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Angry atheists don't like Spore photo

If there's one thing I hate more than a militant religious nut, it's a militant atheist nut. At least crazy fundamentalists have some sort of excuse for their preachy behavior -- an overbearing, pushy atheist is simply being an arsehole. I hate it when a bunch of Dr. Dawkins wannabes decide to take things too far and end up no better than the only religious people they should have a problem with (the nutters), which is why I can only grimace to find that so far, it's just atheists that have found something to complain about with Will Wright's Spore.

You'd think that the presence of evolution might set off the fundies, but no. Wright claims that so far, the only ones who have a problem are militant atheists who are offended because Spore includes religion. According to the visionary game designer:
"So far I've had no critical feedback at all from anybody who is religious feeling that we were misrepresenting religion or it was bad to represent religion in the game. It was really the atheists."
Just goes to show really that whatever peoples' theological leanings, there's always room to be an utter c*nt. Complaining that a game features religion is just as demented as the hardline Christians who hate books that have wizards in because they don't promote the word of The Lord. Getting all huffy over Spore, of all things, is downright pathetic and I'm glad that the people currently stomping their feet over it are destined to burn for all eternity in the fiery pits of Lucifer's blackest Hell.

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akathatoneguy's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 08:54
akathatoneguy
@ HPV-

No thanks. I don't really care what you think.
taterchimp's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 09:45
taterchimp
Gasp! Athiests provide 'critical feedback'! Is this all the detail we know, and yet we explode on it? It's kind of amazing the words that we put into peoples mouths to fit with what we want to rant about. Also, it was very hard not to use a religious exclamation (oh my god! Jesus! etc.)
DryvBy's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 10:47
DryvBy
"Atheists love to not know. Nothing makes an atheist happier than not knowing the answer to life." - Chris Rock
ajay42's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 11:12
ajay42
"Take a fucking chill pill, Jim! If the worst "militant atheists" have to throw at the world is a "critical response", then I think we should count ourselves lucky."

Well, I'm not sure thats the worst thing 'militant atheists' ever through at the world. There was the holocaust, the stalinist purges and the great leap forward. which killed total and PER CAPITA more than every religious war in recorded history. but hey, you keep the wholely unjustified moral superiority attitude rolling buddy! it works so well for christian dickwads too...
Stahlbrand's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 11:33
Stahlbrand
And Ajay42 throws the discussion under Godwin's bus and effectively ends meaningful or interesting exchange of ideas.

But to get IB4hysterical bullshit, let me leave you with a little clarifcation:

Dig this, the crusades and jihads and all that other evil shit was and is being done specifically in the name of religion.

The shit Stalin did, and the shit that went down in China in the 50s was evil shit being done by people who happen to be atheists.

Recognize the distinction?

Also, 'per capita'? Lawl, because that totally makes sense.
B-Radicate's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 11:43
B-Radicate
Wait. Spore is a religion simulator? Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Hide the kids.
ajay42's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 11:45
ajay42
per capita make perfect sense and i wasnt comparing anyone to the nazis just throwing out some example of great "militant atheists" in history, so godwin's law does not apply.

per capita is used in this context all the time in the social sciences to indicate "percentage-wise" as in saying that it is in fact a historical fact (and forget your silly arguments about intentionality which is a farce above all others) that atheists have killed a greater percentage of the population even if we adjust for population growth over time than religious people in terms of wars, etc.

btw, none of this is meant as a praise of religion or religious violence. its just that the ridiculous moral superiority that some atheists ironically adopt is friggin dangerous historically speaking.

also, of course atheists don't kill (all the time, sometimes they do) in the name of atheism; atheism is not their god. Commerce, history, nation, these are some of the many gods of atheism and the vast majority of wars even today are fought in their names, not in the name of yahweh, buddha, allah or christ.
kuddles's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 11:45
kuddles
I wanted to congratulate Jim Sterling on continuing his tradition of doing absolutely no journalism work whatsoever in order to provide his little rant.

If you bothered to even read the original article, not only does Will Wright never use the term "militant", he just said he was surprised that atheist testers were the only ones who took issues with how religion is presented in the game, and that the majority just didn't care either way. No group is trying to ban the game or bringing up major complaints. Just a side comment about his surprise that religious people didn't have a problem with the game.

