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Iterative improvements of existing design is innovation. I hope the appeal goes through. UK threw that case out. S Korea fined them both for frivolously suing. America finds 10/11 decisions in favor of the richest company to date... Hrmm.
This is kind of douchy of Apple in my opinion. Isn't imitation just flattery? My Atari used a controller so did my Nintendo so should Atari sue Nintendo. What a bs case.
it's a sad day when companies stop competing on quality and customer-experience and start competing solely trough courts...
The only ones that are gonna suffer for this are consumers, US-consumers because they will be denied access to some of the best phones around and all customers worldwide of both apple and Samsung will be paying through the nose for these ridiculous lawsuits... "witnesses" being payed 1000+$/hour, lawyers costing about as much for a trial that lasted a few weeks plus the actual fine...
All foreign companies should just say "Fuck You America" and get out, just let them stew in their own crap and let their own companies sue each-other into oblivion until nothing ever gets released anymore... Because that is what eventually will happen with your retarded patentsystem: MAD ( Mutually Assured Destruction ) where eventually only the biggest patent troll will be left standing... Can't wait for that day ( or for the day that the US finally figures out that software-patents are the most retarded idea ever ( except maybe dropping nukes on cities ))
The only ones that are gonna suffer for this are consumers, US-consumers because they will be denied access to some of the best phones around and all customers worldwide of both apple and Samsung will be paying through the nose for these ridiculous lawsuits... "witnesses" being payed 1000+$/hour, lawyers costing about as much for a trial that lasted a few weeks plus the actual fine...
All foreign companies should just say "Fuck You America" and get out, just let them stew in their own crap and let their own companies sue each-other into oblivion until nothing ever gets released anymore... Because that is what eventually will happen with your retarded patentsystem: MAD ( Mutually Assured Destruction ) where eventually only the biggest patent troll will be left standing... Can't wait for that day ( or for the day that the US finally figures out that software-patents are the most retarded idea ever ( except maybe dropping nukes on cities ))
Oh noooooo, I have a Galaxy S2 Epic 4G! I hope it's not banned, it's a great phone. The funny part is I originally wanted an iPhone and went with this phone because it was cheaper and better (or at least looked better) than an iPhone.
Man I hope this turns out well.
Man I hope this turns out well.
It's not "backfiring". Samsung will appeal and it will be a panel of judges looking at the thing instead of a biased jury. There's no backfiring at all, the punitive damages were something the court can impose if the court of appeals affirms the verdict, which it probably won't.
I still find this infuriating. I've spend the last ten years of my life working in the mobile industry. Within five feet of my desk there are nearly 100 different devices. Guess how many of them look similar? Both America and Apple have let consumers down. Luckily all the devices listed are aging and shouldn't have a critical impact. Samsung is also very quick to respond with software changes. They should be able to patch out most of the offending "patent violations".
@Jozzz
There are video games are smart phones these days, amazing right? Apparently the market on this things is huge and there's this popular game called Angry Birds out on it that you've probably never heard of (despite it making millions). I can understand why you'd ask that though, these games aren't as big as Collar Dooty.
There are video games are smart phones these days, amazing right? Apparently the market on this things is huge and there's this popular game called Angry Birds out on it that you've probably never heard of (despite it making millions). I can understand why you'd ask that though, these games aren't as big as Collar Dooty.
@ Buff - BRITANNICA? Hilarious, man.
@ mistic - companies have been doing this for about two centuries. They always take each other to court for serious-to-petty copyright and patent infringement. It's a good thing. It forces the infringers to come with novel ways to not infringe and it gives the non-infringers a sense of false security.
Before you know it, Samsung will come up with some seriously ground-breaking tech and everyone will try to ape it. Samsung will then sue them and win in some places and lose in some places.
@ mistic - companies have been doing this for about two centuries. They always take each other to court for serious-to-petty copyright and patent infringement. It's a good thing. It forces the infringers to come with novel ways to not infringe and it gives the non-infringers a sense of false security.
Before you know it, Samsung will come up with some seriously ground-breaking tech and everyone will try to ape it. Samsung will then sue them and win in some places and lose in some places.
congrats apple - you are the worlds largest patent troll. you sorta won the week/month, but this type of business practice isnt sustainable. (and this is coming from someone who was a pretty strong defender/advocate of the company till they decided to be a gadget/app company)
Some things to clear up
1: Ban means sales ban, current owners cannot be the victim of these actions. As far as I know you can also still sell them used
2: quite often these things are very easy to patch
3: the jury ruled far to fast, 700 patents in 21 hours which is a little less than 2 minutes per patent. This really makes it a strange ruling.
