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GamePolitics, gaming journalism's answer to intelligent people, has a story up right now which details a dialogue between the site and Dr. Susan Bartell, a woman who went on Fox's The Morning Show with uneducated opinions and slammed Halo 3. Her defense is that, even though she believes teens shouldn't play such games, her ignorant sensationalism is just the way television works.

This opens a window to something we all knew, and now we have proof -- that most so-called 'experts' care more about frightening the public for attention than actually providing thoughtful, reasonable coverage on the 'violent' games debate. Bartell used brain scans shown to her only five minutes before the show went on air to form an 'opinion' on how games make children violent, but don't worry ... that's just the way it is with TV, remember.

Bartell implied on The Morning Show that after a child plays a 'violent' videogame (put in quotes because games themselves are NOT capable of violence), they are likely to murder somebody who bumps into them in the street. Such wild and dangerous claims are damaging to a very wonderful industry, but Bartell doesn't seem to mind. After all, it's just business.

Hit the jump for what was said between GP and Dr. Bartell and ask yourself -- what's more dangerous to society? A simple videogame, or a TV show that reaches millions and essentially whips them into hysteria for precious ratings? I know what scares ME more.

GP:  One thing I found especially concerning… was [an e-mail] comment that you only saw the [Indiana University] brain scan pix five minutes before air [of The Morning Show]. That being the case, do you think it appropriate to go on and offer a professional opinion based on the scans to the audience?

Dr. Bartell: That’s the way it is with TV — it’s just not a black and white thing. I am genuinely sorry that it caused such a sense that I was being so disrespectful [to gamers]. The scans aside I stand by my opinion that violent games should not be played by teens… As to whether I should have responded to the scans — my intent was going on air to discuss whether the church should be holding Halo nights, clearly that was derailed.

GP: In all honesty, I’m having difficulty reconciling “that’s the way it is with TV” to responsible professionalism. It smacks of sensationalism. Just being candid here.

Dr. Bartell: I can understand how you feel… there is an element of sensationalism to it I suppose, but no less, IMO than all the hoopla created by the GP posters in response to my appearance. I appreciate candor — it will always help me grow as a person and as a professional. I couldn’t — five minutes before going on air — say, sorry I won’t do it, I don’t have enough background information about this brain scan! I’m just not that much of a purist…








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Clockwork's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 14:36
Clockwork
I think that psychologist in the video is onto something. After playing Halo 3, this one time, a homeless guy bumped into me, I threw a plasma grenade at his face and started teabagging his lifeless body. We really have to stop all this violence.
Spykron's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 14:37
Spykron
so i have less cheetos in my brain when im shooting things, is what this woman's pictures clearly portray.
PacoDG's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 14:38
PacoDG
If it wasn't for shitty sensationalism, Ann Coulter would cease to exist.
PrinceofCannedPeaches's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 14:39
PrinceofCannedPeaches
You're putting a good and decent industry - one that generally abides by the standards of ethical distribution set for it - at stake because you're "not that much of a purist"?

Shame on you Dr. Bartell, and shame fall upon anybody who should ever happen to disparage an art form (looking at you Ebert, Thompson) simply because they lack adequate information.

Let me give you a note for next time: if you ever have a deadline to meet to present some similar commentary on a subject you are not acquainted with, just back out and back away, lest you so righteously receive the deluge of hatemail that you well deserve for your last diatribe.
PrinceofCannedPeaches's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 14:40
PrinceofCannedPeaches
Not to mention, that red could very well be ketchup. You could be more tidy while eating, Dr. Bartell.
Spartacus's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 14:46
Spartacus
What exactly do those brain scans mean? All I see is that the violent brain has a...different cheeto in it than the "good" brain. This does not tell us that the brain is violent. If that were actually true, there would be more than, like, zero cases of people killing a random pedestrian SOLELY because of games. You'd have to be SUPREMELY messed up to do that, and there is absolutely no way for playing video game to actually cause you to go insane and kill a person who otherwise wouldn't. Effing "hoopla" sayer. She didn't even use it in the right context...

