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[akathatoneguy is the first C-Blogger of March to be promoted for this months Monthly Musing theme. In this "And the gamers that play them", akathatoneguy takes a look at sports gamers and their love for sport games. -- CTZ]

When I read the theme for this month's "Monthly Musings", I immediately thought of arguably the most-maligned group of gamers in this community: sports gamers. It's hard to think of a gaming subculture that elicits more commonly-believed stereotypes, eye-rolling and strong opinions than that of sports games, and the gamers that love them.

Check out any thread related to Madden, Electronic Arts, or any other targets that symbolize what most hardcore gamers dislike about sports games, and you'll find a variety of common assumptions, opinions, and ... well, insults directed towards the games, the developers and publishers of said games. And of course, those of us who play the games year after year. Part of it makes perfect sense. Many sports gamers don't care much about anything but sports games; and thus don't seem to take to communities such as what we have here at Destructoid. At the same time, many hardcore gamers have no interest in sports games whatsoever. It seems that appreciating sports games is a take-it-or-leave-it proposition that splits the gaming community right down the middle, with passionate opinions on each side.

First, a bit about myself: I began playing videogames back in the NES era, although I played some Atari here and there as a young lad. I immediately took to sports games such as Bases Loaded, RBI Baseball, Tecmo Bowl, and others, although I also appreciated common favorites such as Super Mario Brothers and The Legend of Zelda. I simply loved sports, and therefore loved sports games. Over the years, sports games have not only furthered my love and understanding for sports I've played and followed in the past, but it's given me a new appreciation for sports I had no idea about beforehand. EA's NHL Hockey games for the Sega Genesis single-handedly got me into ice hockey, a sport that essentially took over my life for years afterward. I can get into any sports game, as long as it is well-made and fun to play. One of my fond gaming memories was a Christmas break marathon of Nascar 2005 a few years back with my younger brother. Bear in mind that I have never watched a complete Nascar race, let alone bought a senses-assaulting airbrushed shirt supporting my favorite driver. I just loved playing the game.

EA's NHL 08 was a huge step forward, but how many gamers gave it a try?

So what's the point of all this? What I'm going to try to do is defend sports gamers and the games they love to play, and hopefully allow non-sports gamers to at least understand what we crazy sports gamers see in games such as the Madden series or 2K Sports titles. I'll do so by addressing some of the common attacks I have seen towards the subculture here and elsewhere, and providing the other side that is so often underrepresented here.

"Sports games are the same year after year. They are simply rehashed games with roster updates that sports gamers will buy no matter what."

This is far and away the most popular opinion I see expressed when sports games come up in conversation among hardcore gamers. In this argument, the belief that sports games are essentially the same year after year easily leads to the conclusion that those that buy them must be gullible consumers who want to be spoon-fed the same experience with a few minor changes. However, the problem here is that many of the people making this claim don't even play sports games, and often don't appreciate the sports the games are emulating.

Let's take the Madden series for instance. In recent years, additions have included right-stick use for hitting and running moves, blocking controls, and improved artificial intelligence. Understandably, these don't seem like big changes, especially if you're not a fan of the series or football in general. However, if you're a big football buff, something as simple as improved defensive player AI can make a huge difference in how well the game plays. Adding something like lead blocking controls makes the game more fun to play in co-op, as do better controls for using receivers. Again, these aren't very sexy changes, but to fans of football and the series, they can make a sizeable difference in how the game plays.

Also, don't assume that we sports gamers are buying every installment, simply because the game sells well year after year. The games sell well because there = simply are a ton of sports gamers out there. I don't know anyone who buys every installment of their favorite sports games. I tend to buy them once every two or three years, depending on the improvements made to them. I'm also more than willing to give competitors a chance to unseat my historical favorites: I grew up playing EA basketball titles but now prefer 2K's NBA offerings, for instance. Most sports gamers are not blindly loyal to one company or another; unfortunately, a small (but vocal) minority gives the opposite impression when you visit a sports games forum.

The problem with the "roster update games" mentality is that it reinforces a belief that ...

