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I just installed Custom Firmware on my PSP....
... there's a strange oudorless gas coming through the vents, wait, is that, Zyclon B!?
*dies*
... there's a strange oudorless gas coming through the vents, wait, is that, Zyclon B!?
*dies*
This is actually really nice to hear. I said just yesterday that I couldn't believe they were hurting consumers/gamers by their actions which seems like a truly awful PR move. I think the only reason this is even an issue is because the PS3 was so open in the first place and then that openness was taken away. If we never would have gotten that taste then none of this would be happening I don't think. So really, we shouldn't be all that upset at a company that makes a console a closed system, esp. when that closed system still rules thanks to the games being REGION FREE!!! That is still one of the coolest things about Sony's goods. I still hate that about my Wii and I am not pleased about it for the 3DS that I will eventually be getting.
Oh, so these fuckweeds actually have conscience? Good for them...
Hopefully they'll keep it that way.
Hopefully they'll keep it that way.
@Sony, Anonymous, commenters and the rest of the internet
LEAVE ME ALONE! I JUST WANT TO PLAY MY FUCKING VIDEO GAMES!
LEAVE ME ALONE! I JUST WANT TO PLAY MY FUCKING VIDEO GAMES!
I never had any problems with PSN anyway but hey, as long as they're not fucking up my ability to play Killzone 3 they can do whatever. Rock on, anon. Couldn't care less.
sofik88, I used to think you were simply a mildly disturbed fanboy, but my opinion of you keeps sinking. I'm starting to believe that there really, honestly is something wrong with you. The hatred you have for Sony is fucking scary. You need help. Or maybe you're just an idiot, I dunno.
Why the bloody hell can't people just let the goddamn court cases play out? If Sony is wrong, then they'll lose, and it will be over. Anonymous's attempts at extortion aren't going to help anyone or anything.
Why the bloody hell can't people just let the goddamn court cases play out? If Sony is wrong, then they'll lose, and it will be over. Anonymous's attempts at extortion aren't going to help anyone or anything.
"Good. Fuck You Anonymous!! The only thing you assholes represent is a culture of entitlement. A bunch of whinners who believe the world owes you a living."
Wait, you DO realize the hypocrisy here, right? You couldn't play over PSN for 2 days and you're pointing the "entitlement" finger? Were you staring at the wall for that time (and of course reading destructoid) ?
Here's a thought experiment: suppose Sony removed PSN through a firmware update in the name of hardware security or something ridiculous like that and Anon did their mischief to let Sony know their grievances. I don't have a doubt the same sheeple will jump in the defense of Sony as they are doing now.
Yet in reality Sony is bending the law to their will in acquiring personal information off various sites in their effort to convict a kid in a frivolous lawsuit that will do nothing to stop Homebrew on PS3 when the public has a right to be protected against being unwilling "evidence" in this case and has the right to be protected by law from corporate interest. All this when I can legally walk into an Apple store, jailbreak an iphone there, and still access the appstore; what's the difference on a PS3?
On top of that I'm in Canada, so I can torrent all the movies I want without fear of breaking the law because it's legal.
Wait, you DO realize the hypocrisy here, right? You couldn't play over PSN for 2 days and you're pointing the "entitlement" finger? Were you staring at the wall for that time (and of course reading destructoid) ?
Here's a thought experiment: suppose Sony removed PSN through a firmware update in the name of hardware security or something ridiculous like that and Anon did their mischief to let Sony know their grievances. I don't have a doubt the same sheeple will jump in the defense of Sony as they are doing now.
Yet in reality Sony is bending the law to their will in acquiring personal information off various sites in their effort to convict a kid in a frivolous lawsuit that will do nothing to stop Homebrew on PS3 when the public has a right to be protected against being unwilling "evidence" in this case and has the right to be protected by law from corporate interest. All this when I can legally walk into an Apple store, jailbreak an iphone there, and still access the appstore; what's the difference on a PS3?
On top of that I'm in Canada, so I can torrent all the movies I want without fear of breaking the law because it's legal.
