Are horror games redefining the genre?

I just saw the movie Slither this past weekend and I actually think it might be a good canidate for the video game treatment!

Sadness did just lose it's publisher, so you might want to retract that statement comrade.

Street cred points for mentioning Event Horizon. The only movie that ever actually scared me.

I just found it odd that the first Resident Evil game was heavily influenced by George Romero's Night of the Living Dead and similar films, and yet when it came time to make the first Resident Evil movie, they rejected George Romero's script in favor of something that was only superficially related to the game. ("Hey, it doesn't feel much like Resident Evil, so lets slap a bunch of Umbrella logos everywhere so people don't forget what they're watching!")

The very idea of Horror Games is better than Horror Movies. 2 reasons:

1) YOU decide when to walk through the door/dark hallway/basement. The movie builds the suspence, but when to take the plunge is decided for you, you can even turn away and "Is it over yet?" as some must. No such luck in the game. YOU go.

2) The movie is a completed product, with a set story. In the back of your mind you can think, how is the main character going to get out of this one... No such guarantee in games. At any moment some zombie/giant spider/hatchet murderer could rip your head off.

No horror game or horror movie scared me more than The Descent. That shit traumatized me.

Mmm, walnuts. That's what their heads look like. That is all.

Topic? I saw no topic. Just walnut-heads.

Have you played Stalker yet?

TALK ABOUT SCARY ATMOSPHERE

@ Necros:

I read George Romero's Resident Evil script. Trust me, we were better off with the version we got.

The first Resident Evil game was inspired mostly by an NES game called Sweet Home. The decision to go with zombies as the monsters definitely was Romero influenced (as was any zombie-related media after 1968)

Collete... You're so badass.

I was less badass before you fondled my breasts in Miami. That transformed me into a real woman.

@ Mxyzptlk:

Yeah, just read it tonight, tracked the script down off of Wikipedia. You're right, not that good, even if it seemed a bit closer to the original Resident Evil game.

I remember my first really scare survival horror moment is when i was playing te first resident evil. I was walking down a hallway(mind you i was easier to be frightened at the age of 10) and everything is quiet. I was expecting something to happen like a zombie to come around a corner or something. Then all off a sudden *windows shatter*, the dog smashes through the window into the mansion, i was scared to hell. I literally jumped three feet off my bed. That was my first survival horror moment, and trust me it was a good one.

Games, hands down. FEAR terrified me as nothing ever before in my life had. Hell, even the combat was scary. "Holy shit, elite soldiers who actually know how to fight!"

The interactivity is what does it for me. I don't get frightened at horror movies, because that isn't me getting haunted or whatever, it's some babysitter I don't care about.

horror = epic!

Just watched The Descent after reading this post. *shudder* What a well made movie. That is how horror should be!

