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I wonder if Pachter thinks Valve should stop having so many sales. Yep. Let's undermine our competitive advantages and things that distinguish us favorably from our competitors for marginal short term gain.
There is nothing they can actually strip - basic PSN is pretty much multiplayer, account management and messages + some discounts at PSS. Everything more fancy is PS+ exclusive anyway, so nothing will actually change.
Honestly, the only thing that makes PSN attractive is that it's free. If people had to pay an additional $60 for a PSN bogged down by ads like Live, no one would do it.
Analysts should come up with a new term for themselves. I think these days, people see "Analyst" and automatically assume BS. Which, I suppose, isn't unfair of them.
@GRiVEN: I don't think there is any chance multiplayer will be payment-locked - no one expects it to be, read the news again.
Please for the love of god, stop acting like bleeding every single possible customer completely dry. Fuck all you analysts and corporations. STOP IT.
I'm on the fence about weather I'm going to buy another console or just stick to PC gaming.
These companies are making it really easy for me to decide, heck, it seems sometimes that they are trying to push me OFF the fence into the PC side.
These companies are making it really easy for me to decide, heck, it seems sometimes that they are trying to push me OFF the fence into the PC side.
What could they possibly strip? Allowing to buy stuff from the store? That'd be ridiculous, having to pay so you can enter and buy games.
""I think it's unlikely that they will require a fee, but think they will strip down the free version to multiplayer and not much else in order to encourage people to pay the fee," said Michael "Dairy Lips" Pachter"
Cool, so Sony is really going to add features. Awesome!
Cool, so Sony is really going to add features. Awesome!
I enjoy PS Plus but I wish they would change the way they'd go about saying things are "Free" when it's really only a rental service.
Though I guess it's the only way to say it is "Free" or "Free for PS Plus members" so semantics and what not.
Also Jimboxxx said Jim is on a roll when Jim said he puts PSN over Live in this article. I knew Jimboxx was secretly a fan of Sony :)
Though I guess it's the only way to say it is "Free" or "Free for PS Plus members" so semantics and what not.
Also Jimboxxx said Jim is on a roll when Jim said he puts PSN over Live in this article. I knew Jimboxx was secretly a fan of Sony :)
@ hardy83
I'm already hopping the fence. I might get a PS4 since Sony actually makes worthwhile exclusives, but otherwise I just don't give a damn about consoles at this point. It will only get worse as budgets soar ever higher and stagnation creeps in on far too many sides.
I'll take the multiplat games and the lovely indie scene, please.
I'm already hopping the fence. I might get a PS4 since Sony actually makes worthwhile exclusives, but otherwise I just don't give a damn about consoles at this point. It will only get worse as budgets soar ever higher and stagnation creeps in on far too many sides.
I'll take the multiplat games and the lovely indie scene, please.
How is it sounding better Silent? The analysts could say Nintendo should do the same thing, doesn't mean anything.
And this makes no sense considering that's all PSN offers for free.They could add ads I suppose but that is really it.
And this makes no sense considering that's all PSN offers for free.They could add ads I suppose but that is really it.
The only thing you really do on PSN is online gaming, download demos, and watch Pulse.
What could they even strip away from it? They have cross-game chat for free on Vita. I think this is pretty baseless speculation.
What could they even strip away from it? They have cross-game chat for free on Vita. I think this is pretty baseless speculation.
If they do this, I guess I'll have to spend more money because I have no choice. But they better not because they owe me everything I've ever wanted for free!
(Seriously though, what are they going to put besides multiplayer under PS+? Playstation Home? Hah!)
(Seriously though, what are they going to put besides multiplayer under PS+? Playstation Home? Hah!)
Netflix on the Xbox really bothers me. If I pay for Netflix, I don't figure I should have to pay for Gold to access it. I like Sony's current model. Online gaming is now part of gaming and is no longer an "extra" - it should be free. Access to apps like Netflix or Sony's own Crackle - these should be "free". Access to Home (much as I never use it) should continue to be free.
