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Ars Technica believes hardcore gamers to be on the way out photo

Opposable Thumbs, the gaming side of Ars Technica, wants to tell you that hardcore gamers are on the decline. They posted an article earlier that compares the sales data of various genres over the last year and comes to the conclusion that since Cars, the licensed game based on the Pixar film, was the second best selling title (behind the unstoppable juggernaut of Madden 2007), that casual, mainstream gamers are taking over the gaming landscape, and that hardcore, Bawls drinking, vagina fearing gamers are on the way out.

Here's a quote:

The landscape painted by the thorough report reveals quite a few interesting factors about the changing industry. As growth continues, we're bound to see some substantial changes. As it stands, hardcore gamers are still a pivotal purchasing force in the games market: most of the top ten titles were what I would consider "hardcore" games. However, the trend away from the hardcore and towards the casual is becoming increasingly more predominant. We've talked quite a bit lately about the growing demand and response for casual games, and when coupled with the shocking sales of licensed products, I'm left wondering whether or not the number of hardcore gamers is dwindling.

While Señor Thumbs has proven his competency in reading (and adding), he missed a crucial part of the logic behind his argument; Cars was released for everything. Seriously, they had ports of it for Linux-based rectal thermometers. Since the only title also released on as many platforms was Madden (and it managed to outsell Cars), one begins to see flaws in the argument.

Then again, maybe I'm just mad that Larry the Cable Guy is getting those kinds of residuals and I live in a tin shed in the wilds of Eastern Europe. What do you guys think? Is the hardcore gamer going the way of the dinosaur? 








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tazarthayoot's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 00:22
tazarthayoot
The rectal thermometer version let you fart to activate a hidden boost for your car.
CannibalCalvin 's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 00:22
CannibalCalvin
No, its always going to be there. I believe in the not so distant future, there will be the crazy 'ol gamer, who lives by himself and his robotic cats.

He'll spend most of his days playing World of Warcraft : The Final Crusade 4 Part Seven. And when not popping a myriad of state funded pills (current legislation pending) he'll be yelling at the local neighbor hood kids to stay of his lawn, or at least organize a lan party, since he cant after the local Mother's group deemed him too creepy to hold parties with children.

Eventually he will pass, most likely in a strange Alzheimer's enduced state where he thinks hes the right paddle from pong.

With any luck, he can time his death so that when he dies in the game. He'll die in real life.

JJ Rage's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 00:24
JJ Rage
By that logic, you could say consumers don't like to watch good movie anymore just because Epic Movie has out-grossed Pan's Labyrinth.

Hardcore gamers aren't dying out, casual gamers are just growing in numbers. That's it.
DeusPayne's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 00:24
DeusPayne
If anything, I'd say there's more hardcore gamers. Just because more casuals join the market doesn't mean the hardcores are disappearing.

Additionally, if 4 "hardcore" games are released, they'll all likely sell well, with hardcores getting all 4 games. Whereas if 4 of these games like Cars are released at the same time, each of those titles will lose a lot of sales to the others. So hopefully when the industry latches on to these 'numbers', and starts cranking out the craptacular licensed... well.. crap... at record numbers, they'll just end up losing a lot of money. Or perhaps they'll realize that going after a market that by definition doesn't spend a lot of time gaming is a poor marketing decision.
SempraFi's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 00:24
SempraFi
I sort of agree, to a point. Now a days it seems that anyone who plays a "popular game" is hardcore. All you hear in , say, halo 2 is a 10 year old "OMG I'm gonna fuck you up so bad,n00B!,shut the fuck up fag! you don't know how i roll". What the fuck is this community coming to? Just because you have a game, or know how to use a contol pad, your NOT hardcore. On the other hand, there are way to may hardcore WoW nerds out there. If a game takes over your life, literally, you should die. You are a worthless human being with no purpose on earth, there is afine line yet to be drawn and crossed.
Faith's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 00:26
Faith
Over my dead body! HARDCORE FOR LIFE! Now where's my DS?
nightmareci's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 00:34
nightmareci
I'd like to see that thermometer. Maybe I can play Doom on it too?
Niero's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 00:38
Niero
They'll never take me alive! ROBOT HEAD BUTT
ttaylor's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 00:43
ttaylor
This guys a fucking moron. Lots of kids have gaming systems. Kids like cartoons. Cars is a cartoon. They want a Cars videogame. They get hooked on videogames and when they get older they are hardcore fans. Then we have more hardcore games then we have now. It also helps to have a game available on every single platform.
disrupto's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 00:53
disrupto
On one hand, I think hardcore gamers are more defined by their patience for the games and their rewards. They're willing play through those first few hours before the storyline picks up. They're willing to keep at it even if the learning curve is pretty steep. If this is the case, then it seems natural that there are fewer hardcore gamers because the population seems to be getting more impatient and ADD by the day.