both genres tend to be lame due to the inherent problems with the topic matter. it's very hard to write scary. that combined with the fact that most if not all game writing is completely atrocious combined with typically poor voice acting, games unfortunately are pretty low on the artistic pecking order. gamers tend to be more forgiving of these things due to length of content of the material and because there are often some genuinely spectacular moments resulting from eye and ear candy. but moments typically are not enough for anyone who isn't into gaming and those who aren't typicaly have very good reasons for it. my wife for example is an artist and a sf/horror fan and she generally thinks games are lame lame lame. i showed her silent hill two and she was very unimpressed. weird creatures crawling on the ground combined with a lousy plot and iffy dialogue were not enough to keep her attention. my friend who is a published sf writer was absolutely pissed at the ending of silent hill one. as a real fiction and screenplay writer, he needed to see some real resolution to the story to an extent like what was in the movie. i can only imagine the difficulty involved in trying to make a cohesive story out of such random events and situations. most people who aren't gamers need plot lines that make sense and characters with legitimate motivations which tends not to happen in games as much. again gamers such as myself tend to be more forgiving in these matters because there is gameplay involved as well as puzzle-solving and quite often neat things to "discover" in the game. colette rightfully points out that twenty hours beats two in aiding the developers in creating an engaging story but unfortunately i rarely see a story that is truly engaging and thought-provoking on its own. frankly regardless if it is survival horror or any other gaming genre, the story and dialogue tend to be weak. both the gaming and eye candy aspects of the game is what motivates players to continue. i just don't think gaming (and in particular console gaming) attracts writing talent that matches the incredible programing talent we see. finally to answer the questions proposed in the article, it is because excellent movies are hard to make. most studios are interested in 1. keeping costs low, which is why you get mediocre actors like mila whatshername for ri and mediocre directors, 2. courting the teen dollar, which is why they pick a license like silent hill and a tired genre like zombies, and 3. the genre is very hard to write for considering the pressure to stay true to the original "story" with seemingly hundreds of open plot points that have no real explanation or reason to be there other than to add length to the story or provide something cool to see or do - this is called fillerb and there is tons of it in games. in the end i reject the notion that games capture something in a better way than movies do. they are different and one isn't inherently better as a whole. i would say that due in part to some of what i write above, there hasn't been a game made yet that can be considered anywhere near art. there are artistic and arty aspects to them and they can be beautiful at times but they have a long long way to go to make it tosomething we could call art. i think it will some day but it's not even close yet. however movies as they stand today and as they stood 80 years ago can be art and truly great movies survive in a way that we have yet to see in gaming. i would love to see this change but until gaming takes as much care in careful and rich plot development and in voice acting as it does in the candy aspect of it, then it will always be something that is a force in popular culture but limited to popular culture.

Games are definitely better at horror. Theres actually a chance the main character will die. Movies simply CAN NOT create the suspense and adrenaline rush that a game create because the main character almost never actually dies. And even if they do, you know damn well that it will be in the last 10 minutes of the movie, so in the back of my head I have a timer, and if Im only halfway through the movie and Luke has a battle with Vader then I know that he wont die yet. Ruins all the suspense. And, there is something added to an event when you are doing it. I remember when I played Silent Hill 2, and there was this urinal real early in the game, and it does this close up and it says "there is something shining at the bottom, will you reach in?". It took me half an hour to work up the courage to answer yes, after exhausting all other options. I guess I won't spoil what happens for anyone that might play it in the future, but I can say that that scared me more than any movie could possibly hope to do.

Wow, no mention of System Shock 2 so far, color me "shocked". Granted I love Fatal Frame, Silent Hill, Resident Evil just as much as the next thrill seeking nut-case, but come on! You can't think of Bioshock without thinking of the critically acclaimed System Shock, can I get an amen? (Bioshock = no longer having to endlessly tweak System Shock 2 so it'll run in WinXP) :)

audition, descent. excellent horror movies.
slither. a really good movie, surprisingly.
but has anyone seen High Tension?
Now that shit is wtf scary

colette. you rock hardcore.

One of my defining moments as a gamer was running pell-mell through late-game dark Silent Hill (SH1) with the flashlight turned off because I was almost out of ammo and didn't want the freaks in the dark to see me. (Yeah, I was a n00b who didn't know you could stomp on downed enemies at first, and wasted far more ammo than I needed to.)

For me, mindscrew horror trumps shock horror any time, be it in a movie or a game, though I much prefer the games to the movies usually.

@Mxyzptlk

Sweet Home was awesome. I'd like to see the movie one of these days too.

I'm a real puss when it comes survival-horror, Resident evil is as far as i've ventured with the genre. i had to laugh when playing resi 4 with my little brother (no chance of doing it alone!) i was running from the first regenerator you meet,turned a corner, and was met with another one. for once i didn't freak but my brother literally leapt 3 feet straight up off the bed!...i had to trade in the original remake for gamecube...baaad memories...

Fatal Frame is probaly my favorite and most hated game ever...mainly because, yes, I am a huge wuss. I've never been able to get past day 3 in that game, just too freaked out.

And yes! System Shock 2, that game was flipping scary. the only game i can remember where you'd go up to a door and wait, not wanting to open the door.