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Addressing the n-word in Def Jam Rapstar photo

Hip-hop isn't exactly a genre known for clean language and family-friendly images. While Konami, Def Jam, 4MM Games and Terminal Reality are using radio edits for all of the songs and music videos in their upcoming rap/hip-hop game, Def Jam Rapstar, the truth is that many songs are more explicit than we realize. 4MM, who is doing most of the development, is a little more accepting of this graphic language, choosing to print the leading letter followed by a dash for most foul words.

This was fine in most cases, except one: the n-word. As a white male, this is a word I am just not comfortable saying, and seeing it in songs, even just alluded to with "n-----," was one unexpected stumbling block. I performed T.I.'s "Live Your Life," and while the song has a positive message and less swearing than many others, the n-word caught me completely off-guard. What would I do? What should I do?

I brought this question to Jamie King, the Chief Creative Officer for 4MM Games, and while he recognized the problems, he explained that it's up to individual feelings and preferences:

We don't have ownership, as [white people], of that word. I think that word does come up, and that is perhaps a word where, with the radio edits, there is an opportunity to not say it. We certainly don't make it a central part of the story or the career mode. That is a very personal decision in that point and time, regardless of race, creed and color as for how you use that word in the context of the song. Obviously, these artists are using it; they've empowered it and own it. To just shy away and be frightened doesn't mean we should abuse it, and hopefully I think we've treated it in a respectful manner the way all these artists and their content in their work would expect us to.

So what do you think? Will you be saying swear words when you play Def Jam Rapstar, even the especially loaded n-word?








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Aberrant Thought's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 12:04
Aberrant Thought
If I were to play the game, I would likely use the words unless I found myself around humans that found its utilization uncomfortable. I used to have qualms about it until I was made to suffer under being anti-white sentiment in a black community by people far more well-off and less persecuted than I.
Josh Tolentino's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 12:06
Josh Tolentino
It's clean and family-friendly if it's Will Smith.
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 12:09
Occams electric toothbrush
I feel silly saying it. The word falls out of my mouth like a baby bird out of it's nest. Nah, don't think I'll be saying it.
TheNomadicTroll's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 12:10
TheNomadicTroll
If you're black, it's okay. If you're white, then nope, unless you have black friends.
Endstiem's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 12:11
Endstiem
If it's part of the song, it's part of the song.
PvPPY's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 12:18
PvPPY
@Endstiem - bang on. I'd be fine with using it in the company of people who are okay with the original artist using the N-word. If they don't like hearing it from some bald middle-aged guy instead of Snoop, maybe they should re-evaluate their pride and prejudice.
Max Morin's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 12:18
Max Morin
I don't think I would feel comfortable blurting out the word while playing a game. Even if I were sitting there alone, I probably would feel wierd saying it.

Besides every time I say it, I sound more like a white person using the term in a racists tone more then anything else, so.... I will avoid it

I think it is because I have a habbit of pronouncing it as its spelled, with the "er" at the end" as opposed to how people say it with "ah" at the end.

But I digress, I simply will not say it.
George Eric Oliver's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 12:19
George Eric Oliver
its just a matter of comfort in your own usage in the word, who your with, and where you are. People who are comfortable knowing that they mean no disrespect when saying it shouldn't be scrutinized for using it in the context of a rapping game.
Kraid's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 12:22
Kraid
am I the only one of thinks Raekwon's face is absolutely hilarious considering the title.

Oh !He mad now!
fetusmilk's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 12:25
fetusmilk
"We don't have ownership, as [white people], of that word."

i stopped reading after that.
NOBODY owns words. anyone has the right to use any word/s how they see fit.

im sick and tired of this Human Bitching Condition.
Badical's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 12:27
Badical
N---- please!
BoBoTheChimp757's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 12:28
BoBoTheChimp757
Forget death and taxes being the only two certainties in life, I'd like to add a third...double standards.
Ramalho's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 12:29
Ramalho
If it's in the song, sing it, just don't go out in the streets calling people it, I'm not gonna say it from respect of people that don't wanna read it (like Ben) but it doesn't mean shit for me. Maybe because English is not my first language.

Btw, if you want to play a rap game then you shouldn't get unconfortable with what it says, don't go in expecting clean lyrics.
Purist's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 12:31
Purist
Nigga please.
JDefined's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 12:35
JDefined
We don't own that word? We better get to work making a game featuring a word we do own.

Honkey Hero, anyone? Equal rights, after all.
Alex N's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 12:37
Alex N
I'll laugh so hard if only white suburban kids get this game and then all their parents gonna hear in their basements is hardcore gangsta rap.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 12:40
Xzyliac
AAAHAHAHA!!!! Greatest response ever!

