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And the gamers who play them: Girl Gamers
And the gamers who play them: Girl Gamers screenshot
Tiff
\\ 03.27.2008
207 comments

For this month's musing I chose to digest the sub-culture of 'Girl Gamers' that has managed to quickly surface alongside the increased popularity of gaming in the mass media.

So to avoid any confusion, the term 'Girl Gamers' is intended to define the populace of female gamers who identify with said terminology and who particularly rely on the alienation of their gender as a means of gaining attention from the larger gamer demographic.

Pics or it didn't happen? Hit the jump to hear more of my take on what being a 'Girl Gamer' is all about.

[Original Photo by Miss Fawn

If one attempts to dig deep within the reserves of videogame history, it's unlikely that they'll uncover the instance of the very first woman who graced her femininity upon a console (well, aside from the Computer Space ad, that is). There are several reasons why this moment was never documented -- mostly because videogame history is predominantly about videogames (imagine that!), but partly because members of the opposite sex playing games isn't very noteworthy in the most fundamental scope of things. I play. You play. We all play, with or without va-jay-jays.

Facts are facts, however, and despite the occasional news announcement reminding the public that female gamers actually exist (apparently at 38% of gamers strong), we all know that videogames are predominantly enjoyed by a male demographic. That being said, there is also no denying the slender aura of novelty that immediately adheres itself to a woman who plays games, whether she craves the inherent attention or attempts to avoid it.

This dichotomy, while not unique, is of interest to the likes of marketing gurus who determinedly pervert this gender-dissonance to their advantage. Thus, what is eventually revealed in the history of gaming media is the attractive (and often scantily clad) female gaming idol embodied by such women as Morgan Webb, Olivia Munn, and Jessica Chobot. All beautiful and consistently visual, these women and others were the few mass-displayed female figures in the gaming industry to be ravenously consumed by gaming's very own male demographic.


Sex sells, and while the rest of the female gamers remained ambivalent to gender differentiation amidst their game playing, the few esteemed faces of the beautiful rooted themselves as the visual representatives of the 'Girl Gamer'. The collective reception and praise of these visual idols by a male-dominant industry garnered an image-heavy notion of the 'Girl Gamer', a notion which to this day has yet to be the equal case for male gamers.

Galleries of E3 booth babes, "hot...naked...and blue" Cortana cosplays, and any number of chicks with joysticks establish a visual narrative for gaming women that heightens gender alienation while simultaneously muffling the significance of the woman gamer's voice. There is no doubt that Ubisoft took advantage of this exact instance by baiting the accomplished, intelligent, and most importantly attractive producer Jade Raymond to the gaming audience to steer public attention to their game Assassin's Creed. In turn, the only surface-level 'heroes' or 'icons' of the female gaming community are the beautifully unattainable likes of Munn or Webb, regarded first and foremost in this industry for their looks.

And so the standard for the 'Girl Gamer' is set and an equation for success is discovered. Take an attractive woman and pair her alongside a gaming device of some sort. Congratulations! You've captured the attention of a massive chunk of the gaming demographic. What better avenue is there to market your gaming products? Hot girls are hot, gaming boys like gaming girls, and most importantly we're all having fun with our irresponsible gender stereotypes. Nothing wrong with fun, guys!

So what, then? Structured by the mass media as a marketing device and fed by a surge of online egoism (thanks to social media sites such as MySpace and the proliferation of digital cameras), the 'Girl Gamer' specimen has, in turn, infected the masses with false promises of niche-specific fame and glory. In the same way people fantasize about becoming a celebrity, these 'Girl Gamers' seek the attention of becoming the next 'it' girl of their respective gaming community through the prolific distribution of sexually charged images and continuously capitalizing on their sex -- both of which, consequently, have relatively little to do with gaming itself.

What's to follow but the Chobot wannabes slathering their tongues across portable consoles for the camera, or the suspiciously excessive amount of 'Girl Gamer' self-portraits involving various game-related paraphernalia (or lack thereof)? Whatever neutral connotations of women gamers existed in the past are overthrown with the photographic barrage of sexually charged images brought to us by the 'Girl Gamers'. They're beautiful, they know which side is their good side, and they're comfortable enough with their sexuality to let us know they're proud of it. If you've got it, flaunt it. Right?

