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Are games bloggers less trustworthy than 'real' journalists? photo

In November of last year (that's last year, not today as some outlets might lead you to believe), the Federal Trade Commission took a worrying interest in online media, singling out game bloggers in particular as outlets that need to disclose whenever they receive free items pertaining to reviews published by their site. The New York Times, (late to the party as most newspapers are), has agreed with the assessment, basically insinuating that bloggers are far less trustworthy than real journalists.

"The readers of his blog are unlikely to expect that he has received the video game system free of charge in exchange for his review of the product, and given the value of the video game system, this fact would likely materially affect the credibility they attach to his endorsement," states the FTC in one of its examples. "Accordingly, the blogger should clearly and conspicuously disclose that he received the gaming system free of charge."

The FTC seems to believe that this is only necessary for bloggers and not other forms of media, indicating that a site like Destructoid is somehow far less trustworthy than your average print rag. The New York Times goes even further, implying heavily that blogs work to please sponsors: "But unlike postings in most journalism outlets or independent review sites, most companies can be assured that there will not be a negative review: if [blogger Colleen Padilla] does not like a product, she simply does not post anything about it."

Hit the jump for my thoughts. 

This is an interesting issue that is going to see a lot of overreaction, but first of all, the major problem here is how one distinguishes bloggers and journalists. It's become a very gray area, especially since many bloggers have found themselves to be more trusted than more so-called "journalists." I'd personally take the words of any blogger over some hack writer for a dishrag tabloid like The Daily Mail or The Sun.

These days, it's both unfair and untrue to imply, as The NY Times has done, that bloggers are somehow less trustworthy than "real" journalists. After all, purveyors of aged news like the NY Times and sensationalist news stations like FOX News, often have to worry about corporate sponsorship and pleasing ad networks far more than bloggers, who are generally independent and free to express their own opinion. To say that it's bloggers who have tainted opinions, when it's "professional" news outlets that are very clearly ruled by marketing, is somewhat hypocritical. 

That's not to say that bloggers are, themselves, angels. You get a lot of liars on sites like Tumblr, who will just spit up any old crap in the name of freebies and attention. The point is that you can't really separate bloggers and journalists, and then state that one group is more truthful than the other. Both sets of media have their angels and devils. 

As far as the FTC goes, I personally find it very disturbing that a government-operated body wants to exert control over the Internet. Sadly, it's an inevitability that one day the Internet will be as regulated and restricted as television and print media, but I would hope that we still have a few years of free enterprise left online. While The NY Times would like to color our impression of blogs and imply that a lack of accountability (not that print media ever takes responsibility) could lead to corruption, I embrace the freedom that blogging gives us, the ability to say whatever we want. 

The FTC states that people have a right to know when they're being "pitched to," which I find hilarious coming from an organization that allowed those duplicitous corn syrup commercials to run. I guess lies and misinformation are okay when they're government-sponsored lies and misinformation. It's alarming to me that blogs are being painted as the untrustworthy ones. Neither the FTC nor print media have an excellent reputation.

As far as games "journalism" goes, all I can say is that, again, I'll trust the opinions of an outlet that simply gets free games than an outlet that works to get hot exclusive reviews and buys its way to the top of the food chain. The FTC and NY Times would somehow have us believe that Gamespot is more trustworthy than an enthusiast blog. simply because one is "professional." As far as I recall it was a "professional" outlet that fired one of its editors for giving a game a negative review.

I just think the FTC has this the wrong way around -- focusing on the accountability of bloggers more than big corporate outlets. It's the big boys who I'd be keeping an eye on, not the little guys who hold themselves accountable to no overbearing company, nor has a marketing department to worry about.

The FTC of course is mainly focused on personal sites written by unpaid hobbyists, but even so, it's a bit cheeky to hold these small enthusiasts more accountable than professionals. While some people are misinterpreting the FTC's guidelines and thinking all blogs are being thrown under a bus, I think the truth of the matter is even worse a little. Why should we make small hobbyists accountable? Let them do their thing. 

If the FTC did want Destructoid and other paid blogs to disclose every little thing we receive, that would be fine in and of itself, if rather invasive. However, it's the singling out of bloggers and not "real" journalists that would piss me off. We are not the ones who should be scrutinized, and besides which, I think our readers are smart enough to know that we already get review copies and the occasional bit of swag. We've never denied it, and we've often made fun articles whenever we get cool stuff. That's more than can be said for the average magazine, that rarely ever discloses a thing. 