White people are pussies. I can guarantee you with an M rating not a single black person would care. If anything that would turn them off to the game. It totally detracts from the hip-hop fantasy they're trying to imitate.

I lul'd. I lul'd hard.
jawshoeuh's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 12:43
jawshoeuh
I will replace n---- with ninja or niagra.

What up my ninja!
Niagra please!
HEL105's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 12:48
HEL105
I'm black, and I certainly wouldn't say it. Most of my black friends don't use it either. They also don't play terrible games like this, either.
RenegadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 12:53
RenegadePanda
Don't vocal games still base your performance based off pitch and whatnot? You could just sing the song normally, then make a random noise if an undesirable words appear. If it's like Rock Band, that should work.

I'm reminded of the time a friend got all the way through 'Smells Like Team Spirit' using nothing but random noises.
teke367's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 12:53
teke367
To me, the sentiment is more important than the word being used. You can say some really terrible things to people without using any "dirty" words. That being said, I do not control what others get offended by, so while I may think its silly to get upset if somebody used the N word in a quote, it doesn't mean somebody else isn't actually offended by it.

Though, its not actually illegal to use the word. So it should be up to your comfort level. Say it if you want, don't say it if you're uncomfortable.

On a side note, I never bought the whole "We say to take the power out of the word" argument. If that's true, they're doing a bad job at it. In case nobody noticed, there is still a lot of power left in it.
twincannon's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 12:58
twincannon
The "n-word" isn't "loaded", get over it. Poltical correctness is bullshit. People listen to this music, they can't suddenly pretend to be upset over lyrics that they have heard countless times before.
akathatoneguy's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 12:59
akathatoneguy
If they're using radio edits, this is a great big FAIL. I've never bought edited albums, and messing up lyrics because I'm unfamiliar with the (sometimes much different) "clean" version doesn't sound fun.

Of course, the game doesn't really sound fun, either. Are they just rating you on getting the lyrics right, with the right timing? How hard is that? You're basically just coloring.

@ jawshoeuh- "Nucka" works nice, too. Has a nice solid sound in the middle, just like the original word.
YoTanaka's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 13:01
YoTanaka
I'll say it, who cares?
I hope they have some full album downloads on there. If so, Niggaz4Life by NWA would be a MUST BUY!
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 13:05
Elsa
There is positive "ownership" of a term - but by saying that only people of a certain color can use the term makes the word divisive and encourages racism (and prejudice goes both ways).

The "N" word is still racist - as defined in the dictionary as "based on racial intolerance" or "discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion".
I try not to use racist words in a derogatory manner so no, I wouldn't sing those words... but nor would I have an interest in music that uses racist, sexist or derogatory language.

... besides, I'm old. RAP music sucks, JPop sucks... but showtunes rock!
D Sane's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 13:14
D Sane
I think that in the context of catchy rap songs that you're performing, it'd be a disservice to the artist who wrote the song to censor yourself by not saying it. If you can match the flows of your favorite rapper, you should be able to rattle off the n-word in the middle of a song with enough swagger that no one will care, even if you're white. I don't think it's not being racist to quote or recite the words of some one else who isn't being racist either. You can be plenty racist against black people without ever using that word, so why give one word so much power by not ever saying it?
Corduroy Turtle's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 13:18
Corduroy Turtle
I wish white people had a cool but touchy word that we could call ourselves but pretend to get mad if other races used it. "Cracker" doesn't work. "Honky" just sounds funny. "Racist" is too "old school".


I'll just go with "white-ass bitch".
Bakewell's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 13:19
Bakewell
No one has ownership of a word or language, it's pathetic that after all this time and progress this word is a taboo still and yet it's banded around by all the "coolest" rap stars.

My opinion (should it matter, which I expect it doesn't) is that we accept the word and move on OR everybody stops using it.
SourGr8pes's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 13:21
SourGr8pes
I really wish there was an option to use either the uncut or radio edit (although that might actually just be a huge waste of disc space).

I've no qualms over the N word, because I don't mean it when I say it. You just gotta watch where you drop it, because some people can't exactly read your good intentions.
socialnorms's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 13:25
socialnorms
I'm glad to see so many understand the double-standard behind this magical word. Because we should all be punished for crimes we've never committed.

I have a friend who stopped talking to me because I quoted 50 Cent in a song: "Nigga my gun go off." I liked the song, genuinely and with a sense of humor. That friend works at NYU, which should explain everything.
Suigyoken's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 13:26
Suigyoken
You know what? If you're going to make it all exclusive to a one race to say that word, then that in itself is racist. Why should one race of people be "safe" from saying it excluding all others? That's pretty much what I think, it's bad if you have to yell it or say it in a negative way to people in general, but I think anyone should be able to use any word they see fit.
adbueno18's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 13:32
adbueno18
the real question is who gives a shit about this game? its ANOTHER music game, come on people.
socialnorms's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 13:32
socialnorms
Has anyone ever heard the Glee version of Kanye West's "Gold Digger?"