But then, if you had taken the thirty seconds to check out the article or present it properly instead of taking it completely out of context, then you couldn't make an inflammatory headline, call people names and get more pageviews with your made-up "controversy". Maybe you should think about that the next time you whine about how so many game interviews are carefully prepared PR answers, that junk like this is the reason companies feel they have to do that.
Stahlbrand's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 12:12
Stahlbrand
Good, but I always preferred:

Projectexodus's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 13:37
Projectexodus
@ajay42
I fucking knew it! I just knew that the discussion would take this direction eventually!

Anyway, Hitler was deeply religious and believed in a creator of the universe, but he simply deemed christianity as the wrong religion and would rather have a religion where people devoted themselves to their nations, like Islam and Shintoism. The majority of the people in Germany at the time where also christians.

Stalins beliefs is disputable. Some say he's a closet atheist, some say he was religious. But even if he was an atheist, it would simply just be one atheist premier out of many other atheist premiers. And none of the other premiers that I can think of did mass genocides and ethnic cleansings.
And none would say that Stalin did those genocides BECAUSE of his atheistic beliefs. Thats like saying that the Iraq War, Vietnam War, Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings where caused specifically because of Americans christian beliefs.

Just because someone murders and happen to have a specific beliefs, doesnt mean that he did it because of his beliefs.
The witchburnings, crusades and jihads however, they happened specifically because of piety.

And to the rest of you: You might not like militant atheists, but remember that we live in a society where an atheist could become a social reject if he ever comes out of the closet. In fact, just a couple of hundred years ago, we would be executed if we ever showed such heretical beliefs. Though luckily such things doesnt happen in my country, it certainly seems to happen in the states. You dont seem to complain about televangelists or jehova's witnesses. And not to mention fundementalists who push creationist teachings in school. So why do we become the criminals, for being a little pushy with our beliefs? We're just trying to find acceptance in society.

Sorry for the wall of text...
LilJimmyNordin's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 14:10
LilJimmyNordin
I'm an atheist, and I can tell you that any true atheist would have no problem with a game that allows religion. If anything, it would serve to demonstrate some of the problems and benefits of ALL religion, and maybe help people to a different understanding of their own beliefs. I know it's asking a lot, but it's possible. Anyway, as long as it's just religion and not Christian religion, I can't see anyone raising a fuss. Not we atheists, anyway.
TheDirtyHobo's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 16:50
TheDirtyHobo
@Projectexodus, are you actually trying to exemplify the "ironic moral superiority" that people were talking about extreme atheists having? You start off your post with gloating about how you knew a discussion would take a certain turn, just like every single online debate about religion does. Spectacular job, sir. No one else could have possibly done the same, just you.

The only reason Hitler and Stalin were brought up was the idea that religion isn't the only factor for causing someone to do stupid and/or horrendous things. You can argue until you're blue in the face about what either of the two actually believed, but it was publicly known that their actions were driven by whatever sort of attachment they felt for their country or self, not for the sake of their eternal salvation. Yes, people did a lot of terrible things in the name of their religion, but people have done many things in the name of other things, too. No cause can excuse someone from that, religious or otherwise.

"Though luckily such things doesnt happen in my country, it certainly seems to happen in the states. You dont seem to complain about televangelists or jehova's witnesses. And not to mention fundementalists who push creationist teachings in school. So why do we become the criminals, for being a little pushy with our beliefs? We're just trying to find acceptance in society."

Seriously, what the hell are you talking about, atheism is punished in the U.S.? I don't have any statistics on me, but I'm almost positive that Christianity barely edges out atheism in America, and atheism probably wins if you factor out people who call themselves Christian but never show enough devotion to the religion to go to church more than on Easter and Christmas. Yes, there are fundamentalists who push for creationism to be taught in schools, but there are also atheists who push to remove as simple a phrase as "Merry Christmas" from businesses. There's balance to all things, and there can't be a far left without a far right, otherwise it would just shift the middle point.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 17:04
Sharpless
@Fanatism, Stahlbrand
You know what one of the best things about Christianity is? I don't need to come up with a witty image macro denouncing atheism. After all, if I'm right, my comeback will simply be waving at you from the "To Heaven" line, post-The End of The World. And that, my friends, will be some divine ownage. ;D
Stahlbrand's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 17:32
Stahlbrand
Ah, the most beautiful moment of the lauded christan charity, the 'ha hah, I believe you're going to burn forever and I lawld' moment.

What would baby jebus say?