The women who choose to use their body to visually manifest their 'gaming experience' (by way of game-themed suggestive photographs, for example) express themselves via the avenue of the mass marketed 'Girl Gamer', a goal that is altogether vapid and mediocre in its pursuit. If anything, these girls successfully stick out as a glaring instance of the disappointing commercialization of gaming in popular culture, their antics for attention comparatively as bad as a common reality TV show contestant.

Furthermore, it's one thing for females to collectively enjoy games together, but it's another for these 'Girl Gamers' to assert themselves as leading figures of the female gaming community when no one has asked them to do so (unless, of course, it's a sponsored gaming company looking for cash money). This ill-founded goal disrupts a gaming community in which gamers can agreeably interact with each other regardless of their sex by disturbing the space with sexually-oriented images that immediately derail neutrality and signify more differences than likenesses.

 

Gamers who prefer the absence of a gender-biased gaming community ultimately find these 'Girl Gamers' as unnecessary and obnoxious entities desperately seeking attention. For women gamers such as myself who admire the well-spoken gaming female (see Jane Pinckard, Tracey John, Leigh Alexander, and our own Colette Bennett) as opposed to the gaming beauty queens, these 'Girl Gamers' are downright irritating.

It's unlikely that the trendy alliteration of 'Girl Gamer' will fade away anytime soon or that the equivalent 'Guy Gamer' (see Mega64's Sexy64 for more information) will actually be realized. Unfortunately, a similar fate rings true with the 'Girl Gamer' herself as long as the industry continues to cater to its male demographic, and as long as there are women who fashion themselves alongside those same standards.

A more pressing urgency today is the shortage of intelligent women speakers and writers who strongly represent themselves with words as opposed to images. While women such as Jessica Chobot have made certain strides to leave their more exhibitionist pasts behind, as long as there is a constant appraisal of their attractive and more visually accessible adversaries, the battle between the pen and the larger picture continues to rage on.

Thus, the aspirations associated with the 'Girl Gamer' are damaging to both male gamers and female gamers. Gender distinguishment plays little to no part in one's ability to play or enjoy videogames, let alone define them as a gamer to begin with. And finally, let's all remember that "gamer" is an asexual term, a descriptor that belongs to everyone who plays games despite gender, ethnicity, or sexual orientation, and is absolutely lovely in its nascent ambiguity.



207 COMMENTS, LATEST BY RiotMonster
WHY DO "GIRL GAMERS" NEED A FUCKING ARTICLE ON EVERY GAME SITE EVERY FUCKING WEEK NAO?! This shit is so old.. you all fucking fail if you think girls game for attention or if you believe in GIRL ... -    view discussion


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Topher Cantler's Avatar
You said va-jay-jay.
Copyright 2008 Agent Chieftain's Avatar
HERE COME THE COMMENTS
Kryptinite's Avatar
I totally got a dirty look from the lady who sits behind me :(
MrSadistic's Avatar
I smelled sex. I came as fast as I could (not literally, mind you).
Cheeburga's Avatar
I prefer a girl gamer who doesn't try to flaunt it.
MaxVest's Avatar
Don't get me wrong, but I think a lot of guys understand the difference between a gaming model and a gamer who happens to be a girl. They serve very different purposes, and aren't really the subjects of comparisons by guys.
BlackSheep's Avatar
IDK personally I find that it's an easy way to be known, if you don't have the skills to be good in the community, you can always show some cleavage and ppl will know your name.

however, in their attempts to turn the male gamer on, i find it dumb that they can't even turn a controller on.
Pixel Blue's Avatar
I agree with this article. And Cheeburga.
Tragic Hero's Avatar
Yeah nothing is worse than a girl gamer who proclaims herself as being a "hardcore" gamer every chance she gets. Worst is those same girls in real life who challenge me to games only to have me beat them everytime.

Their response? "Well you play more than me". Funny how some people can declare themselves "Pro" yet fall back on the "I spend less time on video games than you" comment.
Cowzilla3's Avatar
I wish i had time to re-read this a few times because it really deserves it. For the most part I agree, the definition of what a girl gamer is competlely defined by what we're told and, as is seen plenty of times on this sites blogs, a little skin goes a long way.

I can't wait to hear responses from 'Girl Gamers' as I'd love to see the motivation behind it all, whether they agree or not.
Totally Not A Dude's Avatar
I am a Girl Gamer because I like showing my tits to all the little boys.

