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Haha, Sessler is awesome, and he makes totally valid points in regards to L4D2. Still, I can't help but feel a little disappointed in Valve for doing a sequel so soon. I'm definitely going to give L4D2 a fair shot though, and if the extra features seem like they warrented a full sequel I'll happily play the new one.
Let's just hope they get it right this time and there's not a holiday '10 release of L4D3: World at War.
Let's just hope they get it right this time and there's not a holiday '10 release of L4D3: World at War.
I agree with Sessler. I'm going to buy this game and enjoy the fuck out of it. Just like the original.
I just want Half life 2: Episode 3. I'd rather them work on that then left 4 dead 2, it's that simple.
Sessler is good stuff but D-toid is sure on Valve's nuts pretty hard nowadays, wonder if they have a pending deal with them to advertise LFD2 or something.
PREACH!
but really, he speaks the truth. How many internet signatures 20K? Yeah Left4Dead sold millions, I'm sure Valve is really worried.
but really, he speaks the truth. How many internet signatures 20K? Yeah Left4Dead sold millions, I'm sure Valve is really worried.
@Space Moose
What, so having an opinion contrary to the whiny fanbase automatically means that Dtoid is bending over for advertising cash? I love it when people find conspiracies out of nowhere.
What, so having an opinion contrary to the whiny fanbase automatically means that Dtoid is bending over for advertising cash? I love it when people find conspiracies out of nowhere.
shawn is boring- Considering that left 4 dead 2's development is irrelevant to the progress of Episode three, I'd say it's even simpler.
"Valve does not have a habit of screwing people"
FANTASTIC, GREAT, AMAZING NEWS, LEFT 4 DEAD 1 AND 2 WILL COME TO PS3 !!!!!
... ... ... it...it it's not ?... but Valve is so generous and doesn't screw people so assumed....
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I had to say it. That comment made me LOL
FANTASTIC, GREAT, AMAZING NEWS, LEFT 4 DEAD 1 AND 2 WILL COME TO PS3 !!!!!
... ... ... it...it it's not ?... but Valve is so generous and doesn't screw people so assumed....
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I had to say it. That comment made me LOL
FYI, my above comment is directed at the people that kept saying at the owners of the PS3 how amazing Valve has, but has soon has this news broke they turned 180ş; not at Valve or at Sessler.
Great job Sess. After the xbox-12yo-fucktards rant and now this, i'm starting to get attached to the 'ol guy.
Sessler is a gamer in the truest sense of the word. More gaming-news people should offer his sobreity and move away from stoking the flames of hormone-imbalanced teens...as fun as that may be.
Their little faces get all tight and their eyes seem ready to fly out of their sockets at the slightest provocation....Its really quite funny! I annoy every teen I can just to laugh at their pathetic anger..
Their little faces get all tight and their eyes seem ready to fly out of their sockets at the slightest provocation....Its really quite funny! I annoy every teen I can just to laugh at their pathetic anger..
I gotta agree with the valve don't own gamers anything crowd. They should be allowed to do whatever they want with their series as long as they're making quality games
@free touch; what? I think a fair number of people have been speaking up about this A LOT recently. Also, it's not self entitlement if somebody told you that you were entitled, just as an FYI.
It's a shame to see one side seemingly hammering home their opinion so virulently, but hey, it keeps people talking about it I guess.
It's a shame to see one side seemingly hammering home their opinion so virulently, but hey, it keeps people talking about it I guess.
and like a business, when they do something the consumers don't like, I will take my business elsewhere.
Amen Brother Sessler! Whiny bitches want free stuff. I bought L4D day one, and I've more then gotten my dough worth. Its an actual NEW game tards. Valve's still going to give updates to the first one, but GAMING COMPANY WANTS TO MAKE MONEY. And no matter how high on your throne and your sweet smelling poo, these whiners who may be very vocal on the internet, will not matter when we see actual sale numbers. L4D2 will sell like hotcakes. Internet hype? Anyone remember Snakes on a Plane?
You know what? Screw you guys. Screw Hamza CTZ Aziz, Screw Jim and Screw Adam.
Look at Left 4 Dead 2 yourself compare it to left 4 dead the original and ask yourself if it feel like a sequel or an expansion.