On the other hand, I've got warts.
subnet6's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 01:34
subnet6
"Since the only title also released on as many platforms was Madden (and it managed to outsell Cars), one begins to see flaws in the argument."

Not really. Your point fails to recognize that these games were "released on everything" for a reason; they sell.

Most publishers are smart enough to release a game on a platform it will do well on. If a platform is skipped it's because the market research indicates the profit/sales won't be enough to warrant the expense. I guarantee if every game would sell well on every console, then every game would be released on every console, at least every major title from publishers that can afford it and for the most part when we are talking top 10 games sales, that is the case.

Now, I'm not saying he's right, because I don't know, but the point you're referring to is not flawed in the way you say.

The flaw I see is what someone mentioned above. It seems this guy is not taking into account that a certain portion of casual gamers will BECOME hardcore. It's like the hardcore are the "upper classmen" if you will. Casuals are often the "freshmen". Eventually casuals can graduate.

So, maybe the number of hardcore is decreasing as a ratio of hardcore to casual, but my guess is that enough casuals are becoming hardcore over time to offset the losses in our numbers, such that the total number of hardcore games is at least staying level.

Hell, if the Wii can hit as many new customers as they want it to, we may see an uptick in hardcore in a few years once these casuals move away from games like Wiisports to games like topspin or whatever the less casual equivalent of wario ware is.
Lord_Satorious's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 01:59
Lord_Satorious
I don't even know what the term 'hardcore gamer' means. I think it's like 'film aficionado', at what point do you consider yourself a connoisseur of film? I think it's self-labeling; I play "Gears of War" and "Viva Pinata", which are about as different as you can get, but I don't consider myself 'hardcore' over either. Games are games, and all I translate in calling someone a 'hardcore gamer' is that they're an obnoxious dick online.
Aequitas's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 02:21
Aequitas
"Hardcore gamers" is a relative term. Virtually anyone who is into games enough to be aware of the existence of hardcore gamers thinks they are one. Hardcore gamers have actually been on the way out since the vast majority of games ceased having any challenge to them. Parents buy crappy, easy games for their retarded kids, and older gamers (who have jobs and lives) tend not to have enough free time to find spending it replaying a level 15 times gratifying. The fucking kids these days who think they're hardcore would have been humiliated by the games I played as a kid.
Southpwnd's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 02:26
Southpwnd
I agree with Lord_Satorious , The lable "hardcore_gam3r" gets thrown around like a hacky And is only a way of increasing the size of someones e-penis.
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 02:42
Bob Muir
I don't see how casual gamers buying the latest crappy game based off of a kids movie is any different than casual gamers in the 80s buying the latest crappy game based off of an 80s kids movie. They did it in droves back then and they still do it now. It's just that these days, it's easier for publishers to release the same game on multiple systems without too much reworking, so the numbers increase.
Grimgnar's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 02:59
Grimgnar
"The fucking kids these days who think they're hardcore would have been humiliated by the games I played as a kid."