If somebody wants to believe that review copies color our opinions, that's up to them. We can't convince them otherwise. We're not going to stop accepting review copies, because we're an indie site and until one of these morally outraged readers offers to spend the necessary several hundred bucks per month for the review team, we're not going to go out buying every single videogame under the Sun.

I think our track record speaks for itself, however. Just check out Metacritic and see how our scores stack up to those of more "trusted" outlets. You can't ever say that a free review copy guarantees a high score from Destructoid. Just check out the Resistance: Retribution review or the Warriors Orochi 2 review. Both of those games were given to me. 

I'll continue to trust bloggers more than "real" journalists, and I'll continue to call myself a blogger. The word "journalist" is a word I'm ashamed of, and it's thanks to just how untrustworthy journos have become. People ought to perhaps consider that the next time they put bloggers under a microscope.


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Dale North's Avatar
Dale North at 07/13/2009 14:24
I get everything for free and hate all of it. Trust that.
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CRAZYAPE69 at 07/13/2009 14:26
Jim, no offence, but what do you do all day apart from destructoiding?
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KrazyKraut at 07/13/2009 14:29
yep sometimes they are....when they only write stories about how much sony sucks...
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Swizzler121 at 07/13/2009 14:30
I think this move by the FTC is to eliminate you. more power to them. I personally believe you are one of the worst videogame reporters on the net. you are heavily opinionated and your posts show it. Its sad to see such a horrible reporter deface the rest of the great journalists on the team.
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Phoenix Gamma at 07/13/2009 14:31
"Why game journalists are blatantly better than bloggers."

Make it happen.
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Bigmoose85 at 07/13/2009 14:31
@ Dale North

why free things are sweet
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BlackDove at 07/13/2009 14:31
Bloggers aren't as good as journalists, because journalists got their jobs by being from a certain white family and having gone to some white college which cost a lot of money, where they learned all about words and how to put them together for great success.

I thought we all knew journalists were better than anyone who ever wrote anything ever.
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Daxelman at 07/13/2009 14:31
We want ur swag and used review copies. Plz.

It's for the children.

Seriously though, it's reviews. Everyone is right and wrong when it comes to it, and nothings going to change that until God/Buddah/Cthulhu starts up a review based blog.

Hehe...I wonder what the blog would be called if it was Cthulhu doing the writing...
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Magnalon at 07/13/2009 14:34
Great work, Jim. I'm ecstatic that since Destructoid is popular, you're able to write these opinion pieces, and they'll get the proper attention they deserve. I'm weary of working on these "state of journalism" write-ups myself because I feel they'll be all for naught. Keep fighting the good fight!

I am also in the "blogger that sometimes gets review copies" crowd, and I cringe every time I see "he is biased because it's free". I think quality writing speaks for itself, and as long as the reviewer notes any and all negative points that a game might have, all we can do is hope that people get the message.

There are, however, tons of bad blogs out there that I know full-well get review copies and give them nothing less than a 9 for the sake of getting freebies, which ruins it for all of us.
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SnakeDude4Life at 07/13/2009 14:35
FTC = Dicks

Most news papers are owned by major corporations, while This site (destructoid) is independent.

I'd rather hear what a poor fat bastard (no offense Jim, HA!) has to say about a game then a 50 year old douchebag on the Viacom payroll thinks about metal gear.

Metal Gear, huh?
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wardrox at 07/13/2009 14:35
Sorry to disagree, but there are a few things in this article I can't help but think you're exaggerating. In the full 86 page report, there is only that one example (out of nine) that deals with blogging. And within that one specific example they talk about "A college student who has earned a reputation as a video game expert maintains a personal weblog or “blog”". And point out he could be given free stuff, and would probably talk highly of it. Where this interests them is with the question; is this advertising being passed off as unbiased opinion?

"I personally find it very disturbing that a government-operated body wants to exert control over the Internet." By asking people to disclose if they got free stuff? I agree it shouldn't be government controlled, but I agree with them when it comes to the actual disclosing of the info.

Paying for a game does impact how it's reviewed, and knowing if a reviewer paid for a game helps understand the review much more. Of course people will complain that you're "bias" or whatever, but those people are idiots, and hiding information from them is hardly going to make the whole system better is it?