*mumbles to self*
9to5's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 14:46
9to5
after playing Halo 3 singleplayer for aout 5 minutes I then wandered into the street, punched the next passing pedestrian in the face whilst screaming "fuck you Bungie". Please note I did none of the above whilst playing Bioshock.
boatorious's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 14:47
boatorious
People have pointed out that you'll almost never see a conservative pundit and a liberal pundit go head to head on tv -- they end up agreeing too much (and not shouting enough) and tv producers think that is boring.

The tv producer approved formula is either right-wing hack vs. liberal pundit, left-wing hack vs. conservative pundit, or just hack vs. hack.
blehman's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 14:47
blehman
We have this kind of crap journalism in Tejas too. There's a law, entitled the Castle Doctrine, which let's you shoot first in a break-in without getting in trouble. Well, this 70 year old guy that lives on his junkyard property has shot two people in about three weeks due to the fact they were climbing the fence trying to steal stuff.

Well, this high and mighty reporter stops the guy outside of a sports store where he just bought a new shotgun, because his other was confiscated by the police since it's still considered evidence, and brutally questioned this poor old guy. Here's the footage. (Well, I don't get youtube at work so I hope that's the footage) She got suspended due to this, and I believe ANY reporter more motivated by sensationalism instead of journalism should be suspended for lack of journalistic integrity.

That's what I think anyway.
9to5's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 14:49
9to5
after playing Halo 3 singleplayer for about 7 minutes I wandered into the street and punched the next passing pedestrian full in the face whilst screaming "fuck you Bungie". Please note that after many hours of playing Bioshock I managed to remain a productive and wholesome member of society.
blehman's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 14:50
blehman
Also, great av 9to5. I may have to play that again now.
Darren Nakamura's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 14:52
Darren Nakamura
Pff, everybody knows psychologists aren't real scientists anyway.
foxhound009's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 14:54
foxhound009
what a lot of rubbish.. differen't brain activity when playing action games? how about different brain activity when playing action games becouse it requires higher reflexes and much more concentration huh?

negative becouse player needs to get in to the character of the game? aren't teachers telling us when reading an book to get in to the story and it's main character?


The reflexes that we train while playing couses us to pick up a gun??
first time I hear ir but I'm sure she's got an good for telling this.

I'm with her on one thing though, no religion should use such things to attract young people, it's a bribery... if you go to church becouse of halo3 isn't that a sin? shouldn't preachers know this, don't they know the're commiting an sin when they're doing this???

for the rest, lady in suit, bring some facts some real scientific facts don't make those loose arguments.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 14:54
Holyetheline
If I want to pk someone irl then I will... but in all truth... who wants to pk anyone irl? Just psychopaths... that's it... and there are crazy murderers out there... some may be games... but the problem exists within the gamer, not the game itself.
MaxVest's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 14:56
MaxVest
I completely agree with you on this one, Jim. I haven't had a good blog rant in a while... thanks for the fodder.
9to5's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 14:56
9to5
@blehman

thanks. my work here is done.
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 14:57
king3vbo
...OH NOES MAH CHEETOH COUNT IS OFF, IMA GO KILL SOME BITCHES!

Its all about their fucking ratings. Dont believe anything you see on TV
FuriousGeorge's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 14:59
FuriousGeorge
well the guns DO feel like super soakers......


but isnt halo 3 rate 'M' Teens shouldnt be playing that to begin with...... shame.....
9to5's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 15:01
9to5
Yeah but Heroes is true though... come on people don't burst my bubble
Nubc4kes's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 15:06
Nubc4kes
I'm glad to see that orange splotches in different patterns with absolutely no indication to what part of brain they correspond to can be used as scientific evidence. That's totally legit.

Also, I'm glad that increased brain activity is actually directly proportional to violent behavior. I'm pretty sure that's a scientific fact.

