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The death of the disc will also herald the death of consumer rights. I'm ready to find a new hobby if this cloud crap is true. Maybe fishing.
Short answer: yea, we still need physical media for now. Not everyone has broadband or even access to the Internet, and not everyone has bought into digital distribution. Also, we need a lot more on-board storage - in thinking at least a TB for the 720 and PS4 if they want to start pushing online media in conjunction with whatever storage options they include via their cloud servers.
Microsoft will bite the bullet and license Blue-ray for the 720.
They'll also continue to ramp up on their digital delivery of games like they are now with older titles.
They simply can't go full digital/cloud delivery as they'd cut off a large portion of their install base. Not everyone worldwide has their boxes connected to the internet nor does everyone have highspeed, unlimited internet.
They'll also continue to ramp up on their digital delivery of games like they are now with older titles.
They simply can't go full digital/cloud delivery as they'd cut off a large portion of their install base. Not everyone worldwide has their boxes connected to the internet nor does everyone have highspeed, unlimited internet.
Yeah, I have a 10GB/month cap right now. It better change once I get LTE in my area.
As much as I love my downloadable games and soon-to-be-Cloud gaming, I do enjoy owning the physical copies. Hell, I've bought more music CDs this year than ever before.
As much as I love my downloadable games and soon-to-be-Cloud gaming, I do enjoy owning the physical copies. Hell, I've bought more music CDs this year than ever before.
I love having the physical disc here with me. I've never had any trouble with broken or scratched discs. I take care of my stuff, but I understand accidents happen. Also like Magnalon said we'd need a ton more onboard storage if it did go cloud. I fill my harddrives up already as it is.
Google's Fiber Network needs to be installed in every city before we are ready to stream high def and even 3d HD quality video games. I feel like if we go the route of Cloud gaming we should prepare for longer load times, HUGE downloads and for some people an unplayable experience.
Also, what happens if you are without internet for a period of time for whatever reason...no gaming. Sure you could go outside but what if a storm is what knocked out your internet? Can't go outside, your cable/internet is knocked out but power is on.
Also, what happens if you are without internet for a period of time for whatever reason...no gaming. Sure you could go outside but what if a storm is what knocked out your internet? Can't go outside, your cable/internet is knocked out but power is on.
I love the idea of the cloud, I want it, but I just don't think we are 100% ready for it yet. If PS3 games can fill up 50gb disks, we are gonna need a lot of HDD space and bandwidth. Give us the option for both and see what happens. My guess is that over time more people will go the digital route.
This then begs the question how the games will be delivered. Will microsoft run it's own store to buy all games? Will Microsoft then ask publishers to pay them more then they already do? If not, or if it's less then what htey would have to pay retailers will consumers see a price drop? ( doubt it ). It will be interesting to see
This then begs the question how the games will be delivered. Will microsoft run it's own store to buy all games? Will Microsoft then ask publishers to pay them more then they already do? If not, or if it's less then what htey would have to pay retailers will consumers see a price drop? ( doubt it ). It will be interesting to see
Yeah, I'm with llort het. An all online media system sounds like a terrible idea, for a lot of reasons. It also strikes me as funny that companies rely more and more on digital content while many ISPs are getting more strict about bandwidth usage.
When movies stop being distributed physical, storage get really chip and easy to upgrade and online stores cover all regions.
like others have said.. the cloud is a dream for gaming and i can't see it be feasible for AAA games for at least 5-10 years. plus, add in the fact that ISPs are not throttling/limiting data downloads and most people get speeds under 5Mbps, keep on dreaming about that cloud...
plus, i like having my game in my hands and knowing that i can play it 10 years later given i have my console. cloud storage, game could be gone a year or two even though we did pay for them. just sayin...
plus, i like having my game in my hands and knowing that i can play it 10 years later given i have my console. cloud storage, game could be gone a year or two even though we did pay for them. just sayin...
I don't like this Cloud stuff. Considering how prone things have been to hacking this year, I don't want to be cut off from my shit.
Give me disks.
Give me disks.
If we had Japan style internet coast to coast it MIGHT work. But with games getting larger and larger (and don't think the high res textures of next generation games aren't gonna require BD-50's most of the time) it won't be practical until we move beyond fiber speeds for the majority of the populace.
