wh1terav3n
Absolutely, if having to finish that content meant either pushing it back or having more bugs in the game, then its fine by me. It seems like you give some games breaks, while others you twist their words. Sure it was content originally planned, but they couldn't finish it in time. So what do they do? Instead of pushing it back, or leaving bugs, they give it as DLC. You know what? Fine by me. I think AC2 as is is more than worth the 60 bucks.
Thane Vickers's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:43
Thane Vickers
I think I'ma boycott this. This is the first game boycott I'm going to participate in. I feel it's well worth it. Boycott AC2 DLC. Anyone with me?
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:48
Qraze
if a quote like that ever reaches japan, say goodbye to all great length and content rpg's.

lv.99? buy the ability to grind that high.
minigames? buy the right to play them all.
80 hour story? haha, but the add-ons to experience the complete story.


what ever happened to giving the consumer the full product? i don't buy a half eaten apple at full price. don't buy a new car without doors for full price. i don't buy half a carton of eggs for full price.
CaptainApocalypse's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:50
CaptainApocalypse
Hahaha. I just can't believe they are so obvious about this.
-PL-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:51
-PL-
Yeah, they're "giving" it to us alright. Long and hard.
KingSigy's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:52
KingSigy
I figured it would be, but I didn't want to think it was. God dammit, now I won't buy this shit. Thankfully I haven't actually bought the game, so I may just borrow it from a friend and get the DLC.
timtheterrible's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:55
timtheterrible
@ Midgetsnowman

The Stone Prisoner costs $15; it is not free.
CSampson's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 12:58
CSampson
shut up fatty
Vanilla Gorilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 13:00
Vanilla Gorilla
Funny, what I (and every other blog site) took from it is that they didn't have the time to finish it before release. And yet you spin it as if it was merely content yanked from the game to charge people for.

BIAS MUCH!? <3
teke367's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 13:05
teke367
As far as content, that is too subjective. Ubisoft says its a lot, but Sterling says its not. The game had enough good reviews (not discounting the poor one given here) to suggest that some people enjoyed the game, so I'd suggest we define content as "length." I know long doesn't necessarily mean good, but if 19 hours of the game was just running between towns, all the reviews would mention it.

I don't mind if a dev aimed high, then realized it bit off a bit too much, and had to scale down. If that is the case, that's okay, because it allows devs to be a bit ambitious. However, if it turned out the project was costing more than expected, then a dev pulled out content just to sell as DLC to recoup some of that, then that is no good.
MPXenon's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 13:10
MPXenon
@timtheterrible

Yes "The Stone Prisoner" is free if you buy a new copy of the game, I have it. A single use code to download it is in every box, its a measure to try and reduce the ammount of trade-in's of the game, because if you were to buy it secondhand THEN you would have to pay $15 if you wanted shale.
moggle's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/22/2009 13:13
moggle
Anytime a company yanks content that was originally in a game just so they can sell it back to you as DLC is wrong. And those of you who think otherwise, that somehow what was left in the game justifies this milking the consumer for every last little penny: You're all damn fools.
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