I need more Zoolander in my life. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart.

I'm shocked that I haven't seen any posts from the asshole PS3/XB360 fanboys who put value on games not based on the game itself but on the console it plays on. ("Oh yeah! Space Invaders and Galaga are just so-o-o-o much better on the [PS3|XB360]!!" F**king morons.)

@Projectexodus: I agree with you 100%. Hell, the popularity of the Wii caught Nintendo off guard! It's no surprise that the developers didn't see anything in the Wii. The success of games like GH3 and Rock Band on the Wii should be enough proof that people are getting tired of the cutesy games for which the Wii is condemned by the fanboys.

I don't necessarily care about shovelware as long as the game is deserving of it. Case in point -- Okami. OMG, that game is so-o-o f**king awesome! That's the kind of shovelware that I'll be glad to take. Sadly, Okami is in the minority of ported games that are worth buying.

As of now the graphics on the Wii are sufficent for most casual gamers and that won't change too soon, I guess.
Though once hardware sales of the Wii drop, Nintendo will announce a new machine with graphic power equal to the PS3 and 360.

@ParaParaKing:

The graphics for the Wii are underrated. One of the first games that I bought for mine was Need for Speed: Carbon, and I think that the graphics are very nice. I've heard that the latest Need for Speed is even better looking.

Unfortunately, you seem to be falling into the same falsehood that the rabid asshole fanboys love to spout -- graphics == gameplay -- which is a complete fallacy. Graphics are only one part of the equation. Look at the outrage from the GH3 Dolby ProLogic screwup, and that has nothing to do with graphics.

The problem is that the idiot fanboys (sorry for being redundant) continually equate quality with the power under the hood. They don't realize that what's under the hood means nothing if the games aren't worth playing because the gameplay sucks.

(And before I get accused of being some kind of Wii-lover, I just bought the MSG4 PS3 pack today.)

Lack of system capabilities isn't going to slow the Wii down, it's just going to alienate the hardcore gamers that Nintendo doesn't care about anymore. Oh, and those game analysts must have been in a coma for a year or something.

I'm still not convinced.

If Wii2 sells as just as good, then I'll believe it. Until then I think it's jsut a bun cf overzealous non gamer types jumping on the bandwagon.

Mate that with an attrative pricepoint, bundled with WiiSports, it'll continue to collect dust on shelves in peoples homes worlwide.

I can see the Wii becoming the best selling console of all time, especially considering Nintendo will surely release a Wii Lite or something with all the Hard drives and Blu rays and such.

No More Heroes, Super Smash Bros Brawl, Mario Kart Wii, Super Mario Galaxy, Super Paper Mario, Zelda: Twilight Princess, Metroid Prime 3 = great games for the Wii. Boom Blox, Blast Works, Mario Strikers Wii, Mario Party 8 = good games for the Wii. Resident Evil 4, Okami, Guilty Gear XX Accent Core (with a good controller), Lego Star Wars: Complete Saga = great ports.

Also WiiWare, VC, and the entire Gamecube library.

Not a fad, still a gimmick though. And I own a Wii.

I could just say "Yes it is" and be done with it, but in hindsight, it's not a fad. Nor is it a revolution of any kind. It's an overclocked GameCube with a Power Glove on a stick that has a handful of really good games floating atop the cesspool of shit that makes up the majority of the Wii library.

Keep in mind, of course, that these opinions are fueled, in part, by the fact that for two-plus years I haven't been able to find the fucking thing anywhere.

"However, as other consoles continue to push the envelope with graphics and online capability, the Wii still falls (intentionally) behind. Do you think it'll hurt Nintendo in the end? Or will they have come up with some new master plan by the time that the difference becomes a deal-breaker?"
They don't need a new master plan. They've been pretty much dominating in demand alone for the past year and a half, with little signs of that momentum slipping up. Yes, they know how to market and that has played a vital role in Wii's success, but I've seen it firsthand when people who don't normally game play games pick up the Wii and they're not just having fun, but an absolute BLAST. Sony and Microsoft are kicking themselves in the ass for not capitalizing on the casual market sooner.