4: they mostly based their evidence on internal emails where samsung discussed copying features however that does not mean they breach patents, patents are specific enough to often include the same features without breaching a patent.
1: Ban means sales ban, current owners cannot be the victim of these actions. As far as I know you can also still sell them used
2: quite often these things are very easy to patch
3: the jury ruled far to fast, 700 patents in 21 hours which is a little less than 2 minutes per patent. This really makes it a strange ruling.
4: they mostly based their evidence on internal emails where samsung discussed copying features however that does not mean they breach patents, patents are specific enough to often include the same features without breaching a patent.
not saying samsung didn't do anything wrong just saying the ruling itself was not done right. (stupid jury system)
Apple can go suck a fuck.....
I wouldn't touch iTunes because of all the crap DRM they piled in. Now that that is removed and I have been actually using iTunes, I find that I now can't in good conscience continue to do so because apple is being a complete douche.
No the Samsung phones weren't exactly original but then again neither was anything apple did.... short of adding "on a smartphone" to their patents of decades old PC innovations. I certainly hope Apple enjoys their monopoly over the rectangle while it lasts.....
Add to that a Jury that essentially ignored prior art because it was "bogging them down" ...... fer fucking srs?
I wouldn't touch iTunes because of all the crap DRM they piled in. Now that that is removed and I have been actually using iTunes, I find that I now can't in good conscience continue to do so because apple is being a complete douche.
No the Samsung phones weren't exactly original but then again neither was anything apple did.... short of adding "on a smartphone" to their patents of decades old PC innovations. I certainly hope Apple enjoys their monopoly over the rectangle while it lasts.....
Add to that a Jury that essentially ignored prior art because it was "bogging them down" ...... fer fucking srs?
Good. Maybe this will encourage actual innovation in the industry instead of everyone copying Apple.
FYI, the appeal cannot backfire. Treble damages are within the discretion of the district court. Either they'll be awarded or they won't. There is no penalty for appealing.
This is what patent laws are good for. Big companies preventing other people from competing with them.
If you look at those Samsung phones they are pretty much a carbon copy in terms of UI. I couldn't believe it when I saw it.
fuck the world. seriously.
"HEY GUIZE, I MADE UP MOUSES! SUE LOGITECH AND MICROSOFT FOR MAKING THINGS THAT LOOK LIKE MICE. LOL! LOOOOOOOOLLLLL!"
i use to think inception was a stupid movie, but considering the weight our govt gives to ideas, it looks like in fact -I- was the stupid one for believing one could not OWN an idea. guess it's just a few more steps before we start legally recognizing god somehow because he's an idea, and ideas ARE REALLLLL.
"HEY GUIZE, I MADE UP MOUSES! SUE LOGITECH AND MICROSOFT FOR MAKING THINGS THAT LOOK LIKE MICE. LOL! LOOOOOOOOLLLLL!"
i use to think inception was a stupid movie, but considering the weight our govt gives to ideas, it looks like in fact -I- was the stupid one for believing one could not OWN an idea. guess it's just a few more steps before we start legally recognizing god somehow because he's an idea, and ideas ARE REALLLLL.
so glad i gave up on "smart" phones. i love my dumb phone so much more now. while you people throw away money on smart phones and contracts and 120$+ data plans etc. im using my phone as a phone. and saving so much money each month.
samsung devices have videoed games on them, so this is video games.
also, 50 shades of grey mentions xbox, can you report news about that franchise with obnoxious corgies photoshopped into images of the book or vice versa?
also, 50 shades of grey mentions xbox, can you report news about that franchise with obnoxious corgies photoshopped into images of the book or vice versa?
@ursu if it bothers you don't read the story. Also can you come into a article you don't care about and spend time being a prick?
Pretty fucked up Apple is allowed to do this. It's weird that Apple went after Samsung and not Android. I'm guessing Android wasn't responsible for creating the UI design? Why the fuck would you sue over something as simple as UI?
A wise man once said: Bill gates is so rich he hired cancer to kill Steve Jobs. Okay it was Jeff Ross, not exactly a wise man.
A wise man once said: Bill gates is so rich he hired cancer to kill Steve Jobs. Okay it was Jeff Ross, not exactly a wise man.
I think everyone is missing the point here. This is a matter of Samsung knowingly and purposefully copying an Apple device, by admission of their own design documents. In this instance, Samsung isn't far above the Chinese knock offs that plague multiple industries.
But the world has just boiled it down to 'Apple is a bully' when it's clear Samsung copied a popular device in more than a few ways.
