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Seriously... what PC gamer (who probably dropped a fair amount of cash on his gaming rig) DOESN'T have internet access? I don't see this as a big deal, but maybe that's just me.
When I'm at uni, there's limited internet allowance, and when I go home, there's no internet at all. So Ubisoft won't selling PC games to me, (or many people at uni).
LOL, I see a big deal there @Jordan Thomas Gibson! I mean... what if I go to some kind of farm and take my laptop for some gaming time? And the last game I bought is Assassin's Creed 2? Oh oh, i'm screwed. ''You're not able to play because you're offline''
Oh my gosh.
Oh my gosh.
Makes sense. When I think of the internet I think PC more than any other device. I guess I'm assuming but I would think most PC users are connected all the time anyway.I'm always connected and I don't even game on my PC so I would believe almost all PC gamers are connected too. Piracy is a tough nut to crack and the PC crowd is a tough group to cater to. They get pissed at the drop of a hat and all band together, shaking their fists in the air. PC gamers do not like to be restricted.
Ok, never purchasing a Ubisoft game again, since my internet connection isn't always stable. Thanks Ubisoft, go suck a dick.
That's pure bullshit. I'm constently on the move because of my job, and my gaming laptop I bought last year pretty much replaced my DS. Looks a bit more professionnal and was as fun. Well guess what : fuck that, looks like I'll be playing SMT: Strange Journey on my trips now.
Oh wait, recent Ubisoft games suck balls anyways. Now if only Mass Effect 2 could download faster...
Oh wait, recent Ubisoft games suck balls anyways. Now if only Mass Effect 2 could download faster...
While I am a prolific steam user, and don't think this kind of thing is that big a deal, I have had problems with such online based DRM before. Im in halls at Uni, and the firewall is locked up pretty damn tight. It took a LONG time and a LOT of effort in the IT dept. to get steam working. So long as Ubi's system actually sticks to the ports it says need to be open (UNLIKE STEAM....which had the techies pulling their hair out) and I can still log in then fair enough.
Seriously... what car driver (who probably dropped a fair amount of cash on his driving rig) DOESN'T have a cell phone? I don't see why car companies wanting to call your cell constantly to check to see if your car was stolen would be a problem, but maybe that's just me. </sarcasm>
That's pretty stupid..what if you wanted to play like a single player game on the go. Like in the car or somewhere that doesn't have any wi-fi..
Especially for games like Assassin's Creed 2..then upcoming PoP..
Plus if you have some crappy internet then it disconnects in the middle of playing the game..that's just really stupid..
Especially for games like Assassin's Creed 2..then upcoming PoP..
Plus if you have some crappy internet then it disconnects in the middle of playing the game..that's just really stupid..
@ CJDeathBlade: I will be moving into my very own flat in a couple days and I won't have net access for some time not that it bothers so I can relate
But if this how the future looks for games and other campanys start to follow this tread, its gonna be very grim indeed
But if this how the future looks for games and other campanys start to follow this tread, its gonna be very grim indeed
HELLO?? LAPTOPS?? you left out a very important point Jim about gaming laptops may not always have a wifi connection handy...
I would have sided with them back in 2003 when Steam launched, but now it really makes no sense. People who game on PC's still have internet connections that are always connected. There is no sense in getting mad over something that will not impact you.
I would expect wi-fi to get bigger and bigger in the future. Japan is supposed to be pretty covered. I know Japan is a small country but that doesn't mean it can't be done in a bigger country.
This is so hilariously (and scarily) bad. Do these companies really assume all their customers in various countries have constant internet? really?!?
Talk about shooting themselves in the foot, goodbye laptop travellers. Goodbye poor students, people moving house, people that simply get by without a net connection. Goodbye to those in regional areas where it's not available or stable.
I swear they don't give a shit about anything other than the US and JP markets and even then, they don't care very much.
Talk about shooting themselves in the foot, goodbye laptop travellers. Goodbye poor students, people moving house, people that simply get by without a net connection. Goodbye to those in regional areas where it's not available or stable.
I swear they don't give a shit about anything other than the US and JP markets and even then, they don't care very much.
If their games have a singleplayer mode, then it's impossible to block pirated games (all you need to do is fool the game to think it's talking to the real servers). And if their game only have online multiplayer, then it's impossible to block private servers.
At first I was annoyed about this, but then I realised this is Ubisoft and they haven't made a good game since Prince of Persia Sands of time, so I'm not too bothered right now. That is until a company that makes good games starts trying this shit out.
Yeah, and when I get disconnected it should boot me from the game with a huge "Fuck You, Game Over" screen.