Eff this im making a response video. We got these 3 guys bashing on gamers WHO ARE JUST TRYING TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS about the game.
STOP WHININGSZ LOLZ. Well you know what? No one is forcing you guys to not buy left 4 dead 2, so why dont you guys quit YOUR bitching over other Peoples opinion. Let them do what the HELL they want with their money...
Oh and this whole "Game companies dont own you the gamers anything" iS HORSE MANURE.
Adam, Jim, and Aziz Light expect a video response tonight from the OTHER side. You want to act like this is some HUGE controversy. Well the report both sides.
Look at Left 4 Dead 2 yourself compare it to left 4 dead the original and ask yourself if it feel like a sequel or an expansion.
Eff this im making a response video. We got these 3 guys bashing on gamers WHO ARE JUST TRYING TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS about the game.
STOP WHININGSZ LOLZ. Well you know what? No one is forcing you guys to not buy left 4 dead 2, so why dont you guys quit YOUR bitching over other Peoples opinion. Let them do what the HELL they want with their money...
Oh and this whole "Game companies dont own you the gamers anything" iS HORSE MANURE.
Adam, Jim, and Aziz Light expect a video response tonight from the OTHER side. You want to act like this is some HUGE controversy. Well the report both sides.
I laugh at the fact that 90% of the people crying about this will, in fact, end up getting this game.
Even if it's by hook or crook, they will end up playing this game.
Even if it's by hook or crook, they will end up playing this game.
@Miguelcar808:
Valve is far from the only developer who doesn't release on all platforms. Get back to me when the developers of Among Theives don't "screw people" by not releasing it for the 360.
@Swizzler121:
Have fun NOT playing L4D2. Don't let the safehouse door hit your ass on the way out, because we don't want ass prints on our safehouse door. Also, you might let zombies in.
@AngryJoeShow:
No, this is definitely not merely voicing your concerns. This is a whiny threat of boycott, not constructive, concerned criticism.
The haters had some reasonable points in their list. The trouble is that it was a list of demands to be met or else, not suggestions to be discussed.
Now valve can see that 20000 of the millions who have bought L4D are whiners with a twisted sense of entitlement.
Valve is far from the only developer who doesn't release on all platforms. Get back to me when the developers of Among Theives don't "screw people" by not releasing it for the 360.
@Swizzler121:
Have fun NOT playing L4D2. Don't let the safehouse door hit your ass on the way out, because we don't want ass prints on our safehouse door. Also, you might let zombies in.
@AngryJoeShow:
No, this is definitely not merely voicing your concerns. This is a whiny threat of boycott, not constructive, concerned criticism.
The haters had some reasonable points in their list. The trouble is that it was a list of demands to be met or else, not suggestions to be discussed.
Now valve can see that 20000 of the millions who have bought L4D are whiners with a twisted sense of entitlement.
@AngryJoeShow
I would be fine with people complaining about it but they've gone above and beyond, they started to organize into group and start petitions to try and stop valve from making L4D2, That's not voicing your concern that's take action based on your own ideas about what should and should not happen.
Video game companies don't own you anything is completely true, If valve released DLC for free then great they took time out of their normal work and did something for their fans, something that's not even logical. Game companies are just that companies, businesses. The point of a businesses is to provide a service to the consumer for an exchange of goods (usually money). Once you buy something from them your relationship ends, buying something from them does not equal a contract of love between you and the company. You got what you paid for and they have every right to make another product.
I would be fine with people complaining about it but they've gone above and beyond, they started to organize into group and start petitions to try and stop valve from making L4D2, That's not voicing your concern that's take action based on your own ideas about what should and should not happen.
Video game companies don't own you anything is completely true, If valve released DLC for free then great they took time out of their normal work and did something for their fans, something that's not even logical. Game companies are just that companies, businesses. The point of a businesses is to provide a service to the consumer for an exchange of goods (usually money). Once you buy something from them your relationship ends, buying something from them does not equal a contract of love between you and the company. You got what you paid for and they have every right to make another product.