You know what one of the best things about atheism is? I don't need to spend my time fantasizing about people I argue on the internet with being tortured forever.
Projectexodus's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 18:10
Projectexodus
@TheDirtyHobo
I didnt try to gloat about anything, I expressed anger towards an ignorant statement. I posted a comment earlier where I asked people to keep the discussion calm and rational, instead of turning it into the shitstorm like on the kotaku commenting section. And then of course, the first "atheism caused holocaust" comment appeared. I believe these where his exact words:
"Well, I'm not sure thats the worst thing 'militant atheists' ever through at the world. There was the holocaust, the stalinist purges and the great leap forward. which killed total and PER CAPITA more than every religious war in recorded history"

"The only reason Hitler and Stalin were brought up was the idea that religion isn't the only factor for causing someone to do stupid and/or horrendous things. You can argue until you're blue in the face about what either of the two actually believed, but it was publicly known that their actions were driven by whatever sort of attachment they felt for their country or self, not for the sake of their eternal salvation. Yes, people did a lot of terrible things in the name of their religion, but people have done many things in the name of other things, too. No cause can excuse someone from that, religious or otherwise."

Yes, thank you for repeating what I said in my previous post: "Just because someone murders and happen to have a specific beliefs, doesnt mean that he did it because of his beliefs".

"Seriously, what the hell are you talking about, atheism is punished in the U.S.?"

I never said that. I said that you could be killed for being an atheist a couple of hundred years ago, in other words, NOT in current time! I apologize if I formulated myself badly, but I'm not from an English speaking country, so it gets difficult sometimes. What I meant was that in the states you could potentialy become a social reject for expressing atheist beliefs. And I've heard many stories about that, everything from "girl gets kicked out of basketball team for not participating in prayer", and "soldier becomes shunned by other soldiers for not praying".

I'm not lashing out on religion, I'm merely defending my own beliefs. So I dont find it fair that you compare me to these "extreme atheists". I just want to live in a secular world, where I can have my beliefs in peace, and religious people can have their beliefs in peace.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 19:29
Sharpless
@Stahlbrand
Ah, cleverly done, good sir! The old "I was being a douche, but I'll suddenly take the high road when I think it suits me" maneuver! Well-played! You have won the day, kind sir! I'm no match for your cunning!

And if you think I, and most Christians, fantasize about non-Christians being tortured all day, well, congratulations. If that is the case, then you are officially an ignorant nit. I was merely observing that, ultimately, I'm the one who (if he's right) will have the last laugh, so to speak. If I'm wrong, well, then neither of us will be around to enjoy/regret it.
Stahlbrand's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 19:57
Stahlbrand
Well, to be honest, nothing about my (lack of) faith compells me to take the high road or be consistant ;)

If, as a self-professed christian you take your faith seriously enough to respond to internet arguments, I think perhaps more might be fairly expected of you.

And I didn't say you do it -all- day, but this is the second time in one thread you've spent time imagining THE END OF THE WORLD (healthy!) and having the last laugh over non-christians the world over. All atheists, jews, muslims hindus and others to be kicked into the lake of fire and all that, and there you go laughing.

But wheres the love, the humility, and the turning of various cheeks?

And yes, I'm an atheist and an asshole, but I'll tell you that I was one for years before I became the other ;)
hpv's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/12/2008 23:51
hpv
@akathatoneguy: Fair enough. It's a free country and you're allowed to be stupid if you want.
TheDirtyHobo's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/13/2008 04:37
TheDirtyHobo
@Projectexodus, I'm not arguing about the stuff you said happened in the past, I'm saying that atheism isn't something that will make you an outcast in America in the present day. Especially among youth/young adults (which is the main age for the target audience of a site like this), admitting you're a Christian is much more likely to get you socially ostracized than admitting you don't believe in a God.

Stahlbrand and Sharpless, you two make such a cute couple.
The Amazing Shenazin's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/01/2008 20:35
The Amazing Shenazin
wow this became a major shitstorm, but then again anything related to religion on the internet

anyway what SunTzu said
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/05/2008 23:41
EternalDeathSlayer
OK! Anybody disrespecting religious folk for no reason, like Stahlbrand, needs to die in a fire. You are exactly the type of people this post is bashing.

Anybody bashing atheists just for not believing in God, also can die in a fire.

People have the right to believe what they want to, and nobody can really prove one side right or wrong. As crazy as religion sounds, you can't exactly prove it's not real, so why bother trying? Just think what you want to think and be happy.

Play some Spore.
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