@sofik sony aint fucking with anyones rights. You don't like thje eula don't accept it and don't fucken play online. How simple is that? What egotistic moron as yourself thinks you own psn? What a dumbass, oh and all this dickriding you keep saying makes you a huge hypocrite cuz you know all the dickriding on microsoft you do. I'm sure that not everyone that hacks is a terrible person or pirates but can't you see how hacking consoles leads to so many downfalls? Is it really worth it as gamers to hack to just to play homebrew when thousands of others use it for illegal actions? I'd say just keep it on pc.
Sony has done more for me enjoying my PS3 than Anonymous has. I've said it before and I'll say it again - Most people don't want homebrew. Throwing a hissy fit over not being able to have it shows how immature you are. At least Anonymous have stopped for now. Hopefully they'll also grow the fuck up while they're at it. They're not Activists, they're pricks with a god complex
@ Aurain - He will rise again.....(hopefully anyway)
Also, I find Sofiks comments REALLY fucking insulting :(
@ SC - I completely agree with the whole fucking up a Japanese company right now, especially as they have promos running that raise money for charitys on the service now, and the downtime of PSN could well cut into that.
Thats how I see it anyways....SC?....Dude?......fuck, I think he really is dead....(pokes with stick....)
Also, I find Sofiks comments REALLY fucking insulting :(
@ SC - I completely agree with the whole fucking up a Japanese company right now, especially as they have promos running that raise money for charitys on the service now, and the downtime of PSN could well cut into that.
Thats how I see it anyways....SC?....Dude?......fuck, I think he really is dead....(pokes with stick....)
Deadly Premonition was written by a branch of Anon.
Of course, there'a absolutely no way to prove that.
Of course, there'a absolutely no way to prove that.
@basstomouth oh noez!!! Sony found out the number of people who visited that site in california and now going to come to my house and kill me! Get real, and this case could change that whole jailbreak law. "I torrent movies cause its legal" your morally fucked up, ahh I love being a dick.
in reality anon felt the heat coming and backed down.
just like the school bully who doesn't fight because he doesn't want to get his shoes dirty.
just like the school bully who doesn't fight because he doesn't want to get his shoes dirty.
@Basstomouth
Legitimate PS3 users that comply with the terms of service are entitled to use the PSN, and faulting some third party douchebags performing a DDOS attack to prove they're only doing legal things (...wut?) isn't unreasonable. Describing anon as unduly entitled is dead on. What else would you call people that think they can disingenuously agree to something just because they can blow it off with "EULAs probably don't hold up in court"?
I'd suggest you actually think and come up with some examples that aren't totally asinine. No one would jump in and defend Sony for shutting down the entire online service "or something ridiculous". Look at that, you can't even come up with a realistic action for them to take! Strawman, plain and simple. It's like saying "what if Microsoft updated Windows so it could never connect to a network or the internet?". It's a worthless example because it would never happen. Then again, you've used the terms "thought experiment" and "sheeple" so there's a good chance most people will think the same about you for being so incredibly full of shit.
I mean, seriously? "Sheeple" has practically become a joke about falsely-enlightened activists with bullshit causes that think they're above everyone that disagrees with them. That word is probably the only thing dumber than Sofik's Godwin invocation.
Legitimate PS3 users that comply with the terms of service are entitled to use the PSN, and faulting some third party douchebags performing a DDOS attack to prove they're only doing legal things (...wut?) isn't unreasonable. Describing anon as unduly entitled is dead on. What else would you call people that think they can disingenuously agree to something just because they can blow it off with "EULAs probably don't hold up in court"?
I'd suggest you actually think and come up with some examples that aren't totally asinine. No one would jump in and defend Sony for shutting down the entire online service "or something ridiculous". Look at that, you can't even come up with a realistic action for them to take! Strawman, plain and simple. It's like saying "what if Microsoft updated Windows so it could never connect to a network or the internet?". It's a worthless example because it would never happen. Then again, you've used the terms "thought experiment" and "sheeple" so there's a good chance most people will think the same about you for being so incredibly full of shit.
I mean, seriously? "Sheeple" has practically become a joke about falsely-enlightened activists with bullshit causes that think they're above everyone that disagrees with them. That word is probably the only thing dumber than Sofik's Godwin invocation.
@Erdrick
Hi. I'm a consumer. I bought a machine that plays videogames. Oh wait! I can't play videogames on it because of internet terrorists? My specialized machine that is built for videogames? My "consumer rights" have never been violated by Sony. I bought a machine that is supposed to play video games and allow me to watch blu-ray films. Sony has really provided that for me and has done nothing to impact my ability to use my device as it is intended.