L4D is overrated anyway, too many rage quitters. I just don't see how valve doesn't just release a DLC since it's the same engine with new levels and different skins. It would be like buying TF2 over and over again with the new updates for the classes and the new maps.
BTW, valve does owe us for buying out Won.net and gave us the shitty steam. Still haven't fixed to stuttering bug that has been plaguing the source engine.
BTW, valve does owe us for buying out Won.net and gave us the shitty steam. Still haven't fixed to stuttering bug that has been plaguing the source engine.
I appreciate Sessler's attempt to quell the bitching of a certain percentage of juvenile boycotters, but it's not all about whining to get what we want. The motives behind Left 4 Dead 2 is just a slight turn down a different road for Valve that's more likely to lead down the path of every other game out there - but it's not doom spelling yet. For a company held so highly in regard by the gaming community, this reaction should be expected.
To use an old proverb - spare the rod, spoil the child. I enjoy Valve games, and love seeing them do something different. My boycott, though understandably misunderstood by everyone, is just a "hey... watch out" for them.
/end rant.
To use an old proverb - spare the rod, spoil the child. I enjoy Valve games, and love seeing them do something different. My boycott, though understandably misunderstood by everyone, is just a "hey... watch out" for them.
/end rant.
Ehh I don't know if agree with Adam this time around. From what I have heard about L4D2, it COULD be DLC or a patch...or even a reduced price retail "expansion".
This all smacks of why I didn't get COD:WaW. As a past PC gamer it just looked too much like something a skilled MOD team could pull off, especially in MP. Had the price of the game been like 40 bucks out the gate, then I might of gave it a go, but 60$?? no way.
also, correct me if Im' wrong but didn't Valve say that locations in L4D2 are the same from the the original title, just different "area's"?. If that's so, then if you ask me, Adam is wrong. It is just 5 dark unnamed regions to mindlessly kill zombies.
Personally, I played the first one for a week, then got bored. After many many co-op and online vs, I was stumped as to why it was such a great game. It felt generic, to not only me, but my friends as well.
This all smacks of why I didn't get COD:WaW. As a past PC gamer it just looked too much like something a skilled MOD team could pull off, especially in MP. Had the price of the game been like 40 bucks out the gate, then I might of gave it a go, but 60$?? no way.
also, correct me if Im' wrong but didn't Valve say that locations in L4D2 are the same from the the original title, just different "area's"?. If that's so, then if you ask me, Adam is wrong. It is just 5 dark unnamed regions to mindlessly kill zombies.
Personally, I played the first one for a week, then got bored. After many many co-op and online vs, I was stumped as to why it was such a great game. It felt generic, to not only me, but my friends as well.
First off let me say I still love Valve and plan on buying L4D2 day one.
It's not so much that a game company is releasing a sequel to an amazing game in one year, it's that Valve is better than that. With the exception of the new Director, everything could (very) easily be patched in. It just doesn't look (not talking about graphics) like a sequel. Look at Team Fortress 2, that's a sequel. And it only took them like 13 years! It has so many (free) updates added to it throughout the year, it's an entirely different game than when it was first released. Valve should be giving L4D the TF2 treatment is all.
It's not so much that a game company is releasing a sequel to an amazing game in one year, it's that Valve is better than that. With the exception of the new Director, everything could (very) easily be patched in. It just doesn't look (not talking about graphics) like a sequel. Look at Team Fortress 2, that's a sequel. And it only took them like 13 years! It has so many (free) updates added to it throughout the year, it's an entirely different game than when it was first released. Valve should be giving L4D the TF2 treatment is all.
It's like finding out your gorgeous, naturally tan girlfriend got a fake tan. You won't love her any less, but you wanna remind her she doesn't have to do that. Encourage it, and the whole relationship takes on a superficial bend. Sadly some people yell at their girlfriends to stop tanning.
No I'm not going to marry Valve, that was just an analogy :P
No I'm not going to marry Valve, that was just an analogy :P
I like how Adam asks where everybody got their sense of entitlement in regards to Valve games and DLC.
The answer is, they got it from playing other Valve games. Valve can do whatever they want. It's their business. But, if they think that people are going to have the same respect for them after pulling stuff like this, they're wrong. They only have so many opportunities to take advantage of peoples' (including game reviewers) loyalty. Eventually they'll just be another faceless opportunistic game company that tries to make a quick buck off of every little improvement. L4D: Smash Hits anybody?