Attention turns me on.
glipe's Avatar
I find actual girl gamers a real turn on but the whole grrl gamer thing sickens me. Erk.
Tiff's Avatar
@MaxVest Understood. However, for the record this article was not written with the intention of distinguishing what 'Girl Gamers' are for the sake of the male population exclusively.
Axion22's Avatar
Gamer first, genders second.
Passionate Styos's Avatar
God damn it, I remember it wasn't like this before, it wasn't girl gamer, gay gamer, casual gamer, hardcore gamer, fucking zoophile gamer bla bla bla bla. We were just gamers, we just play the games, it doesn't matter the ethnic group, sex or anything. And it makes us even worse because many male gamers can be really sexist too.

Anyway, great write up, I really enjoyed it.
PsychoSoldier's Avatar
For me I don't like being called a "girl-gamer", I am a gamer plain and simple. If I want to get attention I'll use my gaming skills not my body.
Senryoku's Avatar
38% maybe girl gamers, but 28% of them are just attention seeking myspaces whores.
Kryptinite's Avatar
AMEN PSYCHOSOLDIER!!
fyre's Avatar
Please don't ever use the "word" va-jay-jay again.

Other than that, great article.
Rifter01's Avatar
Thank you for this article... I'm a guy who is presently in a relationship with a hardcore girl gamer (she is in a nationally recognized, sponsored girl gaming group,) I find it is a bittersweet thing to have a g/f that is into gaming as much, if not sometimes more than me. I think intelligence is the key to a successful 'hardcore gaming' relationship.. Otherwise there might be too much ego or hurt feelings on either of our parts instead of just STFUJPG
daphaknee's Avatar
uh this is pretty terrible, people play videogames WE ARE PEOPLE STOP SEGREATING they dont say BLACK GAMERS and GAY GAMERS ugh shut up shut up shut up (im female) we actualy want less attention because as soon as the internet finds out i have tits they're like TITS OR GTFO HARRASS
Tiff's Avatar
@Fyre Yes yes, I too groaned a bit of regret after I wrote that out, but the whole thing worked a little too well to ignore.
KittenX's Avatar
I have to admit when I saw this posted, I was worried and did roll my eyes... oh dear, not another one of these. But after reading it, I have to stand up and applaud you! Excellent post, and my feelings on the matter exactly! Thank you! :D
Rockvillian's Avatar
I don't care what kind of gamer anyone is, as long as I have someone to play with who A: doesn't complain/give up when they lose and B: isn't a huge douche when they win.
Airship Aciddent's Avatar
The term isn't "girl gamer", it's "attention whore."
superflossy's Avatar
eck, those pictures made me want to vomit. i want to punch all those chicks in the face.
blu3steel's Avatar
Yeah, let's stop saying "girl gamer" it's retarded.
Chad Concelmo's Avatar
I love you, .tiff. Great write-up.

Also, "I HART DONKEY KONG CUNTRY." HA HA HA HA! :)
Mozgus's Avatar
Hawt broken leg in first pic.
liquidninja's Avatar
My sis' useta be a really hardcore gamer (until she got life) and well this was before Online gaming really took off in consoles and before G4 came state side. So she never had to deal with racist sexists 12 year olds or nerd porn images of her kind.

Don't use listen to Voice Chat or watch TV so much then and should be at peace.
JohnTheCrow's Avatar
Whores will be whores, and companies will always market to the lowest common denominator. I don't think these girls are hurting gaming or gamers, the same way that drivers aren't hurt by bimbos in bikinis laying on the hood of a Ferarri in magazines. I can't definitely see how they'd be annoying from a woman's perspective though.
Vitamin Awesome's Avatar
I do agree with MaxVest here, It's like any other form of advertisement. Take beer commercials for example, all the ladies are the living definition to the term "Sex Sells." To me a Gaming model and a Gamer that happens to be female are two totally different things. It really is a shame when you have models damaging credibility to women who want to be taken seriously in the gaming culture. Anyone who pwns me in any of the games I play well earn my respect, regardless of whatever they're labeled as, unless they're cocky about it.
MaxVest's Avatar
I guess to press that point, who is the target audience? The only people who seem to emerge from this sad state of affairs with dignity in tact are the "intelligent women speakers and writers who strongly represent themselves with words as opposed to images." Otherwise the men seem shallow, and the women who seek the male gaze seem vapid. Is it possible these are also stereotypes that do not adequately reflect a more complex reality?
24GSandCounting's Avatar
Perfect example of viralg "Girl Gamer" marketing:

Char Aznable's Avatar
This is the most insightful, well-written article I've read on Dtoid in a while. Great job. "Donkey Kong Cuntry" alone was worth the price of admission.