"Sports gamers are mostly dumb jocks who will buy anything as long as it has EA Sports slapped on it."

Quite to the contrary, the draw of sports games is often the strategy aspect. One of the biggest tests of your ability to play sports games is how sound your strategy is. What defensive play do you run on 3rd-and-4? What pitch do you use at a certain count? How do you stay under the salary cap and improve your franchise? Even more than playing online, I love running a franchise. I look forward to the end of each season, when I can re-sign players, analyze the upcoming draft, and make changes that I hope will improve my team. When I finally win that elusive championship, I don't credit my ability to press the right button at the right time, but instead all the work I did to build a good team.

Some of you may be familiar with the Football Manager series, which is much more popular outside the U.S. There's simply no way that a stupid person could be successful in a Football Manager game, where seemingly every aspect of running a team can be micro-managed and tweaked one way or another. The success of such a game, along with the yearly yearning for more and more detailed options in franchise modes for other sports, shines a light on the fact that many sports gamers love to use their minds- a far cry from the knuckle-dragging frat boy stereotype that gets flung around in gaming forums.


As you can imagine, not very popular with the coveted "dumb guy" demographic

"Why play a sports game when you can play real-life sports? I play games to escape reality, not to simulate it."

A similar point was posed in a recent comment by esteemed Destructoid community member HarassmentPanda (although I paraphrased in my own words above), and it's a good point. The thing is, even to those of us who play sports in real life from time to time, sports games still provide escapism. I don't know anyone who can dunk like Kobe Bryant, or that will ever score a touchdown in a Super Bowl, but you can fire up your console of choice and lead a team of elite athletes on the world's largest stage in no time. Also, I live in freakin' Iowa. I can't go down to the park and find a soccer game to join, so something like FIFA or Winning Eleven is the closest I'm likely to get to playing soccer. What about tackle football? Middle-aged dudes simply do not play pickup tackle football, although I wish they would. I'm only 29, but I know I've probably made my last tackle, because nobody wants to tear their ACL or break a rib getting hit by an overzealous ex-college player and then have to go to work the next day. So for most sports, I have to live vicariously through the digitized players on my TV screen, and so do many others.


What these guys are doing can only be vaguely compared to "basketball"

"Sports gamers are mostly frat boys/jerk athletes/homophobic teens, etc."

Now, I can't speak for everyone, and I know that there are plenty of stereotypical sports gamers out there, but I have a hard time believing that the stereotypes represent the majority of us. I've heard a lot more messed up stuff playing Call of Duty 4 online than any sports game. I've heard plenty of Halo 3 horror stories as well. Not to mention, many of us are not successful jocks and never were (see last point). I ran track in high school, got cut from the basketball team, and my football career ended in junior high. Every one of my friends enjoys sports games, and none of us were close to being studs in high school sports. Remember, for every ten successful athletes, there's about 1000 really mediocre ones like myself. Chances are, the guy ahead of you in line buying Madden '08 is not of the same ilk as the jerk quarterback who used to give wedgies to anyone under 160 lbs. in high school. Most of us love sports, but hated that douchebag just as much as the rest of you.

See, sports gamers aren't so bad. We love sports games because they allow us to try our hands as armchair coaches, athletes, and general managers. We don't feel like we're getting ripped off with sports games, because we're not. After all, how many hours of entertainment do you get when you play several seasons of franchise mode, plus hundreds of online games against friends? Not bad for $60, even if it looks like just a roster update to the uninitiated. And hey, many of us enjoyed BioShock, Final Fantasy VII, and killing hookers in the Grand Theft Auto series just as much as the next guy.