"I ain't sayin' she a gold digger. But she ain't messin' with no broke, broke."


That's just dumb. If Kanye's egomanical ass gets to say the word in pop-culture, so does everyone else. That's what equality is.
Blasto's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 13:32
Blasto
If it bothers someone that much, why in the fucking fuck are they listening to/ interested in Def Jam Rapstar? That's utterly retarded. Misogyny, racism, superficiality, gratuitous violence, greed etc. are key components to a lot of popular Rap, so why the fuck do people listen to it if that bothers them. Listen to some Del the Funky Homosapien or something, not the rest of that nonsense. There's all kinds of stupid ass lyrics in Metal music, but I don't give a shit, I like it regardless, and wouldn't have a problem singing any of it, nigga. "Ownership of words", fuck that PC, white-guilt bullshit.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 13:39
Xzyliac
Ian MacKaye warned us all.
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 13:41
Occams electric toothbrush
@Blasto: But without white guilt, how else will I know how to act around my non-white friends?
LsTr Of SmG's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 13:41
LsTr Of SmG
What Bakewell said.
mr showtime's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 13:44
mr showtime
As a black man, not only can I say it; but I can also call you all a bunch of STANK HONKYS without repercussion.
Jumbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 13:46
Jumbo
You really shouldn't be rapping other people's raps. Raps aren't like songs. Karaoke is biting.
SpidaMahn's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 13:47
SpidaMahn
Use "Ninja" instead.
TREND-KILLER's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 13:59
TREND-KILLER
Mr. showtime showing your ignorance
mr showtime's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 14:05
mr showtime
LOL @TREND

Sarcasm is so difficult to convey in print.
jaycobo's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 14:10
jaycobo
@Ben
Are you seriously that afraid of saying a word? Its a word that people use to both show their fondness of one another (He's my nigga) and also as a term of endearment (Look at that crazy nigga). It also has meanings that are offensive to some, like many many other words.
Its just a word and it only has as much meaning as you allow it to have.
Everyday Legend's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 14:20
Everyday Legend
This is ridiculous. The only reason this word still elicits what it does is because we as a culture (not a race culture, but a mindset) still give it the weight that it carries. Most black folks that I know treat this phrase as a term of endearment, no matter who you are or what you look like, but will acknowledge the polar difference between the -a and -er versions of the phrase. If it ends in -a, you're good, provided you're singing along or with company who term you as such, therefore asserting your level of "down" with the crew you roll alongside.

The -er variant will get your ass kicked, no matter how, why or when you hurl it.
Raggamofyn's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 14:20
Raggamofyn
Bullshit, Jamie King. People don't own words, you colossal douchebag.

That blurb disgusts me. What disgusts me more is that people have to say stuff like that just so they can keep their job. Obviously, he'd probably have to say something like that sooner or later. Or, you know, just put out the game and assume people realize that there could be offensive themes in "Def Jam Rapstar."

What about the domestic violence, objectification of women, husslin' smack, and those other wonderful things? Naw, people already know that's all hip-hop is about. Like the N-Word. (Which is an absolutely fucking disgusting term on it's own.) Not that any of that offends me or anyone I know, anyway. The only people that are offended are the ones that want to be,

I would be disappointed in any game that postures itself as a hip-hop and rap singing game and didn't let me say "nigga." I should be able to say "nigga" if I can say "Bitches ain't shit but hoes and tricks."

Ideally, I should be able to say or sing anything I want, especially to repeat the lyrics of a song I liked, and especially especially one I liked enough to make me buy the game.
KingSigy's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 14:35
KingSigy
The only reason the n-word still carries negative tones is because people are afraid of it. Now, we obviously can't change that by just saying it out loud all the time, but censorship isn't the way to go.
Char Aznable's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 14:40
Char Aznable
Fuck radio edits and fuck this game.
AnonEmoose's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 14:50
AnonEmoose
Good for them. I`ve never been more proud of a company defending this position.
smurfee mcgee's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 14:51
smurfee mcgee
The big message here: Radio edita are being used.
Fuck it. I was willing to give it a rent, but no way now. How the fuck can you do Wu-Tang without cussing or the n-word? Is anyone still gonna try this?
Also, say negro cus it's funny as hell.
Ujn Hunter's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/13/2010 14:54
Ujn Hunter
Meh... Rap sucks. But it's just a word... if these rappers keep using it then there is no problem saying it... it's part of the song (if you can call it a song!) so I see no problem saying it. Word g!
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