I don't care if they bring in new things like clan/Guild functions or even party chat and charge for them, though it would be nice if this was all a la carte and not bundled into an expensive subscription service.
I don't play online games on my Xbox for the simple reason that I don't have gold. This means that most games I buy, I buy the PS3 version of it. If Sony wants to lose that business then they'll do what MS does and start making me feel like I'm being ripped off.
I don't care if they bring in new things like clan/Guild functions or even party chat and charge for them, though it would be nice if this was all a la carte and not bundled into an expensive subscription service.
I don't play online games on my Xbox for the simple reason that I don't have gold. This means that most games I buy, I buy the PS3 version of it. If Sony wants to lose that business then they'll do what MS does and start making me feel like I'm being ripped off.
Honestly, my 11years old sister is doing a better job at speculating than mr.Pachter...
Does companies look to him as a unbiased source of analytic possibilities?
So basically they would pick him over the intelligent sounding individual on the street?
This brings up the question how the hell did this guy fall into this job?
What are the requirements? Doing good blowjobs?
Does companies look to him as a unbiased source of analytic possibilities?
So basically they would pick him over the intelligent sounding individual on the street?
This brings up the question how the hell did this guy fall into this job?
What are the requirements? Doing good blowjobs?
Forgot about netflix. yeah, if Sony goes this route I would truly hate their guts. This is literally, in reality, what made me drop all support for 360. This exact issue.
I buy 100% of my games on PS3 now because of the way PSN is run, and the fact that they don't paygate bullshit like demos, multiplayer and netflix.
I buy 100% of my games on PS3 now because of the way PSN is run, and the fact that they don't paygate bullshit like demos, multiplayer and netflix.
My patience is thin enough with the crap nickel-and-diming that happens even before I put the game disc in the tray. I gave up paying for gaming online with Dwango and Seganet.
@UltorOscariot
Pachter is an absolute moron and I would hardly call the process that mulls through his skull as "thinking". I did not always think so less of him, often dismissing or casually agreeing with him in the past. However watching him from 2009 to 2011 you see a man that could not "analyze" a hamster if he was choking on it from both ends.
Really now the man once claimed there was no market on PC, barely devoid of anything other than WoW. Then later in another video session said he was always on the side of the PC, being a big PC Gamer himself and as a traditional gaming market the PC was very strong.
@UltorOscariot
Pachter is an absolute moron and I would hardly call the process that mulls through his skull as "thinking". I did not always think so less of him, often dismissing or casually agreeing with him in the past. However watching him from 2009 to 2011 you see a man that could not "analyze" a hamster if he was choking on it from both ends.
Really now the man once claimed there was no market on PC, barely devoid of anything other than WoW. Then later in another video session said he was always on the side of the PC, being a big PC Gamer himself and as a traditional gaming market the PC was very strong.
well sony already started taking away features in favor of PS+.
as for paying for multiplayer on Playstation? it's a little tricky. so far sony dumped all costs on third parties who have to run all multiplayer servers by themselves(that's why multiplayer experience on ps3 is so down right atrocious and that's why there's no cross-game chat).
considering the amazing job MS is doing with their service, rather sooner than later huge part of third party publishers/developers will demand from sony handling entire online services(and not like now only PS Store), because MS is providing amazing online experience completely free of charge for publishers and developers with unprecedented support in terms of helping them set up online structure for their games. there's a reason why 3rd party publishers pushed sony into changing their EULA which allowed all publishers to close down online servers for their games after only 6 months of running - something that's impossible on XBL. if a publisher want to close down servers for their games on Xbox 360 they have to run those servers by themselves since MS provides servers for all games for as long as they want(we all remember how incredibly long original Xbox's servers were going). and those publishers still have to pass certain quality assurance check to be able to run online servers for 360 games on their own - unlike ps3 games since sony doesn't care about quality of online experience(problems with servers with sony published games proved that, not to mention lack of response in terms of fixing multiplayer bugs, exploits and glitches).