Finally, not being told anything about how a study was conducted actually makes me believe it even more. It's not like the games they were comparing could really make a difference in a teen reaction.
Twiggy's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 15:15
Twiggy
You might note that in the followup GamePolitics did, the good doctor said she wasn't given time (and indeed doesn't have the experience) to properly comment on the psychological ramifications. Does it scare anyone that 'experts' can go on TV shows and sound off without proper credentials? I could get a PhD in anything, go on Dr. Phil and have millions of lives in the palm of my hand. Doesn't anybody think there should be more regulation, or at least editorial oversight on this stuff? I mean, if the Times or the Post or whatever mess up a few details they get called on the carpet. How many more people form their opinions based on these inane morning shows? We can't make them any less awful, but shouldn't it be possible for them to be a bit less blatantly unsourced?
Corak's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 15:18
Corak
Welcome to the mainstream media. Reporters aren't reporting the news anymore, they are looking for a "story." Something that screams ratings, gets them and their station a bigger paycheck, and its called journalism. I talked to my dad about this the other night, back when he was growing up there was only 3 news channels, and that's it. They reported what was going on, had a few interviews and that was it. You didn't get that many of these opinion pieces that you get now, because after all this is someone's opinion its NOT proven fact at all, and when you put it on a news station that millions of people see they take it as fact, which isn't always the case. All these mouthpieces on cnn, or fox news shouldn't be there.

Just report what is going on, I don't need to see you chasing after some poor shlub that just got convicted of murder to get his opinion of what happened to him just so you can get a story thats "good TV." Just say what happened and move on ffs.
Cheeburga's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 15:23
Cheeburga
I have an urge to shoot up my local convenience store for cheetohs.
brb.
9to5's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 15:32
9to5
After browsing the interweb for a couple of hours I simply have the urge to shoot up, br...b
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 15:33
Bob Muir
I didn't know gamers were such loose cannons. Apparently, if you bump into them on the street, they'll shoot you on the spot. I've gotta be more careful.
blehman's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 15:34
blehman
@Twiggy: That'd be one more PhD than Dr. Phil has.
wardrox's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 15:45
wardrox
goes and kills people, also rapes
KamikazeTutor's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 15:49
KamikazeTutor
Her interview with GamePolitics serves in no way of an excuse for her terrible behavior on that tv show.
No sane person can say that "I acted like that because that's how tv wants us professionals to act."
If she is as sane as she makes it believe on the GP interview, she would have gone to that show and simply screw all of those idiots saying that in no way does a game create a killer.
MaxVest's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 16:00
MaxVest
@blehman: Dr. Phil's bio says he earned a Doctorate in clinical psychology at the University of North Texas. The origin of the asserted Ph.D of Susan Bartell, on the other hand, is proving impossible to track down. Anyone?
MaxVest's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 16:11
MaxVest
Never mind. Looks like Ms. Bartell went to the Ferkauf School of Graduate Psychology at Yeshiva University. But she did get a Psy.D., not a Ph.D., which is akin to the difference between a D.O. and an M.D. Phil McGraw's degree was a Ph.D.
Eschatos's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 16:19
Eschatos
People like this screw up the world more than I do. And that's saying something, considering the fact that I play video games.
blehman's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 16:21
blehman
@Max: Ok, well that's one more PhD than Dr. Phil needs.
thedude93's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 16:43
thedude93
I agree with nubc4kes, who knows which part of the brain was stimulated. Could it be possible the same part of the brain used while solving advanced calculus? I know when i am playing i am constantly trying to adapt and react while finding the best solution.

Also, I hate TV!
Brandon2520's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 16:43
Brandon2520
OMG you know what? SHe is so right! I did some brain scans on kids playing mancala, and then some kids playing football and I found taht kids seemed to get really aggressive while playing football! It is our duty as a human race to ban football because it uses a different part of the brain than mancala! I also noticed that after football players lose horribly to an opponent they tend to be grumpy! Imagine if one of these grumpy players were to get taunted after the game? What could happen? I sure as hell don't want to find out. Shit, lets fucking ban EVERYTHING that causes adrenaline to flow through our bodies!




j/k, that psychologist is a fucking dyke and deserves to die.
Jetsetlemming's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 17:25
Jetsetlemming
Fuck it.
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 17:50
Samit Sarkar
Well, frankly, I’m amazed that conventions with mass meetings of gamers — like E3, GDC, DigitalLife, etc. — don’t end in massive gunfights and brawls. I mean, following this lady’s “logic”, a gamer on a Halo bender is a school shooting waiting to happen.

