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I dunno, it feels like the best has come and gone. Will we ever get another Shadow Complex, Trials HD and Splosion Man combo?
Makes sense to me, we hear about this small group developers who are disappointed with how MS treats them but I don't know if it means sales of games are bottoming out for the service (maybe just this group of developers, and one of them has never put anything out on the service for that matter)
I think some people ignore the fact that XBLA/Indies will ALWAYS come second in promotion to gold subscriptions anyways and no one should be surprised by that.
I think some people ignore the fact that XBLA/Indies will ALWAYS come second in promotion to gold subscriptions anyways and no one should be surprised by that.
If I didn't know it was impossible, I'd think that people somehow had differing opinions on this topic. CRAZY!
Most of what I've bought from XBLA this year has been ports like KoF 2002, Street Fighter 3, Guardian Heroes, and Radiant Silvergun, and most of what I've bought from PSN this year has been PSone games like Resident Evil 3 to play on my PSP. The odd new title like Bloodrayne has snuck in occasionally, but apparently the service that keeps me surrounded by the most memories of my childhood and teenage years will be my personal winner.
Most of what I've bought from XBLA this year has been ports like KoF 2002, Street Fighter 3, Guardian Heroes, and Radiant Silvergun, and most of what I've bought from PSN this year has been PSone games like Resident Evil 3 to play on my PSP. The odd new title like Bloodrayne has snuck in occasionally, but apparently the service that keeps me surrounded by the most memories of my childhood and teenage years will be my personal winner.
I blame kinect! Both twisted pixel and double fine are working on games for that waste of space. >:(
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Woof - If Street Sharks is a "classic cartoon", stop the world I want to get off. Might as well anxiously await a "Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors" or "Sectaurs" image header.
Woof - If Street Sharks is a "classic cartoon", stop the world I want to get off. Might as well anxiously await a "Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors" or "Sectaurs" image header.
I'm sure XBLA will still get titles, that's not up for debate. The 2D Boy research was just about unique/indie stuff... not the big name shit. And as long as I can get it and its free updates on Steam, which I can carry around in my laptop, there's no reason to pay in stupid microsoft money.
Considering how badly developers want in on the Summer of Arcade, and how practically nobody cared about Sony's attempt at this, I'd say it sounds right.
Microsoft does a much better job at promoting these games. And if I'm honest, Sony needs to categorize they're games a lot better. The PSStore is a maze. Everything is lumped together in a ridiculous alphabetical order. And you can't view the entire alphebetized list all at once.
Microsoft does a much better job at promoting these games. And if I'm honest, Sony needs to categorize they're games a lot better. The PSStore is a maze. Everything is lumped together in a ridiculous alphabetical order. And you can't view the entire alphebetized list all at once.
Seems like valid points on both sides. The 2D Boy survey seemed to target small indie studios like Team Meat. However, the comments by EEDAR and company regard XBLA as a whole, including titles from major publishers.
i dont care, im the consumer, this has nothing to do with me and what i buy or dont buy. if something comes out that i like, i buy it, if not i skip it. done.
I go back to that "ease of dealing with" chart. Most respondents replied with "excruciating" for Microsoft. That is a problem, no matter how you look at it, and one that Microsoft needs to address. If they fix that, if they get that up to even "so-so" with Sony, then I think they get back the attention of a lot of developers.
Seriously, think about it. I don't believe anyone can say there isn't a problem. If developers think Valve, Facebook, and Apple are "very easy" to deal with, and most likely more profitable, then why would most go the "excruciating" route?
As 2D Boy pointed out, XBLA used to be the top dog, the place for an idie team to develop for if they wanted exposure and profit. Being hard to deal with didn't count for a lot, because developers had little choice. Things have changed, however, and now developers DO have choices. All the console makers, not just Microsoft, will now have to fight to entice top flight indie developers to produce games for their consoles, rather than jump ship to Valve, Facebook, and Apple.
Seriously, think about it. I don't believe anyone can say there isn't a problem. If developers think Valve, Facebook, and Apple are "very easy" to deal with, and most likely more profitable, then why would most go the "excruciating" route?
As 2D Boy pointed out, XBLA used to be the top dog, the place for an idie team to develop for if they wanted exposure and profit. Being hard to deal with didn't count for a lot, because developers had little choice. Things have changed, however, and now developers DO have choices. All the console makers, not just Microsoft, will now have to fight to entice top flight indie developers to produce games for their consoles, rather than jump ship to Valve, Facebook, and Apple.
I think with the massive back-catalogue, alongside a steady stream of quality releases, XBLA is in no trouble and MS can afford to be choosy about games. In fact the back catalogue is reason enough to keep the floodgates closed; judging from the shitpile I waded through in Android marketplace, this is a good idea.
I tend to buy the games on impulse when they're on sale and I have such a huge backlog I doubt I'll ever put serious time into some of them.
I tend to buy the games on impulse when they're on sale and I have such a huge backlog I doubt I'll ever put serious time into some of them.
And this just goes to prove that an analyst is nothing more then a person who gets paid (I guess) to make an "educated opinion". You can't generally tell any of these people that they're "wrong" because know one really truly knows these things they're talking about with any certainty.
Also, I guess like Billy Pidgeon pointed out, wasn't that 2D Boy thing just for indie games and not the arcade as a whole? Cause I don't really think Arcade is going to die, or decline, just because they aren't (in many peoples opinion) supporting indie games, there's plenty of publishers and developers making games for XBLA that aren't considered indie, out there.
Also, I guess like Billy Pidgeon pointed out, wasn't that 2D Boy thing just for indie games and not the arcade as a whole? Cause I don't really think Arcade is going to die, or decline, just because they aren't (in many peoples opinion) supporting indie games, there's plenty of publishers and developers making games for XBLA that aren't considered indie, out there.
@BoomingEchoes you're right, 2dboy was referring to indies. I don't really get their beef though, indies are given an indie channel to to as they please and there are many excellent games available there.
The beef sounds more like indies who have been given access to the big-players' distro channel in the XBLA who aren't happy with having to play by the big-players' rules. MS is wise to keep the quality up there and generally XBLA is only good and up, bar a few exceptions.
If MS is to promote an indie title on their valuable promotion channels, it's only fair that it be made worth their time by getting a good cut or exclusivity to promote the platform, as I bet the big-players pay their due for such access.
The beef sounds more like indies who have been given access to the big-players' distro channel in the XBLA who aren't happy with having to play by the big-players' rules. MS is wise to keep the quality up there and generally XBLA is only good and up, bar a few exceptions.
If MS is to promote an indie title on their valuable promotion channels, it's only fair that it be made worth their time by getting a good cut or exclusivity to promote the platform, as I bet the big-players pay their due for such access.
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