I hate this kind of DRM, IMO it's the worst kind because it requires a internet connection. Sadly Valve does this crap also, take L4D2 if you will...I couldn't install the damn thing without a internet connection let alone play it. Yes most people have a internet connection but it really suck when you don't or move or switch services and are without it for a bit. I had to wait 1 month just to be able to install L4D2!
Now how exactly does this help with piracy? Because the last time I checked you can always find DRM-less versions 1 or 2 days after a titles release. I was tempted to download a DRM free version because I couldn't even install the damn title I paid for! This sort of crap justifies piracy if not encourage it! IMO that is.
Now how exactly does this help with piracy? Because the last time I checked you can always find DRM-less versions 1 or 2 days after a titles release. I was tempted to download a DRM free version because I couldn't even install the damn title I paid for! This sort of crap justifies piracy if not encourage it! IMO that is.
@BalloonFighter - define small. It's larger in total area than most European countries, such as Germany or the UK.
Pirates will just take a week instead of a day to come up with a 100% offline working crack... And more people will pirate it just like people did with Spore...
I make all my PC purchases on Steam now because I have a computer at home and at school, but if this kind of DRM shows up even in Steam versions, I guess I'll trust Jim Sterling and not even consider giving AC2 a chance.
I make all my PC purchases on Steam now because I have a computer at home and at school, but if this kind of DRM shows up even in Steam versions, I guess I'll trust Jim Sterling and not even consider giving AC2 a chance.
Some of the commenters here clearly never experienced Internet outages before because some of them seem to think the only way you lose a connection is if you unplug the ethernet from the back of the computer.
*palms forehead*
*palms forehead*
I don't like the idea of constantly being monitored by some bot on the cloud for whichever reason. They always manage to slip in some tiny paragraph into various online functionality EULAs that let them capture more data than one bargained for.
Like Windows 7/Vista. Never. Telemetry Consolidator Service? Customer Experience Improvement Program? Biometric devices? Location API? Go fuck yourself with a rusty nail.
I reserve my right to privacy. I hope they crack the fuck out of this mechanism and make all UBI's effort go to waste.
Like Windows 7/Vista. Never. Telemetry Consolidator Service? Customer Experience Improvement Program? Biometric devices? Location API? Go fuck yourself with a rusty nail.
I reserve my right to privacy. I hope they crack the fuck out of this mechanism and make all UBI's effort go to waste.
Ubisoft has been one mf my least favorite "larger" game developers for as long as I can remeber and less than 5% of my games are from them and this is, by far, a bullshit move.
Steam's DRM is the only one that seems to be truly transparent, so anything tied in directly with Steam is just fine with me. If Ubi wants me to buy one of their games, they'd better hope for a Steam version.
The only problem I have with the idea of needing a persistent internet connection is if, god forbid, my connection is down or if for any reason I can't make payment on the account. If there's some sort of emergency offline mode, that would be okay. I'm sure there won't be one, however, since any sort of backdoor like that will make hacking the DRM all the easier.
I'd gladly see PC gaming die off if this is what it's going to come to.
The only problem I have with the idea of needing a persistent internet connection is if, god forbid, my connection is down or if for any reason I can't make payment on the account. If there's some sort of emergency offline mode, that would be okay. I'm sure there won't be one, however, since any sort of backdoor like that will make hacking the DRM all the easier.
I'd gladly see PC gaming die off if this is what it's going to come to.
shit. even steam lets me play games offline. fuck you guys. i hate drm. we all know that pirates will probably crack it anyway.
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While I cannot define small , I will define big as in the United States. I didn't know that about Japan compared to European countries but that I believe strengthens my argument.
While I cannot define small , I will define big as in the United States. I didn't know that about Japan compared to European countries but that I believe strengthens my argument.
"Anyway, looks like the pirates are about to get the better product again. Yay."
Gotta go with CordableTuna on this one
You gotta love software companies way of dealing with piracy. This is just the ammunition hackers love. When will they figure out that this copy protection "never" works.
Are there any major PC games out there that haven't been torrented? The only people that suffer are the customers who pay good money for shite products.
Gotta go with CordableTuna on this one
You gotta love software companies way of dealing with piracy. This is just the ammunition hackers love. When will they figure out that this copy protection "never" works.
Are there any major PC games out there that haven't been torrented? The only people that suffer are the customers who pay good money for shite products.
are you serious? So how does that work when my great AT&T connection goes down for a day or 2 like usual. Im stuck with Ubisoft games that i cannot play? Dont think so. I wont buy their games. I hate games that make you need an internet connection to set them up. I think thats BS too. I buy a game and there is so much hassle and BS to play them. Or i pirate the game and get to enjoy it without having to jump through corporate BS hurdles. Easy choice
you know when alcohol (and now pot) prohibition was (is) in effect, it only helped to bolster crime and mafia gains.
sometimes a few companies need to look back on the past in other areas they're not involved in to see what they're doing does not inhibit piracy, it creates it and funds it very well.
but, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. but then you can get on that horse and make him run out of energy, then he'll drink.
sometimes a few companies need to look back on the past in other areas they're not involved in to see what they're doing does not inhibit piracy, it creates it and funds it very well.
but, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. but then you can get on that horse and make him run out of energy, then he'll drink.