Remember how hard god damn Kung-Fu was? Boy it was fun, but I got tired of being punched in the sack by midgets.

"It's just that these days, it's easier for publishers to release the same game on multiple systems without too much reworking, so the numbers increase"

Well, during the 8-bit days, the only console worth releasing any thing on was NES, and they still dominated the market in the 16-bit days. There have been console wars before, but they keep escalating. Maybe pretty soon we'll have nuclear console wars. The fallout will consist of badly ported Console-to-handheld games, and we'll all long for the days when Nintendo produced was king(I know a lot of us still do).
jason's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 03:08
jason
Cars was tiiiiiiiiiiight.
subnet6's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 08:14
subnet6
"I disagree. Do you claim that Tekken, Final Fantasy, or Metal Gear Solid wouldn't sell well on Xbox 360, or that Dead Rising, Lost Planet or Gears of War would not sell well on PS3?"

First, I think some of these games WILL be cross platform when the opportunity arises for the very reasons I mention. Second, obviously if there is a negotiated exclusive (which I think there are in several of the games you mention) there is a financial reason not to publish cross platform. Lastly, in regard to the 360 games you mention, I DON'T think they would all sell well, at least not yet. The PS3 base is still pretty small and many of the PS3 owners don't have a lot of money for 3 more triple A titles right now. Timing is everything. Look at all the 360 ports on the way to the PS3. It's no hurry for the devs because the base isn't there yet.
Dale North's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 09:17
Dale North
DeusPayne nailed it. That's exactly what I was going to say.
MechaMonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 09:32
MechaMonkey
I missed a lot of the article, because I was still laughing about the picture in my mind displaying that little red fella from cars supping on souls. That pic alone made my day. Well played, Nex.
Analog Pidgin's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 10:25
Analog Pidgin

Slap a diaper on this man, so he doesn't have to get up...that's hardcore.
Farktoid's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 10:39
Farktoid
Hardcore or not, the video game industry is going to continue to be the same as the movie industry. Using giant licenses and big names to fund more original and refreshing products in the hopes that they turn into giant licenses and complete the circle of cheese.

Michael Bay and Joel Shumacher are the movie equivalents of Madden and Cars. The 'hardcore' crowd recognizes that they are awful, awful things, but the vast mouth breathing crowd eats them up. Accept it, and be glad that those morons can fund the smaller, more creative titles.
Stetsonblade's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 11:37
Stetsonblade
Whatcha talking about Nex, almost anything would sell on a PS3 right now. Just give the PS3 something, you know.
leshrac55's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 11:38
leshrac55
Not only was it released for everything, it was released much earlier in the year than a lot of the bigger titles. Those bigger titles have probably outsold it by now.
subnet6's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 11:58
subnet6
I think that picture from analog brings this thread to a perfect close.
somatix's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 12:10
somatix
Hardcore gamers can be defined in multiple ways, although like others have said people throw the term around with no real meaning. I would say a hardcore gamer would be a culmination of multiple factors such as:
+ Time played on games per week, not including casual games such as solitaire
+ Number of games purchased per month
+ Grasp of gamer culture: read gaming websites, know what is going on in the industry, aware of future games that are coming out.

There are other factors those are just a few that I quickly thought up.
Cory_t_'s Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 12:52
Cory_t_
The fact is that "hardcore" gamers pick up casual games also (to pass the time between hardcore games) so the casual games get attention from two demographics, IMO that's why the sales are high. The casual gamer might be on the rise, but the hardcores aren't going anywhere.
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/15/2007 15:42
Darren Nakamura
I think it always has been that the casual gamers have far outnumbered the hardcore. That's like, almost part of the definition of a hardcore gamer. So in a sense, I agree with these guys. But I don't think hardcore gamers are going anywhere, and I don't think that developers will alienate the hardcore completely in favor of the casual.
ElementalBlazer's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/16/2007 22:35
ElementalBlazer
I'm an endangered species.... RAWR!!
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