However, Anon's attacks on PSN prevent me from using my device as I want, thus violating my "consumer rights". The leaderboards being destroyed as a side effect of "homebrewing" violates my ability to enjoy my machine as I want. Having the value of my trophies diminished to less than nothing because some assholes made a program that unlocks all trophies instantly. These are things that damage the integrity of a system I enjoy using.
I'm all for homebrewing and experimentation, but I'm not for hackers and piracy, which has been one of the only things I've seen rise from Geohots work. Saying Sony is a bad guy and is violating consumer rights over that, or even over the Linux thing, is petty and wrong. I don't like how Sony is going about fixing the problem, but I also don't like Geohots attitude either. If Geohot took a more understanding position, (understanding of the position of most consumers and of Sony), then I'd support him. But he acts like an entitled brat. He acts like a baseball player arguing that it's his body so he should be able to use steroids all he wants, to hell with the integrity of the game. And then you're jumping in there and arguing that the MLB is in the wrong for stepping in. That the rights of one player outweighs the rights of all the other players, and all the viewers.
Playing games is the whole point. It is the reason that 99% of people bought PS3s. Of course that is all they care about.
Hi. I'm a consumer. I bought a machine that plays videogames. Oh wait! I can't play videogames on it because of internet terrorists? My specialized machine that is built for videogames? My "consumer rights" have never been violated by Sony. I bought a machine that is supposed to play video games and allow me to watch blu-ray films. Sony has really provided that for me and has done nothing to impact my ability to use my device as it is intended.
However, Anon's attacks on PSN prevent me from using my device as I want, thus violating my "consumer rights". The leaderboards being destroyed as a side effect of "homebrewing" violates my ability to enjoy my machine as I want. Having the value of my trophies diminished to less than nothing because some assholes made a program that unlocks all trophies instantly. These are things that damage the integrity of a system I enjoy using.
I'm all for homebrewing and experimentation, but I'm not for hackers and piracy, which has been one of the only things I've seen rise from Geohots work. Saying Sony is a bad guy and is violating consumer rights over that, or even over the Linux thing, is petty and wrong. I don't like how Sony is going about fixing the problem, but I also don't like Geohots attitude either. If Geohot took a more understanding position, (understanding of the position of most consumers and of Sony), then I'd support him. But he acts like an entitled brat. He acts like a baseball player arguing that it's his body so he should be able to use steroids all he wants, to hell with the integrity of the game. And then you're jumping in there and arguing that the MLB is in the wrong for stepping in. That the rights of one player outweighs the rights of all the other players, and all the viewers.
Playing games is the whole point. It is the reason that 99% of people bought PS3s. Of course that is all they care about.
Isn't that sweet of them. Not. At this time they say they are not attacking PSN, but they did already. They may as well bring it on now and get it over with so Sony can track them down and fuck up their network.
Oh my Sofik, your obsession with Sony and accusing people of buttsex and sucking dicks is really disturbing.
And quite interesting for every psychiatrist. You know what they say when you have an obession. :P
And quite interesting for every psychiatrist. You know what they say when you have an obession. :P
Well,alrighty! Thank you,Anonymous. I appreciate it. Thank you. How about you come over for dinner with the wife and kids? Karen has been dying to know what you've been up to the last couple of years!
Didn't you guys think about that BEFORE you attacked PSN where all of our accounts are located? Hmm...? I understand that you guys are angry at Sony, and I agree. However, I like many others, have purchased quite a lot of software from PSN and if your little stunts damages OUR accounts we will all be extremely angry with YOU, not Sony.
Atleast they admitted it. I'm fine if they want to protest and fight against them, but when it comes at the inconvenience of the people you're defending it just doesn't work. It's not flip-flopping, they just realized the way they didn't wasn't right.
my race does not play online on anything non pc so I didn't care about the psn attack other than it giving a bad image to the action.
Sofik has to be the biggest piece of shit posting on this site. Since when did needlessly prosecuting one hacker and having a shady EULA become a transgression equivalent to genocide? Do humanity a favor and die slowly in a fire.