as for paying for multiplayer on Playstation? it's a little tricky. so far sony dumped all costs on third parties who have to run all multiplayer servers by themselves(that's why multiplayer experience on ps3 is so down right atrocious and that's why there's no cross-game chat).
considering the amazing job MS is doing with their service, rather sooner than later huge part of third party publishers/developers will demand from sony handling entire online services(and not like now only PS Store), because MS is providing amazing online experience completely free of charge for publishers and developers with unprecedented support in terms of helping them set up online structure for their games. there's a reason why 3rd party publishers pushed sony into changing their EULA which allowed all publishers to close down online servers for their games after only 6 months of running - something that's impossible on XBL. if a publisher want to close down servers for their games on Xbox 360 they have to run those servers by themselves since MS provides servers for all games for as long as they want(we all remember how incredibly long original Xbox's servers were going). and those publishers still have to pass certain quality assurance check to be able to run online servers for 360 games on their own - unlike ps3 games since sony doesn't care about quality of online experience(problems with servers with sony published games proved that, not to mention lack of response in terms of fixing multiplayer bugs, exploits and glitches).
Yeah this seems like typical analyst bullshittery. As others have already stated, free PSN pretty much provides only multiplayer. As long as that remains intact, I doubt there could be much more they could do.
Argh. I can kind of see where he was going with that comment but free is the reason I went with PSN first over Live, we don't want to take a step back do we? Now if stripped means "PS Home is available to premium users" or the next gen "cross game chat is available only to Plus members" I can see that. Stripped as in Netflix is only available to Plus members would be 110% stupid imo
@sofik88
"that's why multiplayer experience on ps3 is so down right atrocious and that's why there's no cross-game chat"
look like you clearly doesnt have a clue of what you are talking about.
"that's why multiplayer experience on ps3 is so down right atrocious and that's why there's no cross-game chat"
look like you clearly doesnt have a clue of what you are talking about.
WHY DO WE KEEP GIVING THIS GUY ATTENTION
Seriously, Molyneux has more accurate predictions than this guy.
Seriously, Molyneux has more accurate predictions than this guy.
if playstation start to put ads on the ps3 dashboard like xbox did, I will crack my firmware, get rid of sony's firmware and start getting my games from the internet.
Yeah... I really can't stand the multi-player of most console games, so I'd be pissed if they took the other features away.
Of course, Sony could totally get away with it. You can jump up and down shouting about how you'll do this or that, but it doesn't matter. Consumers will be trained by corporations to accept it. Hell, Microsoft has already done a splendid job training consumers to accept all of the BS they've been pushing since the original Xbox Live... a lot of which has become a standard all across the industry.
Of course, Sony could totally get away with it. You can jump up and down shouting about how you'll do this or that, but it doesn't matter. Consumers will be trained by corporations to accept it. Hell, Microsoft has already done a splendid job training consumers to accept all of the BS they've been pushing since the original Xbox Live... a lot of which has become a standard all across the industry.
Dairy lips made me guffaw. Is there a story behind that name or did you just feel it was suitably horrifying?
@RiotControl
not quite true,
I got rid of my xbox360 ages ago and now play a PS3.
a big part of that decision was the things microsoft were doing with their live service.
I was not trained by microsoft to accept it.
I didn't like what they were doing and I turned away from them.
not quite true,
I got rid of my xbox360 ages ago and now play a PS3.
a big part of that decision was the things microsoft were doing with their live service.
I was not trained by microsoft to accept it.
I didn't like what they were doing and I turned away from them.
Stay the course Sony, upgrading the paid service to entice others into purchasing it is the key, taking away the free content will ruin your fanbase just to rage. Ignore every single "Dairy Lips" you come across.. You're doing good, give the PSvita the same treatment with ps+ and you will have people flocking to the already amazing paid system. Cheaper Addons across the board, the ability to keep players coming back to the paid service is a must..
