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That one guy left at IW is gonna be fucking laughing all the way to the bank!
I would hope that any IW employees to get this money would give at least half of it to West and Zampella out of loyalty.
I would.
I would hope that any IW employees to get this money would give at least half of it to West and Zampella out of loyalty.
I would.
@sexualchocolate
f those guys, they got plenty of cash and a shiny new dev studio. I'm sure the little folk still at IW could use it more.
f those guys, they got plenty of cash and a shiny new dev studio. I'm sure the little folk still at IW could use it more.
So the people who left IW (not the 2 bosses but the other employees) who were leads and such don't get it either wtf how is that fair? Those others should sue activision too
Those pre-orders I had on Blur/Singularity? Cancelled.
Sorry Dev's, but your publisher just screwed you out of at least one sale. These games will be bought used if at all. I just dont want to give Activision my cash, no matter how enjoyable the games look.
The Blur demo is fun, but oops, it's being published by Activision, so I guess I can have just as much fun with Split/Second and Criterion's Need For Speed game.
And as for Singularity, well we all know there is no lack of good First Person Shooters on the market.
This is really getting out of hand, and for them to publically announce such a thing is impossibly asinine.
Sorry Dev's, but your publisher just screwed you out of at least one sale. These games will be bought used if at all. I just dont want to give Activision my cash, no matter how enjoyable the games look.
The Blur demo is fun, but oops, it's being published by Activision, so I guess I can have just as much fun with Split/Second and Criterion's Need For Speed game.
And as for Singularity, well we all know there is no lack of good First Person Shooters on the market.
This is really getting out of hand, and for them to publically announce such a thing is impossibly asinine.
Canceling pre-orders over boardroom politics that don't concern you? Lame. You're a gamer, not an investor. Play fun games. Don't get involved in petty bullshit.
I know that we all think Activision are dicks but just take a step back for a second and think about this.
Company does amazingly well. Rightly or wrongly the two heads get fired. Why shouldn't the money be rolled down throughout the rest of the staff? What would you prefer, Activision keep it?
If Zampella and West win their case, and we all hope they do, they'll still get the bonuses anyway! Win/win. If they lose, it's because they broke their contracts. Regardless of whether they delivered a huge selling product or not, if they break their contracts they don't deserve it.
Company does amazingly well. Rightly or wrongly the two heads get fired. Why shouldn't the money be rolled down throughout the rest of the staff? What would you prefer, Activision keep it?
If Zampella and West win their case, and we all hope they do, they'll still get the bonuses anyway! Win/win. If they lose, it's because they broke their contracts. Regardless of whether they delivered a huge selling product or not, if they break their contracts they don't deserve it.
Pardon if I've gotten the wrong end of the stick here, but wont this help West/Zampella?
The whole reason for the suit against Activision was about the royalties West/Zampella and the rest of IW were owed. Now Activision is publicly saying that those who jump ship, wont get the money they were originally being sued over in the first place?
The whole reason for the suit against Activision was about the royalties West/Zampella and the rest of IW were owed. Now Activision is publicly saying that those who jump ship, wont get the money they were originally being sued over in the first place?
I love how Dan Amrich's quote came from a Facebook post he made in a discussion topic in the "Gamers against Kotick and Activision" group.
Little silly to publicly announce it, but hey, go Activision. My distaste for West/Zampella breaching their own duties to Activision goes beyond any irrational twenty-something "damn the man" mentality that I may have from time to time.
... I really don't get why people are surprised by this. It happens in business all the time. A bunch of brokers leave a major brokerage to set up an independent shop - slap fight and legal issues. An actor/actress leaves a production over a disagreement with the director/producer - slap fight and legal issues.
Even in my own career I was with an HR outsourcing firm and we lost 3 high level employees to a competitive firm (all at the same time in a group migration)... yeah, slap fight and legal issues... and quarreling over bonus payments.
This is normal business... it's just being played out under a media lense.
Even in my own career I was with an HR outsourcing firm and we lost 3 high level employees to a competitive firm (all at the same time in a group migration)... yeah, slap fight and legal issues... and quarreling over bonus payments.