@Basstomouth
Well I've missed some of the fun already, but your comment says it all. "Whaaa I can jailbreak an iPhone why not a PS3...I live in Canada I can torrent as much as I want (not totally true by the way) whaaaa...." You just want shit, you don't want to pay for it, and you don't care who suffers for it. Plain and simple.
@Maniac
Only someone who has never worked a day in his life thinks this is just about Sony. Replace Sony with Microsoft, and the comments here would read the same for the most part. The only difference would be that Sofik would be screaming for the heads of GeoHatz, and any Anon members the courts could round up.
Well I've missed some of the fun already, but your comment says it all. "Whaaa I can jailbreak an iPhone why not a PS3...I live in Canada I can torrent as much as I want (not totally true by the way) whaaaa...." You just want shit, you don't want to pay for it, and you don't care who suffers for it. Plain and simple.
@Maniac
Only someone who has never worked a day in his life thinks this is just about Sony. Replace Sony with Microsoft, and the comments here would read the same for the most part. The only difference would be that Sofik would be screaming for the heads of GeoHatz, and any Anon members the courts could round up.
Too late Anon. Sony Ninjas are already out to track you down...
But hey don't worry it is just for the lulz :P
But hey don't worry it is just for the lulz :P
A number of years ago I think it used to be the case that once a cyber-crime, such as a DoS attack, causes a certain amount of financial loss (I think it was $25K in the 90s?), the matter becomes a federal crime? Whilst I know Anonymous ridicules the FBI as a matter of course, the severity of the crime and subsequent investigation would have increased, had the attack brought down the PSN store for a sustained period.
Regardless, as a consumer, I will defend my own rights by voting with my wallet, should I feel Sony are abusing me. I, and all other consumers, do not need Anonymous to protect our consumer rights. This is EXACTLY why I do not buy Activision games at day one release price. This is why I have never played Spore or Crysis.
What the Hotz case should boil down to in the courts, once the jurisdictional shit is sorted, is the fact that you absolutely can do anything you want to a system you own. Just as some of Hotz's supporters are so keen to point out. Shove mashed potato into the fan, strap wheels onto it and, yes, install custom firmware.
But you cannot devise the means to circumvent anti-piracy measures and distribute this knowledge.
If you are technologically competent enough to devise the means to modify your own PS3, and wish to do so for linux or homebrew, go for it. Its your system, do whatever the fuck you want. But if you then pirate games, or distribute the requisite knowledge for pirating games, you are in the wrong.
I get the impression that the majority of Hotz's "you should be allowed to do what you want to the system you own" supporters lack to technical ability to modify their consoles on their own, and are reliant of knowledge from inidviduals like Hotz for instruction. Those that are smart enought to modify their own consoles do not go around bragging about it, or enabling piracy by distributing the knowledge. At least, those who are not Hotz are smart enough not to do this...
Regardless, as a consumer, I will defend my own rights by voting with my wallet, should I feel Sony are abusing me. I, and all other consumers, do not need Anonymous to protect our consumer rights. This is EXACTLY why I do not buy Activision games at day one release price. This is why I have never played Spore or Crysis.
What the Hotz case should boil down to in the courts, once the jurisdictional shit is sorted, is the fact that you absolutely can do anything you want to a system you own. Just as some of Hotz's supporters are so keen to point out. Shove mashed potato into the fan, strap wheels onto it and, yes, install custom firmware.
But you cannot devise the means to circumvent anti-piracy measures and distribute this knowledge.
If you are technologically competent enough to devise the means to modify your own PS3, and wish to do so for linux or homebrew, go for it. Its your system, do whatever the fuck you want. But if you then pirate games, or distribute the requisite knowledge for pirating games, you are in the wrong.
I get the impression that the majority of Hotz's "you should be allowed to do what you want to the system you own" supporters lack to technical ability to modify their consoles on their own, and are reliant of knowledge from inidviduals like Hotz for instruction. Those that are smart enought to modify their own consoles do not go around bragging about it, or enabling piracy by distributing the knowledge. At least, those who are not Hotz are smart enough not to do this...
Bunch of crybabies, I can't believe Anon gives a shit about you pussies.
I really don't care about Hotz, but I do think the whole industry needs to collapse and have something better built on the ashes.
But then, I feel that way about a number of things, probably including the United States.
I really don't care about Hotz, but I do think the whole industry needs to collapse and have something better built on the ashes.