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Def JM's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/03/2008 17:14
Def JM
Good read, I will agree that the old NHL was also one of the main reasons I started following hockey. I myself just can't play the madden games or ncaa, I truely sucks at them. But as far as sports like Tiger Woods, or most Nba games I'm all about those.
DanGale's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/03/2008 17:46
DanGale
I'll buy anything with "Pro Evolution" slapped on it.
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/03/2008 18:07
Samit Sarkar
This blog has said everything that I’ve ever wanted to say in defense of sports games. I understand that not everyone is going to play everything — I, for one, am not a fan of RPGs — but I don’t hate on people who play genres other than my favorites. Before last August, I hadn’t bought a Madden game since Madden NFL 2005 (Collector’s Edition) on PS2. Then I bought Madden NFL 08 on PS3. Then I got rid of it on Goozex, because the PS3 version paled in comparison to the 360 version. EA Tiburon better not try to pull that crap again.
youkilledmyguy's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/03/2008 19:22
youkilledmyguy
Nice post.

When I was in school I did all the sports. Football, baseball, basketball, hockey, wrestling... I was a total jock. Back when I played them in real life I didn't like playing the games. I viewed it as something I could do in real life so why waste my time doing it when I wanted to get away from the world. Now that I'm old and can't really play sports I find a lot of fun in sports games... especially NHL games... ohhhh yes.
akathatoneguy's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/03/2008 19:38
akathatoneguy
@ Samit-

I'm glad you liked it. You're pretty much the spokesperson for sports gaming on this site, so that means a lot.

@ youkilledmyguy-

I tend to play sports games whether I'm active in the sport or not...I find I'm more interested in sports that I'm watching a lot on TV (sports that are in season) though. I do find it strange that NFL players would want to play Madden after hours of meetings, practices, etc. however.
DynamicSheep's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/06/2008 16:40
DynamicSheep
I like sports games. I like them when they let you do something that you can't do in real life... Mario Tennis, NBA Jam, NFL Blitz, all fun games. When you get into make hyper realistic simulators of anything, I lose interest. I don't like Gran Turismo and Madden for this reason.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/06/2008 16:46
Holyetheline
I love mutant league hockey. Any sports game where you can kill your opponent is great.
iron789's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/06/2008 16:49
iron789
Good read, props up for the point by point response to the usual criticisms of sports gamers. To anyone that says madden is only for dumb jocks, they've obviously never tried managing the salary cap. Thought I must say, it's always amusing to see all the nerd rage vented by people when a sports related post goes up on a gaming blog.
Pangloss's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/06/2008 17:03
Pangloss
Needs moar Wayne Gretzky 3D Hockey for the 64.

In all seriousness, here's why we shouldn't hate on those who play sports games: a lot of sports fans are just like us. Seriously, every time I hear my friends talk about this trade or that statistic or a fantasy draft, I think to myself "I don't understand the language, but this is obviously a dialect of nerd." It's just a different kind of nerdery, and there's no reason to dislike it just because it isn't yours.
Ellipson's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/06/2008 17:18
Ellipson
NHL 08 is a wonderful update to the NHL series of games, and my first NHL purchase since 04. Lots of upgrades and a smooth jump to next gen did it for me.

I really don't understand the crap sports gamers take either. I love my FPS, RTS, RPG games more overall, but playing through my SuperStar NHL 08 series with the Colorado Avalanche, being in the thick of the playoff hunt instead of dominating the league... what a great feeling.
Logo's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/06/2008 17:38
Logo
I think sports gamers get a bad rap because of how they're portrayed in media more than anything. Media tends to focus or latch on to sports gamers because they're the ones with the most widespread appeal. You can show someone playing Madden and any football fan can easily recognize what's going on. Because these portrayals are also often over the top cheesy and insulting to all gamers it quickly makes a negative view.

In addition though you ARE being gouged by the games industry for the seasonal sports games. I don't think you're gullible for buying them or that there are no changes or any of that but it's simply not a consumer favored economic setup.

Why aren't each season's installments of Madden considered (and priced) as expansion packs? Why can't you pay $50 to buy into the Madden world then $9 or $19 to update your game each season (answer: Greed and lack of competition due to licensing). I have a hard time believe that each season's madden game has the same development costs as Bioshock or any of the other games. It's a kick in the pants you can't avoid and I don't think there's a problem with sport gamers taking it but it's there.