You also don't rebut the issues the FTC has, only call them out, as if that some how negates what they are saying? And saying there are bigger issues? Of course there are, that's why there is only a single report on this.

Other than that, I do agree with most of what you're saying. But as you say, this issue is going to "see a lot of overreaction".
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Reginald at 07/13/2009 14:36
good one Jim peacock and gamble.
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Ben PerLee at 07/13/2009 14:36
You know, this is an issue with the games journalism in general, and not just bloggers. Even more, traditional news outlets are just as full of garbage and conflicting intrests as any other site.

Also, I just want to use this as a opportunity to talk about traditional news outlets. They are upset about the problems with blogging, how it's chaged the face of journalism. They need to realize that the "old" ways are not so old themselves, only coming into fruitition within the last 100 years. Before then, the bias of newspapers makes blogging swill look like the WSJ.

Anyway, it's all about integrity. That's something we can all strive for.
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Midgetsnowman at 07/13/2009 14:36
@Krazykraut : Yeah, god forbid Jim have an opinion on something. Its almost like he gets paid to have one or somethi-ohwait
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AnEvilBrowny at 07/13/2009 14:37
Destructoid isn't paid enough money to lie like the NY Times does.
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Forager at 07/13/2009 14:37
It is human nature for us to have personal motives whether a person is a "journalist" or a blogger. The categorical difference is a blogger can publish their own opinion and a "journalist" is imprisoned by the corporate complex that dictates with a twisted iron fist what is to be published and what isn't.
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Timmeh at 07/13/2009 14:41
The distinction made between bloggers and journalists is pretty stupid. The 'professional' gaming news outlets have shown they are for sale numerous times. I think this is an issue at the back of the mind of most enthusiast gamers when they read anything, blog or otherwise. How often do we put give any real weight to previews for example? How honest can someone be with the dev looking over their shoulder and a publisher approving what goes out?

I would have thought that the danger with blogs more to do with rabid fanboyism than backhanders.

But still, you can't expect the print media to endorse the online media that has been eating up their mrket for years...
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Jesus H Christ at 07/13/2009 14:41
In other news, print media is dying and lashing out at the animals that have replaced them on top of the food chain.
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ParaParaKing at 07/13/2009 14:42
I don't know about less trustworthy, but they are less trusted for multiple reasons. Especially when they result to trolling or bewbs for hits.

Nice article though. I liked it.
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jfrost at 07/13/2009 14:44
Because JOURNALISM.
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Ververdan0226 at 07/13/2009 14:44
I think a distinction needs to be made between professional paid blogs like Destructoid and every little po-dunk blog from some asshole who thinks writing three news stories and one unedited editorial a week from Mississippi is his way into the industry. It comes down to the fact that just because a blog like Destructoid is not owned by some corporate parent company such as Ziff Davis, that they are much less credible. Just because you are not on an organized payroll spitting out whatever blather that they feel the reader wants doesn't make you different in any way, in fact if anything, it possibly makes you more valid (here's looking at you Gamespot). In the end, an opinion is an opinion and saying that their is a distinction between a legitimate blog like Destructoid and a corporation like Gamespot is unfair because they are both valid opinions coming from people know what they are doing and enjoy doing it. As long as a blog is professional and spits out news and well-written editorials (here's looking at you Jim) in a professional manner unlike most shit little blogs on Blogspot, it is fact, fact I tell you, that no line between them can be drawn which separates them in any discernible manner.

And plus, the fact that blogs have free reign and can talk about which game characters they would like to bang in one sarcastic-ass post is, if anything, better than what I read from the typical IGN of the industry. Keep up the good work Destructoid, you do it better than most corporate companies anyway. :)
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Havoc Fang at 07/13/2009 14:44
I trust Destructoid's reviews over other such reviews. But I'll still read them. Knowing what other sites and sometimes those things on paper think gets a good range to refer to, even when I end up reading The Sun's game reviews (They called MGS 'Solid Gold' and called GTA4 amazing before blowing it apart, hilariously).

I think most people would argue that blogs are even more trustworthy. Less pressure, more focus on a particular subject, more personal instead of the PROFESSIONAL JOURNALISTS WHO DO NOT WISH TO RESIDE IN THE SAME SPACES AS US PLEBS.