But then, I feel that way about a number of things, probably including the United States.
I'm so sure that's why. First we get called collatteral damage, now we are special. Seems like Sony's the one standing up for our rights, despite being unintentionally.
noone should find the strive to get linux back on the ps3 a bad thing the costs of supporting linux where the main reason for sony to stop it not security risk. source a lot of places originally http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/115/1157475p1.html
An ounce of maturity from Anon is a welcome change.
I sort of view them as an immune system for the internet. They attack threats (real or imagined) relentlessly. They may not get rid of the problem, but they really do make it hard to ignore.
They may be a flawed collective sentience, but I do think that the internet is better off with them than without them.
I sort of view them as an immune system for the internet. They attack threats (real or imagined) relentlessly. They may not get rid of the problem, but they really do make it hard to ignore.
They may be a flawed collective sentience, but I do think that the internet is better off with them than without them.
@Trev
I believe what Basstomouth was alluding to is the removal of otherOS.
Both otherOS and PSN were advertised featured used to sell PS3's. The removal of either feature is equally egregious. The only difference being your personal interpretation of the perceived value of each respective feature/function.
Surely, we're all in agreement that many people bought a PS3 solely for the otherOS functionality, much in the same way people bought PS3's for blu-ray playback and have never even played a game on it.
I believe what Basstomouth was alluding to is the removal of otherOS.
Both otherOS and PSN were advertised featured used to sell PS3's. The removal of either feature is equally egregious. The only difference being your personal interpretation of the perceived value of each respective feature/function.
Surely, we're all in agreement that many people bought a PS3 solely for the otherOS functionality, much in the same way people bought PS3's for blu-ray playback and have never even played a game on it.
They probably lashed out at the PSN because it was the easiest, most blatant target.
As far as I know Anonymous doesn't have any central structure. Its hard to collaborate and make pinpoint decisions when you have no clear leader, I'd think.
W/e. Anonymous has my entire support again. Good on them for stopping the PSN attacks.
As far as I know Anonymous doesn't have any central structure. Its hard to collaborate and make pinpoint decisions when you have no clear leader, I'd think.
W/e. Anonymous has my entire support again. Good on them for stopping the PSN attacks.
The damage is already done. Anonymous has proven that Sony has reason to defend its services from being infiltrated and its consoles from being hacked.
It allows anyone willing to put in a bit of time and effort to destroy their business and upset millions of paying customers.
I'm not saying Geohot or whatever deserves to have his life ruined over this, but Geohot himself was one of the people who helped make this kind of damage a reality. I'm sure there's more groups than just Anonymous capable of such foolishness.
It allows anyone willing to put in a bit of time and effort to destroy their business and upset millions of paying customers.
I'm not saying Geohot or whatever deserves to have his life ruined over this, but Geohot himself was one of the people who helped make this kind of damage a reality. I'm sure there's more groups than just Anonymous capable of such foolishness.
Translation: "Internet hacker activist group Anonymous" means "four or five /b/tards that are about to get sued and/or go to jail." And never has "Anonymous" attacked a bigger target than Sony, the world's (not just Japan's, the entire fucking world's) premier consumer electronics company. You serious? I don't care how good of a hacker you think you are, Sony has better on standby, and they're just waiting for you to try something. Which is probably exactly what happened.
i was so gonna get moon diver on psn, but with the outage i passed on it and kinda forgot about it and am no longer interested in playing it.
so now sony has lost my money. because of these pricks. how many other people were going to buy something those days psn was down and have now just kinda moved on to something else?
we gamers have short attention spans and if we dont impulse buy a game, we will prob never end up getting it down the road. especially if its a downloadable game.
thats alot of money down the tubes for sony.
so now sony has lost my money. because of these pricks. how many other people were going to buy something those days psn was down and have now just kinda moved on to something else?
we gamers have short attention spans and if we dont impulse buy a game, we will prob never end up getting it down the road. especially if its a downloadable game.
thats alot of money down the tubes for sony.
....And you call yourself a community? the same people who were hating sony few months ago are now defending them violently? wishing death upon anonymous? BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING AND YOU'RE NOT?
you fucking digust me, you turn sides quicker than a fucking mercenary
You will rue the day they will fucking take your rights and you'll be crying to make them stop, you will rue that day.