The problem I keep seeing from gamer opinions is that those are always grounded in their long tenured history of being hardcore gamers. Sure, your (general 'your') opinion might be valid when speaking on behalf of gamers, but the general public (gramps and middle aged soccer moms) are just getting introduced to the medium through the Wii and could give a damn about how many polygons can make up a single character model or what the processing power is of their system. Novel gaming concepts will always trump technological know-how anyday.

Besides, I think a year and a half in video game console terms is a pretty good indicator that it is not a fad. All I can remember is Summa's constant flamebait of how the system will be a failure and how the games will be terrible...he may be right on one count (not that I'm going to be the one agreeing with it, I actually enjoy the Wii more than my other systems), but on the system's success, that you cannot argue. And to think, everyone predicted doom and gloom from the day the system name was unveiled. I personally think it is time for those people to stop making predictions at all anymore.

Nintendo has an excellent opportunity to keep up this extreme turnover. All they need to do is come out with something like Wii Fit every six months or so.

Wii is a fad, its just one that's taking a long time to die off.

And I say this is a Wii owner.

I apologize for the double post in advance.

@John B:

I owned a Wii, but sold it 5 months after I purchased it. Is it just me or is the "your a PS3/360 fanboy" argument used anytime someone criticizes the Wii? I didn't see you comment on any of my points, you simply told me I was a fanboy. I never said Nintendo isn't doing anything right. They have done a brilliant job marketing the Wii.

I still think the Wii is trash, the Wii Fit just strengthens my opinion.

Wake up call: The "hardcore gamer" is the minority.

Nintendo has already had more success with the Wii than the Gamecube and the original Xbox and did so in just little over a a year. In addition, despite the 360's head start, the Wii has even managed to beat it too. That's really impressive.
The next stop is for the Wii to surpass the N64's lifetime sales.

I think third-party support of high quality Wii titles has been mostly lackluster but I think things are finally starting to turn around and will most likely get even better next year especially with games like Mad World and The Conduit.

But I lose my hardcore title if I mention enjoying a little cheap console that allows me to do a lot of unique things I can't readily do on a PC...oh well!

Welcome to Destructoid, where fanboys leave their humanity and tolerance at the door.

@Mxyzptlk:

You speak truth.

@DToid:

NOW YOU KNOW HOW MEXICANS AT MACY'S FEEL!

I am still in shock.

Everyone remember, in the 80's Nintendo promised that they would prevent crappy third party games from being published on their systems.

I think now they should prevent crappy first party games as well.

Transformers the Game ( I Don't <3 you. I </3 you!)

@beefmonkey

Yes. Mario, Zelda, and Metroid are definitely for the hardcore audience, Metroid in particular. They aren't necessarily the pick up and play games that you would associate with the Hardcore crowd.

Age has nothing to do with it. I have an 8 year old cousin who owns at Halo 3. Why would his age make him any less hardcore?

I bet most of the people who say wii = shit because it has less graphics power, think that Final Fantasy 7 was great despite its terrible graphics. Meh, even if casual gamers are jumping in too fast who cares, there are a few good games and stuff that is great on the way and thats why I own a wii. Also have a 360 and I get bored of that.
I wont buy a PS3 until they are last gen.

People forget that not every gamer has a HD ready TV to play these great HD games on, so why bother getting a console for the graphics.

@Sinnix:

- Rock Band
- Guitar Hero III
- Okami (now that it's been ported)
- No More Heroes (awesome game)
- Zack & Wiki (also an awesome game)
- Tiger Woods Golf (try replicating the golf swing on a PS3 or XB360)
- Need for Speed: Carbon (which actually has really nice graphics)

No Mario or Zelda in that list.

all you care about is your investigatory journalism, you don't care about how many people you leave dead and bloody along the way.