Dividing gamers up into all these sub-genres and allegiances to consoles is fucking stupid. There's no sense of community in the vast majority of today's gamers, aside from the safe haven of Dtoid.

I mean, at the end of the day we're all wasting our lives doing the same thing, right?
blehman's Avatar
I must've read the title wrong, because it looks like you're trying to describe "playing" girl gamers...
Justice's Avatar
Good artcile, these terms need to be done away with.
MaximusPaynicus's Avatar
I suddenly feel the need to hump something. Where's Sterling when we need him?
DynamicSheep's Avatar
*fap fap fap* werds *fap fap fap*

Unfortunately, though it was meant for the lulz, the above statement is pretty much the first thing that pops into most gamers' heads. I'm all for doing whatever you want, but it does piss me off when I see some girl doing this and then claiming their really into games, only to later reveal that the last thing they played was "The Sims."

On the other hand, there's a woman from "Destructoid.com" who goes by the screen name ".tiff". This ".tiff" is beautiful, intelligent, articulate AND is a true gamer. Having a girl like her flaunt her shit (Hey! Look at me!) while preaching the values of video games (HEY! LISTEN!) could be a good way to help spread the good word of the video game gospel. This "Destructoid.com" website has quite a few women like this...
liquidninja's Avatar
hear hear MaxVest

It's sad but alot of peoples view of reality is shaped by TV and the movies.
atheistium's Avatar
can i has u now?
J4RMZ's Avatar
With gaming being the microcosm of life that it is, Its always been funny to me that the men and women that use gaming culture to seek attention by showing their bodies off in the ladies case, or by using the anonymity of the Internet to combine like voltron into a fascist, racist, id driven pervert, in the guys case, are the same people that do it in real life.

But in real life they only do it when they are comfortable. Ya know, racist jokes within their little groups of friends. A little nude pic for her boyfriends cellphone.

Slippery slope. All for the lulz.
pheonix-blood's Avatar
This is really interesting and well written. However i make no point to hide behind an avatar, there are pictures of me on this website, silly pcitures, cospalying pictures, modleing pictures. i acutally jsut posted a pic of me in the post a pic of yourself thread wearing my new dtoid tshirt, Do i feel like im letting the side down? like im doing it for attention? well no, no i dont, cos deep down thats not why im doing it. I actually jsut am excited to get my dtoid tsihrt.

I dont want to be forced to hide behid a non gender specific avatar, out of fear of offending somone. Im not going to make a big deal out of being female, since i dont see the big deal, yet, at the same time, i dont want others to make a big deal out of me being female. Many on dtoid dont make a big deal. Okay, so on the forum i may get a nice tits comment, but i know, and THEY know i am a gamer and it is all in gest. it is a joke. I am not going to prove myself or my worth to anyone.

I do fel some people are miss representing the femlae community, but at the same time, if all men wanna think women are grrl gamers, then we would argue that men live with the 'all male gamers are nerdy guys who get no sex' sterotype. which also isnt true.

now im just gonna STFUAJPG.
Orionsaint's Avatar
Call me crazy but wasn't the final GTAIV supposed to premiere today? March 27th?
kadosho's Avatar
This is something thats enlightening to read. Taking a notion of what "attention" the media brings to everyone. And the socially devitants that say "praise me, i r hot" yet still manifesting a personality, that of a puppet.

The seldom few that are humorous, talented, and have an endearing personality. They are the ones that deserve the title of "girl gamers".

I have to admit, from times I've had discussions with female gamers. There is not once they do not get the "hey are you hot?" "its a grrrl!" They ignore, move on. And its only thing thats possible. They are gamers like everyone else. So what about their gender.
Orionsaint's Avatar
trailer that is
vishusdelishus's Avatar
Where's Aktrez when you need her?
naia-the-gamer's Avatar
I almost wish that the more well-spoken females, like Colette are the ones who got more attention than the "grrrrrl gamers." They're role models for women and I think men would take female gamers more seriously instead of focusing on the attention whores who flaunt themselves.