Steam works because you don't actually have to be online... has a nice feature-set that are a value add, and isn't ever a PIA to get to things you've purchased.
Remove any of those elements and it fails... as ubisoft will.
Prediction! When they release this scheme, and the PC games fail... they'll blame piracy.
Remove any of those elements and it fails... as ubisoft will.
Prediction! When they release this scheme, and the PC games fail... they'll blame piracy.
Natetgegreat
"Some of the commenters here clearly never experienced Internet outages before because some of them seem to think the only way you lose a connection is if you unplug the ethernet from the back of the computer. "
only other thing I can think of is a power cut in which case no power to your wifi/Internet box.
If you want to blame anyone for this move (and this applies to everyone slamming ubisoft for this move) then blame the pirate culture that thinks it can take games and distribute them for free.
Any company wants to protect it's investments and i'm personally sick of hearing people say "it will get hacked/pirated anyway" as if this makes it excusable.
"Some of the commenters here clearly never experienced Internet outages before because some of them seem to think the only way you lose a connection is if you unplug the ethernet from the back of the computer. "
only other thing I can think of is a power cut in which case no power to your wifi/Internet box.
If you want to blame anyone for this move (and this applies to everyone slamming ubisoft for this move) then blame the pirate culture that thinks it can take games and distribute them for free.
Any company wants to protect it's investments and i'm personally sick of hearing people say "it will get hacked/pirated anyway" as if this makes it excusable.
Meh Steam will still have their games and will still let you play offline so I'll stick to Steam thank you.
This aside I am getting pissed off with the constant bitching about DRM, does it even affect anyone? I mean really and not just because you want something to bitch about? I think this is why I class myself as console gamer first - even though I play just as much PC games - PC gamers are such whiny shits.
This aside I am getting pissed off with the constant bitching about DRM, does it even affect anyone? I mean really and not just because you want something to bitch about? I think this is why I class myself as console gamer first - even though I play just as much PC games - PC gamers are such whiny shits.
"While many PC gamers have a persistent Internet connection, a significant amount do not."
umm. That's very VERY wrong.
umm. That's very VERY wrong.
It doesn't bother me personally because I am always online and at some point there will be a crack for it, but I have to say the lengths to which the videogame industry goes to annoy its customers is rather unprecedented.
I am having friends come over TODAY to play some LAN games with me, and not everyone has a copy of every single game. It is completely ridiculous to take away all LAN features and have every single person have to log on to a server just to play a match with friends. WITH a unique CD key.
Ubisoft sucks chode. Stupid idea, HAVING to be online 100% of the time. A once in a while authentication check, sure, I'm cool with that, but 100% online or no game? Fuck that shit. Network infrastructure is extremely sensitive and being without my games should I experience a network outage, or even have a massive delay in my network due to problems or inefficiencies at the ISP, is simply unacceptable. Again, Ubisoft sucks chode.
Lol, blame the pirates? Good one. Hey, the world populace can't think of a way to properly distribute wealth and resources throughout the planet, creating a prevelance of greed and abuse of the system. BLAME DA BANKZ!
Has no effect on me whatsoever, in fact I prefer it to securom etc.
I imagine they will include an offline mode like steam once its activated and tied to your account.
I imagine they will include an offline mode like steam once its activated and tied to your account.
listen Bakewell,
if piracy was actually this big godam giant threat as ubisoft wants you to believe, they and not one other company would release a thing on the pc. they're doing this as a form of control, and its not to control their interests but yours with whatever spyware is in their "special" servers. i don't see bluray and dvd movies that i have to be online to fuckin watch and piracy effects those more than anything, and avatar was still perfectly fine in setting new records.
and when sales come back negatively because of these deceitful drm packages, ubisoft will blame it on the pirates and not their own actions that forced it to happen. ubisoft sucks anyway, they made haze.
if piracy was actually this big godam giant threat as ubisoft wants you to believe, they and not one other company would release a thing on the pc. they're doing this as a form of control, and its not to control their interests but yours with whatever spyware is in their "special" servers. i don't see bluray and dvd movies that i have to be online to fuckin watch and piracy effects those more than anything, and avatar was still perfectly fine in setting new records.
and when sales come back negatively because of these deceitful drm packages, ubisoft will blame it on the pirates and not their own actions that forced it to happen. ubisoft sucks anyway, they made haze.
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