And how they can throw in some actual comedy, making it a lot more of a 'Yay! Bloggerisms!' instead of 'Oh. Journalisms. How acknowledgable.
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The Prodigal Son at 07/13/2009 14:47
How dare you call Fox News "sensationalist", Jim Sterling. They are fair and balanced -- they even SAY SO on their channel! : )~
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walkyourpath at 07/13/2009 14:49
Well done, Jim!

This really just smacks of print newspapers trying to clear some market space for themselves online. As their physical readership continues to drop, they're facing the reality that their readership and revenues will have to be re-tooled for the internet.

Looking forward, they know they're going to be competing with the indie bloggers of the world for page hits and advertising dollars. They know that they're going to have to scratch and claw for market share in a new medium where territories have been well defined.

So of course, like any establishment threatened by a loss of power, they start fighting dirty. The first sign that a political campaign is losing is when the mudslinging begins.

This isn't going to be the last time you hear the newspapers use accountability, trust, and professionalism as buzzwords to convince readers to stick with them, even though they're as likely to fact check with Wikipedia or accept a first-class plane ticket as anyone else.

Also, since video-games are responsible for violence, addiction, and the disintegration of family values, we might as well add the murder of the printed word to the list of charges, no?
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randombullseye at 07/13/2009 14:49
What's to stop any person from coming up with a snazzy name, slick web design, and having a blog with some credibility?

I like that the line is blurred even more. Where as with actual game developers, I've only spoken briefly with them. Journalists are anxious for attention and often respond to any nonsense. For example, commenting on your blogs. If I comment I'm not only a part of the community, but I get a response from you. You're somehow aware of my own existence and together, we've became entangled in a moment in history that neither of us can take back.

I don't really find blogs to be credible, but I do enjoy them. Kotaku's not somewhere I like to go all that often, they're tone and style don't work. Joystiq I enjoy for their presentation. The humor is kept to a minimum and when they try it usually falls flat, such as their recent Dead Space girl humor. Over here, I hung my hat, so I can't just leave. I could, but I've become invested. Jim Sterling, Collete, Chad, all the others, I know their names. That doesn't happen with magazines. Not unless they've silly personas like Miss Spell or Dan Electro.
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wanderingpixel at 07/13/2009 14:51
@Wardrox
JOURNALISM!!!
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KIDA26 at 07/13/2009 15:00
Bloggers aren't as good as journalists, because journalists got their jobs by being from a certain white family and having gone to some white college which cost a lot of money, where they learned all about words and how to put them together for great success.

If this is supposed to be sarcastic, I am not picking up on it. If it is actually a serious post you are an ignorant ass clown.
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HiddenAHB at 07/13/2009 15:00
I find Dtoid way more tustful than the other "big boys".
Great article Jim, another good example of how misunderstood the industy is and how people that know shit about videogames try to talk about them.
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Korinthian at 07/13/2009 15:03
If anything, bloggers and people that write for sites like Destructiod pounce on games they hate and try to pull Yahtzees all the time.
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Hawks at 07/13/2009 15:04
This is probably just some tard getting pissy because HE had to school to become a journalist, meanwhile most people today just start blogging. The NYT also has a record of dissing online media, anyone ever watch the Colbert Report?

I think in theory the difference between a blogger and a reporter is that blogs are opinionated and reporters are supposed to be unbiased. In theory, but in practice thats complete bullshit(thinking specifically of Fox News and politics).
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Br0th3rGr1mm at 07/13/2009 15:07
Several points:

1) A "professional" Journalist with said "degree" should have been taught (via degree) that conflicts of interest in reporting are BAD and should in all cases be avoided to maintain an unquestionable level of integrity on the subject they are writting on. That being said, any journalist that reviews ANYTHING they get for free is suspect and violates some level of ethics "professional" journalists are taught to uphold (that last statement almost made me laugh out loud....I seriously don't think any REAL "professional" Journalists exist any longer). Restraunt reviews, Movie reviews, pretty much ANY review that gets the reviewer something for free is suspect. Period.

2) I see no problem with a requirement that any review of any type require the writter to STATE what items being reviewed were obtained at no charge and whether said items are returnable or not (or will be returned or not). Lots of trust is involved in this statement and the dishonest will prosper (or appear to be more honest), so this is solution is still rather shoddy.