Riiiiiiiiiight.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 18:02
Sharpless
It's sensationalism. Is anyone surprised? I hope not.
Fading Star's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 19:38
Fading Star
"I appreciate candor — it will always help me grow as a person and as a professional. I couldn’t — five minutes before going on air — say, sorry I won’t do it, I don’t have enough background information about this brain scan! I’m just not that much of a purist…"

Congratulations, you have little to no credibility!
CrackaSlim's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 20:11
CrackaSlim
the general consensus is stupid and they will attack whatever is perceived as the enemy of society be it rock, rap, films, books, or in this case video games.


-Off Topic- Do you think television stations get good ratings when people spend more time playing video games?
nademagnet's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 21:39
nademagnet
I want a brain scan of Jack Thompson when he is awake. I bet it's full of "Cheetos."
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 22:03
Samit Sarkar
@nademagnet: Nah, I bet it shows no activity at all. MRI scanner: “Does not compute”
Maldom's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 22:32
Maldom
I beat off vigorously while playing Halo what does this mean?
0chan's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 22:33
0chan
all tv stations should be shutdown,
we only need videogames and the internetz
gamesronlygames's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 22:55
gamesronlygames
shame on you guys video games kill people
bmdubya's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 23:00
bmdubya
Well after playing Halo 3, I learned that you can't go anywhere in this world without a sniper rifle, a needler, and a handful of plasma grenades. You never know when you are going to run into a Brute.

Seriously though, the claims they make in this interview are ridiculous. Like someone else said, the game is rated M, teens shouldn't be playing it PERIOD. It isn't Bungie's fault that the game gets into the hands of minors. I hate it when parents don't take the blame. When their kid messes up, they point the finger at someone else. I guess by their claims, anyone who plays Guitar Hero will be able guitar, or someone who plays skate is going to be able to do a 360 Nollie heelflip. Well I must go, I just saw some random guy give me a dirty look outside. I'm gonna stick a plasma grenade up his ass and then piss on his corpse.
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/19/2007 23:45
Aaron Mxy Yost
I was going to say pretty much what Brandon2520 did... Have they done any brain scans on teens after playing any activity that normally causes a surge in adrenaline? If the same results are shown after a game of football, is this person going to go on TV and start saying teens shouldn't be involved in high school sports?

Things like this are exactly why I wrote off mainstream news years ago.
NinjaX's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2007 00:16
NinjaX
I don't know who's worse, the so-called psychologist or the idiot audience applauding her. Either way, this is the reason I gave up hope on mainstream TV.

They talk badly about the Internet, videogames, and everything neither they nor the general public (ie, people who are totally inexperienced in that field).

I wish that, for once, they get Adam Sessler and Alex Albrecht together in a show to stand up for gamers and Internet users. Those two, without a doubt, would silence all false accusations and BS from ignorant people who just happen to have a college certificate (or a PhD decorating the wall behind their desks, big deal. I'm an undergrad and I already know more than they do about what they're lying about).
Raymod's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2007 03:53
Raymod
OK! I'm a bit confused here, those two brain scans that they showed were surely wrong i did a little Google Search for images on brain activity and this was on that came up

and then this one.


Now going on the brain activity on the second image I'd say that the scans on the video clip are in no way related to playing video games because surely there's more brain activity involved in playing a video game than there is reading a sentence, cos in a video game you're performing the majority of the things stated above. and if i were to compare the scans from the image to the video clip I'd say that playing a video game is the equivalent to reading words
Otsegowupiwupi's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2007 05:23
Otsegowupiwupi
Microsoft made halo 3?
nademagnet's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/20/2007 10:35
nademagnet
@Raymod
Maybe those scans on TV were of someone with a Mental Defect?
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