If we had Japan style internet coast to coast it MIGHT work. But with games getting larger and larger (and don't think the high res textures of next generation games aren't gonna require BD-50's most of the time) it won't be practical until we move beyond fiber speeds for the majority of the populace.
Why didn't Microsoft just use HD-DVDs? Just because movies failed to accept the platform that is no reason Microsoft couldn't.
They won't use Blu-Ray. They don't want to give any money to Sony to license it. Same reason why the Xbox d-pad sucks, they didn't want to pay Nintendo or Sony to use their designs.
They won't use Blu-Ray. They don't want to give any money to Sony to license it. Same reason why the Xbox d-pad sucks, they didn't want to pay Nintendo or Sony to use their designs.
1) Make all of the XBLA, GoD, and XBLIG games available on the Nextbox
2) let us keep our old gamertags
3) BACKWARDS COMPATITABILITY.
2) let us keep our old gamertags
3) BACKWARDS COMPATITABILITY.
Pure cloud gaming will never happen. The quality and size of games are advancing faster than the methods to stream/acquire it. While people stream more, the ISP companies place stricter broadband caps; so essentially, cloud gaming is throttled by greedy ISP barons. Also, you'd have to be in a major metropolitan area to get even a decent speed to play streamed games.
The only place I can conceivably picture a pure cloud working is in a dense market with good internet infrastructure, like Japan.
The only place I can conceivably picture a pure cloud working is in a dense market with good internet infrastructure, like Japan.
For christ's sake analysts, the problem with cloud-based gaming isn't the "mass market acceptance", it's the ISPs. 10 Mbps downstream isn't going to work for HD gaming over a cloud. And since cable/DSL providers aren't allowed to compete with each other, that's not going to change anytime soon.
Cloud is bad when corporations are owned by eugenist and pedophiles.
I find it hilarious that we are living in a world just as bad as 1984 or Brave New World, yet nobody notices it!!!!
Brilliant.
I find it hilarious that we are living in a world just as bad as 1984 or Brave New World, yet nobody notices it!!!!
Brilliant.
@nanowerx
For the same reason they didn't start using hard drive installs so developers wouldn't be handcuffed to a 7GB limit, because Microsoft failed to make the part a standard function of the original console.
For the same reason they didn't start using hard drive installs so developers wouldn't be handcuffed to a 7GB limit, because Microsoft failed to make the part a standard function of the original console.
Physical media is important to me as a collector, and someone who would rather physically hold the games in my hand. Besides, being able to mingle with other gamers waiting in line for games at midnight release is great social connection.
No cloud gaming for me, I donit like streaming, I only trust physical copies.
I do hope this Next Xbox comes out next year.
I do hope this Next Xbox comes out next year.
I'm still sad we don't use cartridges anymore, however I don't mind discs, but the day consoles go all wi-fi is the day I stop playing video games
Playstation offers "cloud" stuff and I am not at all interested.
I will never ever buy a game that I can not play without an internet connection, screw DRM and screw the could. Great for backing up documents and what not but not for storing stuff I have paid for and can not use without it.
I will never ever buy a game that I can not play without an internet connection, screw DRM and screw the could. Great for backing up documents and what not but not for storing stuff I have paid for and can not use without it.
I don't see an entirely cloud future, but they may be onto something for a half/half split.
I would still always buy the discs though because i like my collection of 100+ 360 games (plus all the other consoles and games) and I want to beat that when we go next gen. Seriously though, my apartment looks like a gamestore!
I would still always buy the discs though because i like my collection of 100+ 360 games (plus all the other consoles and games) and I want to beat that when we go next gen. Seriously though, my apartment looks like a gamestore!
I think its just the temp name, Arttemis. It rolls of the tongue better than "the next generation Microsoft console"
No. I for one (i'm sure there are many others too) can't afford high speed internet or Xbox Live. If disc cease to be, so will my life as a gamer. They shouldn't risk losing a huge customer base just for streamlined service.
Cloud based gaming is really not a good thing at all. In all aspects! It only is a positive to the company that produces the product. All the gamestops, Ebgames and so on can kiss their business goodbye, it will destroy them and put thousands of people out of work. Technology is good, but when abused it is the worst thing of all.
I love Cloud because you don't have to wait years for new tech. But if your internet connection is interrupted...
What I want is total account integration with PC. I want to be able to buy stuff for my console from my PC, and to be able to manage and access everything. I want that part to be cloud based.