In actuality it's a type of model I'd like to see more often in competitive game setups. Rather than release a game like Warcraft 3 the years later release a sequel having some sort of buy in cost for the initial installment and then being able to opt in on a cheaper annual 'upgrade' that keeps the game play fresh, current, and balanced would be great and a good boost to the competitive community around the game. The game would remain largely the same at its core but for example things like improved graphics, better controls, and swapped units (for example if this kind of model was done with SC one season you might see the dragoon swapped out for the 2 units in SC2 that have taken the dragoon's functionality).

It'd be a balance nightmare but I think the increased revenue would cover that easily.
Awesome Locks's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/06/2008 17:53
Awesome Locks
Good write up, glad to finally see someone defend sports games and the people that play them as more than just the people that buy an xbox 360 because it's 'cool'.


I still don't like sports games though, If I want to play a sport, I'll outside.
Dexter345's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/06/2008 18:15
Dexter345
I can understand your point that not all sports gamers are like the stereotypes, but I can vouch from experience that there are some people who buy each game every year, and there are some people who play sports games exclusively. However, the same can be said about FPS players, RTS players, MMORPG players, and others, so I agree that it's kind of unfair that sports game players get such a bad rap. They don't deserve it any more than any other demographic, but that doesn't mean that they don't deserve it at all.
vp360's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/06/2008 18:41
vp360
the only sports games i ever buy are nhl games (ea not 2k, 2k sucks)
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/06/2008 18:59
Takeshi
Good Write!
Oh damn I love Football Manager 06 and 07 (on pc, the PSP version not so much). I also like Pro Evo, Virtua Tennis, NHL etc. But my love for sport games really started with Italy '90 (soccer) on pc and [i]Super Tennis[/] on the SNES. I don't consider myself a typical Sports Game Lover. I just like to have fun with my games. I also don't buy them every year. The most recent version of Pro evo I've got is 5 years old. I play Sportgames for instant fun.
Painuser's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/06/2008 19:14
Painuser
I agree with DynamicSheep, games that are too realistic just turn me off. I love sports games where I can do insanely retarded shit with the character, and racing games where it's not super realistic. Wayne Gretzky's NHL hockey for the 64 was GREAT.
Eschatos's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/06/2008 19:24
Eschatos
I prefer not to play sports games, but I'm young enough to actually play the sport.
HarassmentPanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/06/2008 19:44
HarassmentPanda
Really, really great read. This is the kind of content I was hoping to get this month. And, yes, I am quite esteemed, aren't I?
akathatoneguy's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/06/2008 20:08
akathatoneguy
@ Pangloss-

That's a good point. Being a sports fan is pretty damn nerdy. How else can we explain fantasy sports?

@ Logo-

I would definitely prefer paying a lower price for something I just bought the last installment of, and it would entice folks like me to buy every year's version instead of every second or third one. Unfortunately, like you said, it's all about the $ and so it isn't gonna happen. I mean, look at how much advertising we see in games now, yet none of that is passed along to the consumer in the form of discounts. However, avid sports gamers do get a ton of use out of each installment, which (right or wrong) makes the gouging a much easier pill to swallow.

I also think that companies like EA or 2K do a lot of spreading out of features. I think that many of the features that come out over a several year period were thought of years before, but were released little by little to make just enough upgrade to each year's game. After all, aren't they going to run out of gameplay mechanics to put in sports games eventually?
Pangloss's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/06/2008 21:06
Pangloss
@akathatoneguy:
Exactly. When you think about it, both gamers and sports fans have a tendency to become highly immersed, recall/memorize obscure figures and trivia, and even become highly emotional, all over a subject that arguably isn't that important. I think the similarities really sunk in when I saw my best friend get into a flame war on a football forum.
Cowzilla3's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/06/2008 21:43
Cowzilla3
Great write up man. I totally agree. I'm not a sports gamer but I love sitting down and playing through one every so often. But I still hate Madden.