It makes me sad that this movement has become so popular and it makes the rest of female gamers, the ones who just want to play games look bad.
ceark's Avatar
great writeup. those captions on those pictures were briliant ^_^
KamikazeTutor's Avatar
Donkey Kong? More like DONKEY PUNCH! lululul


Completely agree with your article, great write up.
NightDehumidifier's Avatar
Girl gamers are but a mystery. I mean girls should be doing what girls find natural: being slutty or cooking.
power-glove's Avatar
You have been talking about doing this for a long time haven't you. Excellent Article.

These separate "gamer" phrases were spawned from a need of these groups to defend themselves from being persecuted. Unfortunately, we live in a gaming culture that asks the question "Are you a girl?" and then either makes fun of her or ask ridiculous questions like "Are you hot?"

The gay gamer term came from people who constantly fear the homophobic statements that are constantly being made towards them.

They need to use these term not because they love the terms but because they fear needless persecution from the online gaming community and they need a very simple way to group together like minded individuals to play with who will not bother them for doing this.

We need the gamer community in general to start treating everyone with some decency so that gamers will not have to ostracized for their differences.

Maxvest, nailed on the head with his first comments.
Yashoki's Avatar
Ok ok, let me get this straight. GIRLS. Are using the fact that they have BOOBS to get attention among a community?

Thats news to me!
Demtor's Avatar
"Girl Gamer" seems like a too broad a term to me. There are girls that love to game, have fun playing them and are actually intelligent. They rock! I only wish I could meet one, lol.

Then there is the other half... a whore is a whore, of course of course. Dress yourself up in controllers all you want, the fact still remains that attention seeking behavior like that is a complete turn off for most sensible people and reeks of desperation. Attention whores = not at all cool. Sorry. Go to the bars and get your attention the old fashioned way if you must but leave my games alone.
animateria's Avatar
Good write up.

I never thought those girls as 'gamers' though.
Just girls posing in front of gaming controllers and such.

Its just the usual male dominant culture creating its own fantasies. There is a reason why a lot of ads targeting males have hot females in them after all.

I real girl gamer would be the equivalent of a regular male gamer. And I'd rather meet someone like that.
PrinceofCannedPeaches's Avatar
Who are you, Qais Fulton? Diction, Tiff!

I'm not going to argue with the ways of the world - if they're there and they're cute, we're going to pay attention to them anyways. I just don't see any reason to exploit it: if I wanted pr0n, I'd fucking watch pr0n.
Release82's Avatar
Girls play games now?? Your kidding me, right? I would have never guessed it. Never in a million years. Ever.
Yashoki's Avatar
Did anybody notice that tiff linked practically naked cosplay and embedded pictures of some cute girls?

Also, isnt it hilariously ironic that i ended up staring at the pictures more than i read the article? :P
Ron  NSFWorkman's Avatar
I really like the post. However, I will add that you are taking context from pictures that you and 3 out of the 4 other women you note also have in existance. Why is it (I understand why actually) easy to assume that the others are doing it for attention? I mean, Colette's avatar is a picture of her bitting a controller. People take pics sometimes with things they love. Its easy. What sucks about it is that sometimes people get more credit than they might deserve because of said pics. \
Munn and Webb are perfect examples of people that are not "Hardcore gamers" and putting them on the same page with people like you, Chobot, Colette and others isn't a great choice. You all get it and are serious and I think most gamers can recognize people that give a shit and those that dont. The byproduct of this is that I know for a fact that one of the girls in your posted pics plays a ton more games than some of the names you listed and I am sure could talk most "Gamers" let alone "Gamer girls" under the table on gaming knowledge. Yet, you take 1/10 of a second of someones life, and put it into context as if you know them and know what the situation was. Its funny. I only imagine if this article were on another site and the pics were of you and Colette how pissed you would be that someone posted things and took pics you took for fun or as a joke out of context.
king3vbo's Avatar
MORE COMMENTS MEAN YOU GET LAID
grrlaction's Avatar
I just deleted a novel of a comment attributing the rise in "Girl Gamer" culture to the hegemony inherent in our society, further reinforced by Foucault's theory of gaze and Other. But then I decided to STFUJPG. Maybe I'll continue the discourse in a c-blog. Or maybe I'll just, you know, play games. Because if you, as I do, prescribe to the notion of gaze-as-power, talking about only makes it less likely it will go away.

Also, cocks.
brainderailment's Avatar
Olivia Munn =/= gamer.

"And finally, let's all remember that "gamer" is an asexual term..."