Also, I would be all for digital distribution on consoles if they were even close to being competitively priced relative to physical media. I understand why they are not, because digital does not cost in terms of storage space, and more importantly, there is zero competition, with console stores being monopolies, but until they adjust that model, I'll continue to buy physical copies.
What I really, really want is more online stores available on consoles. Could you imagine D2D, Steam, Impulse, Origin, and Amazon all having presences on the PS4 or 720? Digital distribution would skyrocket, prices would drop, and Microsoft/Sony would make a ton in licensing fees.
The company that tries to hold on and maintain a monopoly over their content is going to suffer. If someone breaks out and embraces services like Steam, and finds a way to really tap into the MMO market, then they're going to leave behind those that stick to the traditional approach.
Also, I would be all for digital distribution on consoles if they were even close to being competitively priced relative to physical media. I understand why they are not, because digital does not cost in terms of storage space, and more importantly, there is zero competition, with console stores being monopolies, but until they adjust that model, I'll continue to buy physical copies.
What I really, really want is more online stores available on consoles. Could you imagine D2D, Steam, Impulse, Origin, and Amazon all having presences on the PS4 or 720? Digital distribution would skyrocket, prices would drop, and Microsoft/Sony would make a ton in licensing fees.
The company that tries to hold on and maintain a monopoly over their content is going to suffer. If someone breaks out and embraces services like Steam, and finds a way to really tap into the MMO market, then they're going to leave behind those that stick to the traditional approach.
I don't want all cloud because it will eventually lead them to STREAM all the games, and us essentially just renting play experiences, never allowed to keep anything. Streaming sucks. DO NOT WANT DO NOT WANT!!!!!
Mind you, wanting to go totally digital does not mean I support a cloud only option. I want to be able to download my things and store them on my end, similar to Steam.
I want discs for many reasons. First of all collector's value, it's simply cool to own a physical copy of a game. Secondly, if you hate it, you can sell it, or you can buy a used one cheaper. Next, you still need a disc drive to play collection of your favourite Xbox 360 games on the new console, and to watch your movies. And as for the format of discs on the new console I'd say Microsoft will not go with Blu-ray. They will probably do something similar to Wii U and develop their own high-capacity optical discs instead of paying for Blu-ray. Microsoft doesn't want you to watch BD movies on your Xbox because Microsoft doesn't release any BD movies at all (and Sony does under Sony Pictures of course). So Microsoft will gain nothing on incorporating Blu-ray into their console and they will have to pay licensing fees etc. As for movies Microsoft wants you to rent or buy movies on Zune Marketplace and that's it.
"Let's hear some of your speculation, Destructoid. Are we ready for an all-cloud future?"
My speculation is that Microsoft is going to start needing to get their hands dirty (or dirtier) and pushing ISP's (or the government) in the US to be more competitive in speed/pricing and help them find ways to eliminate data caps if cloud gaming is going to happen in any sense really.
Gamers in MANY MANY areas of the country are going to be completely fucked just by their location on the map because of this because of speeds alone, before they even start pushing those caps.
My speculation is that Microsoft is going to start needing to get their hands dirty (or dirtier) and pushing ISP's (or the government) in the US to be more competitive in speed/pricing and help them find ways to eliminate data caps if cloud gaming is going to happen in any sense really.
Gamers in MANY MANY areas of the country are going to be completely fucked just by their location on the map because of this because of speeds alone, before they even start pushing those caps.
It's absolutely going to be a hybrid console. That way they can pretty much enforce X-box live fees. It's funny given that cloud computing isn't a panacea, and makes less sense now that processing power and space are so cheap. You're shoving data down the weakest bottleneck.
@Gamefluke
Will they? By being a hybrid they can leap over blu-ray technology. People with fast internet can just get HD on demand. People that care about graphical fidelity, don't have a fast internet connection, and aren't using a PC would probably be a pretty small market.
I still think it was a stupid decision not to make all 360s hd-dvd players. It wouldn't have cost them much and it would have cost Sony a whole lot of money.
Will they? By being a hybrid they can leap over blu-ray technology. People with fast internet can just get HD on demand. People that care about graphical fidelity, don't have a fast internet connection, and aren't using a PC would probably be a pretty small market.
I still think it was a stupid decision not to make all 360s hd-dvd players. It wouldn't have cost them much and it would have cost Sony a whole lot of money.
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