You're currently the best option outside of PC's for amazing console deals. Start lowering the price on some games for vita/ps3 for those who own the service for awhile, give incentives for being a member for longer then 3 weeks. Opening up your hearts to fans will always garner the rewards you've been striving hard for. Don't be greedy and give in to those who are jelly you're doin much better then the other two.. Numbers?.. pfft.. common sense guys. Use it since a part of better business isn't cutting things in a down economy, it's giving the most bang for one's buck.
(Ironic I used zelda I know but it was the only boat I could think of vidjah game wise...)
Pachter is way off base here. Where does he get off suggesting that Sony would strip away features/functionality from their customers?
Sony lost my money with my last YLOD. This would be salt in my wound, but I got a 3DS and a new PC and couldn't care less about that silly old 6-core XD
Ladies and gentlemen: the fall of console gaming. Wow. I can't believe we've come full circle on this. Coming out of the PS2/Xbox generation, Sony and Microsoft were set to crush Nintendo, turn the PC into a platform for Flash games and niche hardcore titles, and take over the handheld space with the PSP and Live Anywhere.
And now we're here. Speculating over whether or not Sony should take away features from a service which is already inferior to both Steam (which is completely free and devoid of ads) and Xbox live (which is $60 a year and filled with them). All the while praying that DRM isn't exponentially ramped up for the next console cycle. This is pathetic.
Excuse me while I buy a Vita and a gaming rig and stop giving a fuck about this nonsense.
And now we're here. Speculating over whether or not Sony should take away features from a service which is already inferior to both Steam (which is completely free and devoid of ads) and Xbox live (which is $60 a year and filled with them). All the while praying that DRM isn't exponentially ramped up for the next console cycle. This is pathetic.
Excuse me while I buy a Vita and a gaming rig and stop giving a fuck about this nonsense.
Pachter is paid to make publishers and their investors money. That is his job. He is not making predictions. He is not figuring out ways to make your life better. Stop acting surprised when he comes up with ideas on how to screw you out of your money -- it's how he puts bread on the table.
This has become a fetish with this man, and a severely illogical, irrational one at that. Guys like him are a dime a dozen at every Wall Street firm and major publishing headquarters.
And whether you agree with it or not, his analysis is a good one -- just not for any of us. And if you don't think Sony wasn't already trying to figure how to go about this, you're delusional.
This has become a fetish with this man, and a severely illogical, irrational one at that. Guys like him are a dime a dozen at every Wall Street firm and major publishing headquarters.
And whether you agree with it or not, his analysis is a good one -- just not for any of us. And if you don't think Sony wasn't already trying to figure how to go about this, you're delusional.
I have all three consoles (who doesn't now-a-days)
I don't play online a lot. I like to play single player games, RPG's, things like that. I like Netflix, and using my consoles as a media streaming service.
That being said I have a subscription for PS Plus that I will be renewing because I enjoy the heck out of it. Small little game experiences that I wouldn't want to really pay for, but having a $5 or so per-month service it's full on worth it.
I do not have Gold because it is primarily about Multi-player (as stated don't do that) but they put as many other things that are not within that core competency behind the gold wall to force people like me into it... thankfully I have an alternative on my PS3 to avoid that.
So from my perspective the model that Sony is using is working and has made me a paying happy customer. The model MS is using does not work for me, and instead keeps me pissed off and not buying games for that system (Love the Forza series but won't buy 4 because I refuse to get Gold just so I can participate in the marketplace)
I don't play online a lot. I like to play single player games, RPG's, things like that. I like Netflix, and using my consoles as a media streaming service.
That being said I have a subscription for PS Plus that I will be renewing because I enjoy the heck out of it. Small little game experiences that I wouldn't want to really pay for, but having a $5 or so per-month service it's full on worth it.
I do not have Gold because it is primarily about Multi-player (as stated don't do that) but they put as many other things that are not within that core competency behind the gold wall to force people like me into it... thankfully I have an alternative on my PS3 to avoid that.
So from my perspective the model that Sony is using is working and has made me a paying happy customer. The model MS is using does not work for me, and instead keeps me pissed off and not buying games for that system (Love the Forza series but won't buy 4 because I refuse to get Gold just so I can participate in the marketplace)
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