That being said, I decree that we should abolish the term "girl gamer" considering we don't refer to females who drive cars as "girl drivers."
Brilliam's Avatar
Absolutely brilliant article. Mad props. I actually wanted to write a similar article at some point, but you pretty much hit the nail on the head on all points.

The real shame about polarizing figures like these in the industry is that people generally tend to fall on two equally chauvinist sides of the fence-- the types who lap this stuff up, and those who dismiss such people as "whores." It's really difficult for me, personally, to form an opinion on this. On one hand, I think it's absolutely appalling that these women not only THINK they represent gamers who identify as female, but it seems EVERYONE ELSE thinks so too (everyone else being the male gamer population at large).

What we all need to realize is that it's irrelevant. I don't know anyone who'd call the MySpace kids who listen to hardcore bands and do the same thing with guitars relevant; the question is, why is it relevant to games? In my opinion, it's because there's no real alternative. Indie games are indeed starting to gain traction, but there are none that I'm aware of that are being made by women, or even taking into perspective the identity of female gamers. In music, there is certainly chauvinistic pap, but for every Pussycat Dolls there's a Patti Smith. In film, for every Jessica Alba there's a Chloe Sevigny. Even pornography has feminist alternatives. However, the games industry is sorely lacking in strong female role models; the games-journo world, despite Dtoid's efforts, still hugely male. From a production standpoint, there are few female voices, aside from Jade Raymond (who I'm still on the fence on, mostly because all press about her was mostly "OMG BOOBS" and not so much "So is she an interesting creative director, or a pretty face to push sales?"), and there's virtually no exposure for female programmers, who most certainly exist (I live next to Ubisoft MTL, and surely SOME of those girls who go in that building daily are programming). Until there's a successful, alternative press, gender identity in games will stagnate-- and, in my opinion, the world's view of VGs as "art." Maybe I'm expecting too much from the industry. But, I'm still blindly optimistic that one day, "Grrl gamers" will actually be as subversive and socially beneficial as the "riot grrl" movement from whom they took their name.
Colette Bennett's Avatar
Great job Tiff. I really appreciate this topic being taken on objectively and thoughtfully. Also, I really would like to go to Donkey Kong Cuntry, preferably with you.
Yashoki's Avatar
Also, why does it matter if these "grrl" gamers pose in sexy shots with controllers up their ass? Any other gamer is a girl wouldn't care because they're not defined by their gender so it's not an issue. It just seems like another redundant issue in my opinion.

There are always going to be attention whores where ever you go and whatever you do. Be it paintballing or hardcore canasta players.

P.S I LOVE these "GRRL" Gamers. Why? Because they send me sexy pix.
JohnnyWadd's Avatar
Gawd has this freakin topic been done to death.
Mustin's Avatar
Awesome article.

I don't think they get in the way of anything though. No big deal. And girl gamers tend to get in the sack quicker. Which is lovely for a deformed manbeast like myself.

Alas, playing video games is straight nerdy so we don't really need to break it down, but there will always be those titles assigned like "gay gamer" or "casual gamer" or "occasional gamer with a side of really intense do-nothing-else-until-I-finish-this-damned-Zelda-game then manage to get back to work and then not play video games for nearly months at a time until the next God of War comes out gamer" like myself.

GOD I LOVE TITTIES
pheonix-blood's Avatar
Wow, Ron's post was spot on and amazing.
welkstar's Avatar
Great article!

Although, you've gotta admit, the G4 girls do seem to know their stuff. I mean, they could just be reading lines, but it appears that they actually are "true" gamers. Keep in mind that they're probably also paid to project a certain persona.

I'm not trying to defend them, but has anyone met Morgan Webb, Olivia Munn, or Jessica Chobot? What are they really like?
mistic's Avatar
Great read!

Though I have to admit, I don't mind the girls posting pictures of themselves with gamingrelated attributed being licked on and stuffed where it shouldn't be stuffed... I know how dirty those controllers really are, so licking them would rather be a proof of NOT being a gamer :p

I mean they're constantly being held by sticky, sweaty hands and thrown on the floor or where-ever ( since they went with wireless-controllers ), much as I love my 360, I'd never put the controller in my mouth :p
Jetsetlemming's Avatar
The girl in the third pic looks 12. Bad tiff. >:O


My girlfriend is a stereotypical "Games are dorky and for kids, ugh don't talk to me about them evar" girl. :( And yet, she dorks out over anime and sailor moon and poetry and classical authors and shit. Where's the justice in the world!? ;_;
Sharpless's Avatar
This is why I absolutely love you, Tiff: I actually agree with you. :D Seriously though, the bulk of the women on this site are amazing. It's so good to not be surrounded by stereotypes.