Does that make a lawsuit between two billion dollar companies any less frivolous? No, but there is a case here. You couldn't get away with that in any industry aside from gaming, it's no different here.
But the world has just boiled it down to 'Apple is a bully' when it's clear Samsung copied a popular device in more than a few ways.
Does that make a lawsuit between two billion dollar companies any less frivolous? No, but there is a case here. You couldn't get away with that in any industry aside from gaming, it's no different here.
@Tekbunny: Does that mean my idea of a custard filled Ellen Degeneres monster with squid arms is real? Shit.
@tekbunny
Well technically Xerox made the mouse..... and they are rather strapped for cash at the moment >.> perhaps it is time to sue anything that looks and acts like a mouse.
God patent system and those jurors yo... so full of disappoint ~.~
Well technically Xerox made the mouse..... and they are rather strapped for cash at the moment >.> perhaps it is time to sue anything that looks and acts like a mouse.
God patent system and those jurors yo... so full of disappoint ~.~
@ardent snow
...The story appears on the front fucking page, you dolt. I don't need to go onto another page.
This is not news for a video game site.
...The story appears on the front fucking page, you dolt. I don't need to go onto another page.
This is not news for a video game site.
Ok, I guess you could call be a "Mac/Apple Guy" but this is a bit extreme. What about the people who may lose support for their smart phones?
@Ursu: Just because something is on the front page doesn't mean you have to read it. Believe it or not you can "not read" articles by "scrolling down" or "going to a different website.
In any case, I'm not sure how this -isn't- video game news. Smart phones make up a HUGE chunk of the video game industry these days, and Samsung and Apple both basically have a third of the smartphone market.
Yeah, I get it, you don't care about smartphone games. Good for you. But they exist. And they are video games.
In any case, I'm not sure how this -isn't- video game news. Smart phones make up a HUGE chunk of the video game industry these days, and Samsung and Apple both basically have a third of the smartphone market.
Yeah, I get it, you don't care about smartphone games. Good for you. But they exist. And they are video games.
@RenegadePanda
not missing the point - Samsung did willfully emulate certain features of Iphones, the questions are:
a) whether the features in question are patent-able. (rounded corners? general look? lots of these are (patent)trollish
and
b) how much apple actually lost as a result of that copying (assuming the features copied are patentable)
I'm fine with Samsung paying for B - as long as it's legit. So far, what has come out about jury behavior and inconsistencies within the rulings makes it sound like they were more intent on "teaching Samsung a lesson" than in enforcing the (admittedly fucked up) vagaries of US patent law.
Besides, Prior Art. Almost everything that was "copied" is in the device-osphere before Apple, they were just the first to patent them (which is messed up - those patents should have never been granted)...
hence
Apple = patent troll. (and i was a big supporter of them for over a decade (typing this from my trusty macbook pro))
not missing the point - Samsung did willfully emulate certain features of Iphones, the questions are:
a) whether the features in question are patent-able. (rounded corners? general look? lots of these are (patent)trollish
and
b) how much apple actually lost as a result of that copying (assuming the features copied are patentable)
I'm fine with Samsung paying for B - as long as it's legit. So far, what has come out about jury behavior and inconsistencies within the rulings makes it sound like they were more intent on "teaching Samsung a lesson" than in enforcing the (admittedly fucked up) vagaries of US patent law.
Besides, Prior Art. Almost everything that was "copied" is in the device-osphere before Apple, they were just the first to patent them (which is messed up - those patents should have never been granted)...
hence
Apple = patent troll. (and i was a big supporter of them for over a decade (typing this from my trusty macbook pro))
HEY SCOTTYG - 1. guess what the largest videogame platform is. 2. if this story doesn't suit you, read one of the other 15 videogame related news stories i've been fucking reporting on for the last past 5 solid hours of work. <3
and @phil
it is if you patent it, apparently. welcome to america, my friend, the land of what the fuck ever.
it is if you patent it, apparently. welcome to america, my friend, the land of what the fuck ever.
Oh how my country has turned into a joke, it's appaling how Apple made a mockery of our (corrupted)court and (broken)patent systems.
People grovel before Apple like they're some sort of godlike being; they made a couple cool devices, new heights(lows) in drm, and their own worthless format...and overcharged the fuck out of the same people that worship them.
People grovel before Apple like they're some sort of godlike being; they made a couple cool devices, new heights(lows) in drm, and their own worthless format...and overcharged the fuck out of the same people that worship them.
I just like the Ted video that shows the guy using a multi-touch before Apple "invented" it and clearly states that the technology has been used since the 80's.
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