The answer is, they got it from playing other Valve games. Valve can do whatever they want. It's their business. But, if they think that people are going to have the same respect for them after pulling stuff like this, they're wrong. They only have so many opportunities to take advantage of peoples' (including game reviewers) loyalty. Eventually they'll just be another faceless opportunistic game company that tries to make a quick buck off of every little improvement. L4D: Smash Hits anybody?
Usual bullshit arguments about how Valve made a great game, we should be thankful and they are a business so we shouldn't expect them to live up to statements they made during the prerelease hype.
I love how Sessler says "I would love to get a little more insight" when he has blatantly ignored anything and everything that has been said already so he can have his usual senseless rant.
I love how Sessler says "I would love to get a little more insight" when he has blatantly ignored anything and everything that has been said already so he can have his usual senseless rant.
@HertzaHaeon
It might help to know what you're talking about before you cite examples. Naughty Dog is a subsidiary of Sony Computer Entertainment, so it's impossible for Among Thieves to ever be on the 360. Try harder next time.
It might help to know what you're talking about before you cite examples. Naughty Dog is a subsidiary of Sony Computer Entertainment, so it's impossible for Among Thieves to ever be on the 360. Try harder next time.
I'm sorry, but Adam Sessler is a fucking tool shed. I wish I had something constructive to say about this topic, but... Adam Sessler.
Reading and listening to what has been going on here I'm glad I have no interest in this title. I have no doubt the first one is good. And I see this sense of entitlement every day, and it pisses me off to no end. No one owes you anything.
@HertzaHaeon
Sony owns the Uncharted IP, if I'm not mistaken, so unless Sony "pulls a SEGA" there's no chance.
Valve is the only 3rd party "High Profile" that hates the PS3 with a passion, thus making the company stand out.
Sony owns the Uncharted IP, if I'm not mistaken, so unless Sony "pulls a SEGA" there's no chance.
Valve is the only 3rd party "High Profile" that hates the PS3 with a passion, thus making the company stand out.
@Shawn is boring:
"I just want Half life 2: Episode 3. I'd rather them work on that then left 4 dead 2, it's that simple."
Valve isn't a tiny team of developers. They are working on Episode 3.
"I just want Half life 2: Episode 3. I'd rather them work on that then left 4 dead 2, it's that simple."
Valve isn't a tiny team of developers. They are working on Episode 3.
Don't you guys remember? L4D wasn't originally at Valve, they bought up the company that was making it. I assume the company they bought up would be the people working on L4D
Et tu, Sessler?
Alright, my only problem is people who oppose the people who oppose L4D2 (take a sec to read that again if need be) are simply saying everyone who's upset about the sequel coming out so quickly is a baby, a whiner, a loser...so on and so forth. I was actually surprised by Sess' relative strength of language. "Sense of entitlement"? Really Sess? Some people just can't afford to upgrade to the sequel almost exactly a year later. Personally, I feel that L4D, as it was when it came out (hell, even now), has far less value than L4D2, and that makes me a bit annoyed. I didn't want to play this card, but hey, I'm not a video game journalist who has these games sent to me for free. It's almost like the whole ODST issue. Would people be mad if ODST was just a short side-project campaign priced at $60? Of course. Are less people mad knowing that they've now thrown in the entire Halo 3 multiplayer with Firefight and perhaps a longer ODST campaign? Yes. You're never going to please everyone; in the end it really doesn't matter which video game journalist is talking down to which group of consumers. They have a right to complain for whatever reasons they want, just as they have a right to not buy the game. Again: this isn't going to matter in four months.