I respect a woman who simply lives her life and exudes sexuality by just being herself. Not by walking around half-naked, not by licking electronics, not by thrusting their chests out and putting on their "sexy face" -- just by being their awesome selves. THAT is hot, not this asinine, lowest common denominator posturing.

If cosplay is someone's thing, then fine. But if you do it for popularity, for attention, then screw it. There's a difference between Jessica Chobot licking a PSP and Colette Bennett biting an NES controller. (The difference? Neither is as hot as this.) Anyway, Tiff, you rock. Good article. I can't support this argument enough.
Tiff's Avatar
The topic in question is not one of how much of a gamer one woman is from a next, but what sort of stereotyped message they're portraying about their gender in relation to the activity via these exhibitionist methods. Regardless of how many games a woman has played or how accomplished she is at gaming, photos like these are detrimental to the gender neutrality of gaming as a whole.

Furthermore, regardless of whether a photo is taken 'as a joke' or 'for fun' it's meaning is entirely out of the creators hand when it's released within a public domain. Private photos shared between friends and family are one thing, but public photos that are yielded to the masses are displayed to be viewed, and in the context of the Internet it's likely that the individual's actual personality, intent, or interests will be devoid entirely.
Ron  NSFWorkman's Avatar
@welkstar
Munn isnt a gamer.
Webb A little, depends on what game
Chobot, Ive been friends with for awhile. She for sure knows her shit and takes gaming very serious. If she didnt work at IGN she would still be playing games all of the time like she did before she worked there and like all of the women at Dtoid would also Im sure.
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I liked the article. It was pretty interesting, but not a lot that I've not heard before. The views are usually either from the people who are Gamers and then girls, or on the other side girls who like to attract a certain kind of boy. It's two different things, two different aims.

I'm in your camp though, I'd rather have a "girl gamer" rolemodel, if there is such a thing, that's more along the wavelength of yourselves, than one whos boobs I've seen than ideas I've heard.

Sorry this isn't more LENGTHY, but time flies.
MaxVest's Avatar
The reason I've been pressing on this issue is precisely because Dtoid has a very healthy community of women who game, and practically none of the "girl gamers" who perpetuate negative or gender-based stereotypes.

That leads me to believe that the "girl gamers" who exploit their physicality have a very limited purpose, and that purpose is advertising. In a community site such as this one, advertising is generally not well-received. So putting gendered communication theory aside for a moment, I don't really see the predicted disruptive effects manifesting themselves in major ways on this site.

Do women here have to put up with stupid comments sometimes? Absolutely (and I have a few non-obvious theories about why). But are they in some way impeded from becoming important and respected community members? I don't feel that way.
Nessie's Avatar
I miss Sarah Lane. :<

I like the article, and i appreciate you clarified what type of Girl Gamer you are writing about. It does irk me that women are so publicized over gaming and some companies use it as some sort of advantage. (Look up TheFragDolls)
Brilliam's Avatar
Please, commenters, PLEASE realize that saying "a real girl gamer turns me on, not controllers and nudity" is actually COMPLETELY DETRIMENTAL to this argument and you're feeding into the gender-as-gamer-identifier issue that .tiff is talking about. This isn't about what kind of game-playing woman turns you on. It's about accepting female gamers in the exact same way you'd accept male gamers: by calling them cheaters when they're better than you at Counter-Strike, or having an in-depth argument with them about just why you hate Passage so much, or laughing your asses off at a stupid game of WarioWare, or LANning up for some Starcraft, without thinking about the tits or dicks that may or may not be in attendance.
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Tiff, I just want to say that this is one of the best-written articles that I've come across on Destructoid. Really, this was a subject that I paid very little attention to, because I try to just ignore your definition of a Gamer Girl anyways. Your article put a little passion in me to criticize those who stand as an example of it, instead of just ignoring them.
MaxVest's Avatar
@Brilliam: I'm not sure I agree with your characterization. I read this more as a communications critique on the pervasiveness, power, and ultimate shallowness of the sexually-charged images that are tied to the concept of "girl gamer".