Oh and HarrasmentPanda is not esteemed. I have proof.
SonicTHP's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/06/2008 21:57
SonicTHP
As I read that I thought about how similar the situation is for avid fans of fighting games. The general gaming public simply do not understand the how big a difference it can make when you speed the recovery form throwing a fireball by several frames or making a combo far less effective than it was in previous iterations of the game. Fighting game fans want depth and balance, two things that so many people who only casually dip (including quite a bit of the gaming press) into the genre simply do not understand what is so big about the newest minor changes made to fighting games and their semi-sequels.
Necros's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/06/2008 22:01
Necros
"Sports gamers are mostly dumb jocks who will buy anything as long as it has EA Sports slapped on it."

I know this isn't actually the case, and there are a lot of cool people here on Dtoid who play sports games, but damn if I don't get annoyed when I see some jocks buying up every sports game that EA puts out, just because it's EA's sports line, while overlooking the rest of the gaming landscape. But all you guys are cool, so whatever.
BlackSunEmpire's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/06/2008 23:14
BlackSunEmpire
Sports games are great for multi player. But I always find myself about 3-4 games into a season single player and leaving the game behind. Maybe I just don't get the nuance.
SenorCalavera's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2008 00:08
SenorCalavera
Well written. I've played sports for a long time, but the games have allowed me to take on different positions and sports. Whether its playing quarterback when I play defense in the real world, an opportunity to play as coach to my own team, or learning what the hell rugby is, sports games have still found a way to keep me entertained. Its only unfortunate that EA had to do with so much of that given their recent performance.
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2008 02:59
Samit Sarkar
Congrats on making the front page, man. You deserve it. Hell, between you and me, sports games are taking over Dtoid!
Simmy's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2008 06:15
Simmy
I don't like the fact that the same games but with a few almost insignificant changes are pushed out every year and are branded as new. I know people will want to have the latest thing all the time but is it really worth near £50 a time.
That said some sports games I have played have been quite enjoyable - Tiger Woods '07 being one of the best just for the reason I could smash the windows of a house at 200 yards with a power drive.
Pixel Blue's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/07/2008 07:25
Pixel Blue
There's a good reason why you can buy Pokemon and Magic: The Gathering cards in the same place as baseball cards. Fans of both love figurines and swag and will put signed items into little plastic cases and show them off to their friends.

A dork's a dork. I tried to play a Madden game with a friend recently and it was so damn complicated I gave up. I know exactly how my mom felt the day I tried to get her to play a little WoW with me.

Speaking of which, I've been comparing WoW playing to sports for a long time. You have to meet for practices/games regularly, can't show up late, learn "plays", play a specific position/class, think quick on your feet, win, lose, and bond with your team. There's usually people acting in both the role of coach and quarterback.

Nice writeup.
Brilliam's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 15:33
Brilliam
Fantastic writeup. I'm disappointed that I didn't notice it until now! I've always tried to argue to my dismissive "typically nerdy" friends that sports fans are usually even nerdier than they are. For example, take a look at any typical baseball fantasy draft. Out of twelve, at least one or two of those people are into sabermeterics and PECOTA-- big, arcane yearly textbooks of statistical projections for every player, draft pick, based on their team, their manager, [i]the weather[/]... the idea that someone who plays something as comparatively shallow as Starcraft or FF Tactics obsessively would call that kind of sports fan (who are, often, the type who play sports video games) a lunkhead is just ridiculous.
Brilliam's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 16:23
Brilliam
Also, some of my favourite responses to those arguments...

Sports games are the same year after year.
...unlike FPSes, which are the same every month? Or Final Fantasy games, which are the same every three years?

Sports gamers are mostly dumb jocks who will buy anything as long as it has EA Sports slapped on it.
People who say this often buy every game with Square Enix slapped on it, so what do they know?

Why play a sports game when you can play real-life sports? I play games to escape reality, not to simulate it.
Please show me a reality where I can be a star left winger who carries the Atlanta Thrashers to three Stanley Cups in a row, and I'll stop playing sports games.

Sports gamers are mostly frat boys/jerk athletes/homophobic teens, etc."
Yeah, those homophobic frat boys are the worst... all generalizing an entire demographic of people OH WAIT
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