Alright, my only problem is people who oppose the people who oppose L4D2 (take a sec to read that again if need be) are simply saying everyone who's upset about the sequel coming out so quickly is a baby, a whiner, a loser...so on and so forth. I was actually surprised by Sess' relative strength of language. "Sense of entitlement"? Really Sess? Some people just can't afford to upgrade to the sequel almost exactly a year later. Personally, I feel that L4D, as it was when it came out (hell, even now), has far less value than L4D2, and that makes me a bit annoyed. I didn't want to play this card, but hey, I'm not a video game journalist who has these games sent to me for free. It's almost like the whole ODST issue. Would people be mad if ODST was just a short side-project campaign priced at $60? Of course. Are less people mad knowing that they've now thrown in the entire Halo 3 multiplayer with Firefight and perhaps a longer ODST campaign? Yes. You're never going to please everyone; in the end it really doesn't matter which video game journalist is talking down to which group of consumers. They have a right to complain for whatever reasons they want, just as they have a right to not buy the game. Again: this isn't going to matter in four months.
@mechayakuza @Miguelcar808:
Whatever. There are plenty of PS3-only games that aren't developed by Sony-owned developers, like Heavy Rain. Valve isn't held to the same standard as those developers. Normally it's a fact of life that some titles are console exclusive, but when Valve does it people suddenly DEMAND it for their PS3's, and when they don't get it they bitch and moan about how Valve hates their console, that they're lazy and ignorant developers, etc, etc.
It's grade-A bullshit. Come back when you hold Valve to the same standard as everyone else. They owe you just as little as Quantic Dream owes 360 owners.
Whatever. There are plenty of PS3-only games that aren't developed by Sony-owned developers, like Heavy Rain. Valve isn't held to the same standard as those developers. Normally it's a fact of life that some titles are console exclusive, but when Valve does it people suddenly DEMAND it for their PS3's, and when they don't get it they bitch and moan about how Valve hates their console, that they're lazy and ignorant developers, etc, etc.
It's grade-A bullshit. Come back when you hold Valve to the same standard as everyone else. They owe you just as little as Quantic Dream owes 360 owners.
As usual, Sessler is right. Valve has a long history of pleasing its customers (the reasonable ones, at least) and I doubt that that's going to change now. Even if EA pressured them into it, I'm sure Valve will put out a quality product. And hopefully they learned a few lessons from L4D1 and this release will be more robust, straight out of the gate.
@HertzaHaeon
But I have Left 4 Dead for the PC the problem is it to slow to run it, and I have a 360 and if I ever find L4D in the stores I'll buy it. What makes Valve different is Gabe Newell vocal or even infantile hatred for the PS3. And it's still hilarious the Valve's PR and employees trying to find excuses for Gabe's behaviour.
But I have Left 4 Dead for the PC the problem is it to slow to run it, and I have a 360 and if I ever find L4D in the stores I'll buy it. What makes Valve different is Gabe Newell vocal or even infantile hatred for the PS3. And it's still hilarious the Valve's PR and employees trying to find excuses for Gabe's behaviour.
So basically the people who don't want L4D2 made would rather have DLC for the first one instead? What!?
Whats so great about DLC anyway? Usually its a short affair and not really essential to the original game experience.
Id rather have a new game over DLC any day of the week. Now if the content of the sequel turns out to be less than worth the $60 (I doubt it will), that's another story.
Whats so great about DLC anyway? Usually its a short affair and not really essential to the original game experience.
Id rather have a new game over DLC any day of the week. Now if the content of the sequel turns out to be less than worth the $60 (I doubt it will), that's another story.
I think it's just sad when people make such a fuss, on either corner, about anything product related.
You either buy something or you don't. People are trying to make it personal, like they are being assaulted.
If you feel like Left 4 Dead 2 will bisect the L4D community, then wouldn't you actually feel better off without the people you've pegged as tards' in the same server as you?
Either the idea of the small changes that Valve has made to the formula and new maps warrants a purchase or it f--cking doesn't! You have no obligation, and should feel no betrayal, because Valve was never your friend to begin with, whether you are a part of the target audience or not.
You either buy something or you don't. People are trying to make it personal, like they are being assaulted.
If you feel like Left 4 Dead 2 will bisect the L4D community, then wouldn't you actually feel better off without the people you've pegged as tards' in the same server as you?
Either the idea of the small changes that Valve has made to the formula and new maps warrants a purchase or it f--cking doesn't! You have no obligation, and should feel no betrayal, because Valve was never your friend to begin with, whether you are a part of the target audience or not.
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