Goddamn I hate humanity so much sometimes, christ sake man, and it's all represented by the incompetant commentators who post their views only on who and what's it's about.
Have you seen actual proof that Anonymous downed PSN? Did Sony actually said that? Have you seen this? http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110218181557455 Have you seen the way how they treat legal issues? Have you seen what they do with your private information?
They answer to all those questions is yes, but you don't give a fuck, because you're so goddamn ignorant. You fucking feed, and feed and complain only when your services are interrupted. I won't make you see, no, you will see at the end, you will see when it is too late.
I swear to god, this community is starting to look like Bill O'Reilly, you fucking devils.
Better some action than nothing.... Keep it up Anon. Peace.
you fucking digust me, you turn sides quicker than a fucking mercenary
You will rue the day they will fucking take your rights and you'll be crying to make them stop, you will rue that day.
Goddamn I hate humanity so much sometimes, christ sake man, and it's all represented by the incompetant commentators who post their views only on who and what's it's about.
Have you seen actual proof that Anonymous downed PSN? Did Sony actually said that? Have you seen this? http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110218181557455 Have you seen the way how they treat legal issues? Have you seen what they do with your private information?
They answer to all those questions is yes, but you don't give a fuck, because you're so goddamn ignorant. You fucking feed, and feed and complain only when your services are interrupted. I won't make you see, no, you will see at the end, you will see when it is too late.
I swear to god, this community is starting to look like Bill O'Reilly, you fucking devils.
Better some action than nothing.... Keep it up Anon. Peace.
Oh great, now their on my side? Screw that. I don't care about those little idiots. They ought to be facing criminal charges instead of just a civil suit. I hope Sony sues them into bankruptcy.
@sohei
Prime fucking example, you don't see the long term consequences, and why should you bother, you're already brainwashed
Prime fucking example, you don't see the long term consequences, and why should you bother, you're already brainwashed
@kwikpwn
Many? Lets try a handful at best and leave it at that. I think the majority buy a video game console for you know video games. Also I don't recall it being heavily advertised either, it was mentioned once or twice in the press materials and that was it.
But regardless anyone with a brain knew that realized that the moment someone turns any feature into a security risk it has to be dealt with, especially in a day and age where online gaming is so important.
I just glanced at the other os feature once and said, you know all its gonna take is one good jackass on an ego trip to get this feature removed and sure enough.
You know what it does suck that one idiot ruined it for everyone else but the majority takes president here, if I'm at a head of the company and 95% of my customers want safe online gaming and the other 5% want a feature that potentially endangers said gaming I feel sorry for that 5% but that feature is gone.
One thing for sure though is that if you guys wanted the other os back you sure as hell went about it the wrong way. You guys should have dine absolutely nothing and demonstrated that they were blowing it out of proportion, instead you guys have bent over backwards to prove them right every step of the way.
The only thing these actions taken recently is insure that A. Sony gonna do everything in its power to hunt these guys down and make every hackers lives miserable. And B. Ensure this this is the first and last time we will ever see the other os feature in any console, because you would have to be insane to voluntarily put up with this crap.
Many? Lets try a handful at best and leave it at that. I think the majority buy a video game console for you know video games. Also I don't recall it being heavily advertised either, it was mentioned once or twice in the press materials and that was it.
But regardless anyone with a brain knew that realized that the moment someone turns any feature into a security risk it has to be dealt with, especially in a day and age where online gaming is so important.
I just glanced at the other os feature once and said, you know all its gonna take is one good jackass on an ego trip to get this feature removed and sure enough.
You know what it does suck that one idiot ruined it for everyone else but the majority takes president here, if I'm at a head of the company and 95% of my customers want safe online gaming and the other 5% want a feature that potentially endangers said gaming I feel sorry for that 5% but that feature is gone.
One thing for sure though is that if you guys wanted the other os back you sure as hell went about it the wrong way. You guys should have dine absolutely nothing and demonstrated that they were blowing it out of proportion, instead you guys have bent over backwards to prove them right every step of the way.
The only thing these actions taken recently is insure that A. Sony gonna do everything in its power to hunt these guys down and make every hackers lives miserable. And B. Ensure this this is the first and last time we will ever see the other os feature in any console, because you would have to be insane to voluntarily put up with this crap.
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