3) Singling out Bloggers as needing this type of check and ballance rather than writters / reviewers for other media is laughable. I'm pretty good at spotting a Bullshitter (even in writting), and I base my "who do I trust" on that gut feeling. Sure, I can be fooled, but usually not on a continuing basis. It's pretty easy to spot a total moron and you can see paterns in "slick willy" types that give them away after a few reviews.

Bottom line...trust those that earn trust. Period.
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Rhyno at 07/13/2009 15:09
I tend to trust blogging sites like Destructoid for gaming news and opinions WAY more than corporate sites like Gamespot, or "professional" outlets like the NY Times. For many of the same reasons, I would trust someone like Spoony for movie/game reviews (he does both) a lot more than the "professional" outlets (plus it's more entertaining).

Also, lol at some sites thinking this is new.
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Discarded Couch Sandwich at 07/13/2009 15:10
Blogging as I see it, is pretty much just all about the opinions of certain people, and in a place like Destructoid whose cast equals an incredibly diverse range of opinions on pretty much every game related topic, I don't see how you could go wrong. Its not as if the site forces its opinions upon you, but rather promotes you having your own opinion. That in my view, makes the bloggers a much more reliable, and most definitely interesting source of information.

Only problem with the blog's reputation are the the more narrow-minded, stupider outlets who house opinions akin to "yeah, that Hitler did a bang up job," which simply should be changed or stuck under a rock somewhere. I don't know where all those angry Mr. Destructoid heads came from on page three of the 'Sony needs to STFU' article, but they should crawl back to whatever pit they came.

There's some real vocal assholes that seep into here, and make the rest of us look bad. I guess that'll never change though..
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Ganjookie at 07/13/2009 15:12
I don't really trust blogs for reviews ever. I expect because I'd like to believe in journalistic integrity and hate the word blog, and people who blog freak me out.

if it is your PAID job to review games, right on. If you just some dope with no inside view to the industry but only want to write from a gamer/customer standpoint I could care less.

Personally I don't take paid reviews words to heart much either. If I like the idea of the game, I will rent it and see for myself.
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garison at 07/13/2009 15:13
Good post, Jim. You are a great writer. One of the best.
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KIDA26 at 07/13/2009 15:13
I think in theory the difference between a blogger and a reporter is that blogs are opinionated and reporters are supposed to be unbiased. In theory, but in practice thats complete bullshit(thinking specifically of Fox News and politics).

This is a good point. The problem I have with the blogger is that many of them attempt to pass their opinions over as fact. This is where the danger lies. You can't just assume that poeple out there are smart enough to know that what you are writing isn't fact. That is why I perfer stories that use sources and research. Blogs tend to make many mistakes that even a simple google search (or even spell checker!) could solve. I realize this has nothing to do with review bias (which seems to be he primary argument here)... but it's jsut my 2 cents on the issue.
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hpv at 07/13/2009 15:14
You should state whether the game was given to you for free or if you paid for it. I'd think that the price you paid for the game should probably be included, too. Just as an informational piece if nothing else. If I'm paying $60 for a copy of Terminator Salvation I'm going to be PISSED and that shit is getting a 2/11 (1 point for basically working and another easy epenis extension). If I'm renting it for 3 days from Gamefly and whoring it for trophies I'm much more likely to give it a 7/11 or so.

But this piece by the NYTimes (which I'm not going to read because I'm lazy and it's sure to be too long) isn't about ensuring proper perspective or protecting customers, it's about doing whatever they can to defend their business against the bloggers who are eating their lunch by actually doing journalism from time-to-time.
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kauza at 07/13/2009 15:18
Read the intro and immediately thought of the fact that there's really no line between bloggers and "real" journalists, as they aren't cliques who hang out in the halls of a high school and try to copy each other's styles. Glad you spoke in length about that, Jim, even if I don't fully agree that bloggers can be trusted more than "journalists."

Not a ton more I can say here, I guess, other than to echo the sentiments of everyone else. One thing I will say is that I don't trust Destructoid's reviews any more than any other outlet. Now, that might sound bad, but it really isn't. What I mean by saying that is that Destructoid, like any other outlet, isn't immune to bullshit. If one of the Destructoid writers really wanted to, he or she could still write a completely unfair review. It's not the fault of Destructoid as a site, nor is it 100% under the site's control. No matter who is employed at a site, there's always room for the very things that make us human to get in the way. Bloggers are not robots. They're affected by past experiences, personal preferences, and even just little things that piss them off. Maybe a blogger applied for a job at the developers who made the game they're reviewing. Unconsciously, perhaps this blogger is a little bit pissed about not getting that job. Might it affect a review score? It's not out of the realm of possibility. We're all human, even the bloggers.