To combat the message of these images (a form of media which is particularly stimulating to visually-oriented males), a written media consisting of the eloquent and passionate voices of women who game is necessary. Words are less likely to introduce sexual impulses into the equation than provocative poses, and men and women alike will be more able to STFUAJPG.

Then again, my edumacation is a little rusty.
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Great article Tiff! What I am aiming for with my site is exactly what you describe, a place where we can write intelligently about games. That's why the pics of us are animated so people pay attention to our words, not who we are.

On my site, I may slip sometimes and use the term girl-gamer, but I try to use female gamer or women gamers more often. Unfortunately the fun has been taken out of the term girl-gamer and it has become a marketing buzzword to mean put a hot girl playing your game and it will sell.
Brilliam's Avatar
@MaxVest: which characterization are you speaking about? I agree with pretty much everything you say; what I'm saying is that people insisting that knowledge is "sexy" is still lending power to "sexiness," which, for most of these people, is discriminatory in and of itself (unless 100% of dtoid's readers are pansexual, in which case I take it back). Is this making sense? I'm not sure I'm communicating my point, or quite understanding yours?
Dan CiTi's Avatar
Tiffany is my favorite girl gamer.
dubbya's Avatar
I assume you're pretty tired with reading individual opinions, so I'll just say, solid article man, keep it up
Rider Chop's Avatar
how come all those pictures are featuring the 360 controller? it worked well for the X-butt though.
Brilliam's Avatar
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Mabec's Avatar
Can any smart and sexy woman tell me where i can find that t-shirt with DKC???
Dogen's Avatar
I agree with most of the points made in your post, and those that I don't agree with were well written and have gotten me thinking.

Here's what I keep coming back to: there are certainly very attractive women (and men) who game. They should be entitled to post pictures of themselves, with or without their gaming accoutrements as they see fit. To me, the nerdcore photos are less about demeaning women and gaming, and more about some people having fun with a camera and their old snes. If I judge the spirit of those photos correctly-and there is a strong possibility that I'm wrong, I'll admit- it looks like a great time was had by all in their creation. That's a big part of what's sexy about it, the playfulness that's expressed.

It seems to me that what's needed to bring about the changes you outline is a clear divide between the legitimate aspects of gaming culture, that is, those worthy of coverage by serious game journalists, and the exhibitionist tendencies of the gaming community. Problems arise in drawing that line on a site like Destructoid, where the community and the journalism tend to blend together. To that issue, I have no solution.

I don't know many girls who game. For those I do know, we tend to interact on the same level as the rest of my friends. Which leads me to my final question: is gaming really the lifestyle choice that we make it out to be? I see a lot of grey area in this issue that isn't being addressed.
SPOnG Lupos's Avatar
Bemoaning women who use their sexuality is like hating on prostitutes for making more money than you. They are free to choose how they whore themselves out. You sell your words. Some girls sell their words and a bit of their self respect via photos. Some access to their Va-jay-jays's (which is an awesome word!).

I hear porn makes men disrespectful of women to. Oh-nos!!
Brilliam's Avatar
Bemoaning women who use their sexuality is like hating on prostitutes for making more money than you.

Not only is she not doing what you're saying, but even if she were it'd be nothing like that. For many reasons. Like, seriously, how are those two things in any way similar, unless you're implying that it's a jealousy issue (in which case, fuck you)?

They are free to choose how they whore themselves out.

Why'd you pick the word whore here? What is wrong with you?

You sell your words. Some girls sell their words and a bit of their self respect via photos.

Where does self-respect come into play? Do you know what that means? And what does writing have to do with "whoring?"

Some access to their Va-jay-jays's

What does this even mean?

(which is an awesome word!).

RONG

I hear porn makes men disrespectful of women to. Oh-nos!!

Irrelevant to the post. Like, completely. Why even say it?

In summation, you just broke rule 1, you anal bead.
KMCC's Avatar
.tiff, you need to write more, no one can loudly bluster over what you are about to say when you write.

We like to hear your consistently sane and intelligent perspectives on gaming!
EvoAnubis's Avatar
Girl gamer. Guy gamer. Don't give a good goddamn. A gamer is a gamer to me.
MaxVest's Avatar
@Brilliam: Although Tiff can certainly speak for herself, I think the main point is the uniquely harmful effect of the sexual image. It's possibly that she's requesting gamers to swear oaths of chastity, but I doubt it.