Do I believe this stuff takes place at Destructoid? Not really, but how would I know? The simple fact is that I'm always going to keep in mind that every review is written by a human being, and even if a score isn't swayed by money or free shit, it might be affected by something else. Unless they're corrupt, bloggers are just as credible as any other human out there, and that's plenty enough for me. Whether there's really more corruption amongst journalists than bloggers is something that I'm not comfortable deciding, but I know certain journalists/bloggers that I trust and others that I immediately ignore, and they intermingle.

Hmm, guess I did have more to say after all.
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Br0th3rGr1mm at 07/13/2009 15:28
.....every little po-dunk blog from some asshole who thinks writing three news stories and one unedited editorial a week from Mississippi is his way into the industry. .....
Was THIS intentional? You do realize Jim actually lives in the Magnolia Stane now...right? Oops...was that a secret?
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KIDA26 at 07/13/2009 15:41
You piece of shit. Always race with you people. And you wonder why NOBODY WANTS TO LIVE/BE AROUND YOUR KIND. I'm actually surprised you have the time to contribute...Shouldn't you be robbing/raping something, yo?

Way to be the bigger man there dude. Now you are a racist asshole too. How's it feel?
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Sentry at 07/13/2009 15:50
The argument of accredited vs. not-accredited aside, there's a nugget of sense in this accusation which I think merits some attention. How the reviewer came into possession of the product is indeed an element that should be mentioned in the full context of a review, REGARDLESS of who's writing it or where. The expectations game pretty much always affects a person's opinion or experience of something, and there's a difference between someone who received something for free and found themselves pleasantly surprised, and somebody who waited eagerly for months upon months before rushing out and purchasing their own copy out of their own finances (hell, sometimes it even matters how much cash said person has to burn). Granted, these are but two examples, but I think that they're nuances that do indeed matter in the scope of a review.

As for the FTC, what legally happens regarding online content is, ultimately, out of most of our hands. Ideologically, however, I've never been a big fan of "accredited is universally better than not". There are responsible journalists/reviewers/critics/bloggers and there are irresponsible [those people again]. Being completely objective and unbiased is not always a quality I'm looking for in a reviewer - nor do I think that they should be - because they're not always qualities I have when personally approaching a game. To suggest that there are universal standards in the realm of criticism is absurd, as there are no universal opinions. People will follow the reviewers that most reflect their own tastes and approach regarding whatever respective creative mediums, be the reviewer a professional, a hack, or otherwise.
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Los255 at 07/13/2009 15:51
I always sense honesty from Destructoids reviews and that's why I read them here more than other sites.

I doubt I'll get a review in which the reviewer couldn't even finish that game because it was so bad anywhere else.

Blogs are made for gamers, by gamers, and if the source of what I'm reading from has the same ideas and thoughts as I do of the gaming world, then Im more likely to gravitate to them.
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PEICanada7 at 07/13/2009 15:52
The thing that gets me about bloggers is, they think that just because they put a sarcastic slant on something makes it relevant, and credible. Like they're pitiful attempt at humor, all of a sudden, makes the shit that they write credible, and we as the readers should just except it as fact. Your opinions does not equal fact, and the faster bloggers realize that, the better off we'll all be. Plus bloggers think like they're entitled to say whatever the hell they want, and have no consequences for it. Then they whined about how no one takes them seriously, like real journalist.

That's because you're not real journalist, and never will be. You don't make the news, you just regurgitate story's from other gaming media outlets. Now having said that, I think blogs are great, and I love having one place to go to find out about all of today's gaming news, but don't act like you're more important than you really are. However, anyone coming to a video game blog should know, that you guys get most of your review copies for free, because that's just how the business works. So I don't find blogs any less trustworthy, than any other gaming media site!
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Happymeowmeow at 07/13/2009 15:52
I agree with kauza, I don't necessarily trust bloggers more than the "real" media.
Everyones got biases, everyone sells out.
Especially in the realm of vidya, its all a business (of course you could argue everything in the news has people making or losing money behind it).
You want to stand out, send all the freebees back to the developers. Give them away to nerds in training at your local high school. Burn them in anarchist effigies. Don't accept free games for reviews, actually pay for them yourselves, and the full retail price at that. (of course I'm assuming all game jounalists get free review games, for all I know a lot of you are footing your own bills). Whatever.
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Sentry at 07/13/2009 15:53
Pizza party something long name - Daww, you're adorable.
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Nic128 at 07/13/2009 15:56
I'll read any review I'm interested in, if they praise it, ok. If they're biased, ok. I read a review as an entertainment piece. Bloggers tends to have more fun.

Also RACISM. Seriously wtf?
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Sentry at 07/13/2009 16:09
PEICanada7 - "The thing that gets me about bloggers is, they think that just because they put a sarcastic slant on something makes it relevant, and credible."

I don't believe that's true in the slightest. At least, not of all people who could be defined as bloggers, and certainly not of the editorial staff of Destructoid. I think what separates the quality from the dregs is the fact that they hold themselves accountable for what they say, and bring a certain measure of professionalism to their work, whether they've been "credentialed" or not.

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Jim Sterling at 07/13/2009 16:13
"Sorry to disagree, but there are a few things in this article I can't help but think you're exaggerating. In the full 86 page report, there is only that one example (out of nine) that deals with blogging. And within that one specific example they talk about "A college student who has earned a reputation as a video game expert maintains a personal weblog or “blog”". And point out he could be given free stuff, and would probably talk highly of it. Where this interests them is with the question; is this advertising being passed off as unbiased opinion?"

I quite clearly point out exactly what it was that the FTC said, but I perhaps did not make a clear enough distinction between the content of the FTC report and the content of The New York Times' spin, which is where most of my rage came from. I agree that the FTC did not automatically say "all blogs are lies and must be shut down," of course. I do, however, worry when they cast their eyes on blogs which should, as far as I'm concerned, have the freedom to say what they like, whether they're telling the truth of not. They have a moral obligation to tell the truth, yes, but they should not be told by another body to do so, ESPECIALLY if it's some podunk little blog that doesn't matter. Really, why should the FTC show an interest in a college student's blog? Bigger fish to fry, surely.

"By asking people to disclose if they got free stuff? I agree it shouldn't be government controlled, but I agree with them when it comes to the actual disclosing of the info."

Yes. It's not the government's business what a college student says on his personal Web site. I don't like the government taking an interest in the editorial content of a person's Web site. That's a slippery slope. I appreciate that these are just guidelines, not rules. But when do guidelines become rules? When we allow them to.

"Paying for a game does impact how it's reviewed, and knowing if a reviewer paid for a game helps understand the review much more. Of course people will complain that you're "bias" or whatever, but those people are idiots, and hiding information from them is hardly going to make the whole system better is it?"

Well, I don't know about anybody else, but I'm smart enough to work out that a Web site above a certain traffic threshold is getting copies for free. As for Web sites below a certain threshold, it should be their choice. As for the NY Times pretending this is an issue with bloggers and not the media at large, fuck them.

"You also don't rebut the issues the FTC has, only call them out, as if that some how negates what they are saying? And saying there are bigger issues? Of course there are, that's why there is only a single report on this."

Again, my main issue is with the NY Times and what it chose to do with this report. I even said in the article that I don't have a problem with disclosure per se. My problem is the potential for disclosure to become forced, and for it to single out a certain medium while other media is getting away with hypocrisy and lies on a far more damaging scale.
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Magnalon at 07/13/2009 16:20
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Jim Sterling at 07/13/2009 16:21
" "The thing that gets me about bloggers is, they think that just because they put a sarcastic slant on something makes it relevant, and credible.""

No, that's not the reason at all. I can only speak for myself, but my sarcastic tone is not to make my stories "credible." First of all, it's simply who I am, and I can't exactly change that, and second of all, I'm a blogger. Like you said, I don't break the news, usually. Much of my work is aggregation. And of course, if I was a boring aggregate who just reproduced straight facts, what would be the point in reading my shit?

My job is to give people something worth reading, hence why I share my own editorial opinion. My job is to make a news story that someone may already know more funny, to provide a fresh angle on it that they may not have considered. This is why news sites have readers but Destructoid has fans.
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