This is normal business... it's just being played out under a media lense.
This is what happens when the gaming community is dwarfed by shareholders. And Kotick? He's like the pope: guilty of it all, but avoiding the responsibility. I've been saying for a while now to boycott Activision. Good going ArticFox. Who needs Blur when Split/Second is coming? Singularity? Looks alright but the gunplay of Raven's last effort felt so last-gen. Besides, Singularity's hook was used in Time Shift and we all know how that went. Activision needs some major retooling before I buy from them again....DOWN WITH KOTICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is what happens when the gaming community is dwarfed by shareholders. And Kotick? He's like the pope: guilty of it all, but avoiding the responsibility. I've been saying for a while now to boycott Activision. Good going ArticFox. Who needs Blur when Split/Second is coming? Singularity? Looks alright but the gunplay of Raven's last effort felt so last-gen. Besides, Singularity's hook was used in Time Shift and we all know how that went. Activision needs some major retooling before I buy from them again....DOWN WITH KOTICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is not a good thing.
Did it not occur to anyone that if West/Zampella win the lawsuit, Activision is going to try and take all that redistributed money back? That's EXACTLY something those jackbooted goose stepping funny mustached f***heads would do.
Yeah. I went there.
I stopped buying Activision games new after the Brutal Legend lawsuit. Thanks for giving me more reasons to stick with that boys! Bet Gamestop just loves you for it.
Did it not occur to anyone that if West/Zampella win the lawsuit, Activision is going to try and take all that redistributed money back? That's EXACTLY something those jackbooted goose stepping funny mustached f***heads would do.
Yeah. I went there.
I stopped buying Activision games new after the Brutal Legend lawsuit. Thanks for giving me more reasons to stick with that boys! Bet Gamestop just loves you for it.
This is getting pretty old, activison is the hitler of video games. After they get this bonus everyone from iw will get up and leave. That would be funny
@Corduroy Turtle
Even activision wouldn't fuck with Blizzard. They have brought in way more money than Infinity Ward, plus their fans would cause insane backlash in a similar vein to Muslims and South Park. Death threats along with attempts to Activision CEO's and such I'm sure.
Even activision wouldn't fuck with Blizzard. They have brought in way more money than Infinity Ward, plus their fans would cause insane backlash in a similar vein to Muslims and South Park. Death threats along with attempts to Activision CEO's and such I'm sure.
^ It's like they said "What do humans do? Smiling... Yeah, that'll add that human touch and make us COOL and RAD!"
So when you make the game and it's successful and you are then fired, you don't get the bonus huh? Serves them right that IW is essentially dead.
Fuck this loyalty to the iw guys...if they were doing unethical shit they don't get what was stated in their contract. End of story. Do any of you people think activisin deliberately wanted to pose them? Heads out of asses my friends.
SO they not only admitted to what West/Zampella are charging them for, they act like little bitches and try to spit in the two's faces? I'm buying used Activision games from now on. I hate Gamestop but I would rather give my money to them than a bunch of arrogant pricks.
So according to Activision, it's acceptable to not give compensation earned former employees to said former employees. Thanks for clearing that up.
Bloody hell! Any more dirty laundry you feel like airing Activision?
"Vince and Jason had large executive bathrooms. We're opening them up so that all the IW employees will now get you use them! ;-) We have to get some professional cleaners loose on them first though because they smell! Poo-ey! O_o Lots of Love Dam."
"Vince and Jason had large executive bathrooms. We're opening them up so that all the IW employees will now get you use them! ;-) We have to get some professional cleaners loose on them first though because they smell! Poo-ey! O_o Lots of Love Dam."
Before anyone bitches about Act, know this is in their right and it's better than them keeping the money in some bank vault. The bonus money was the devs only under their work contract that they were breached.
Conversely, the writer of the article is a known pillar of even handedness and maturity. A voice of reason among the shrieking of madmen.
Pot calling the kettle black doesn't really resonate all that much.
Pot calling the kettle black doesn't really resonate all that much.
I thought Activision said they'd already paid the company the bonus and that Zampella / West had taken "the majority" of the cut for themselves before splitting?
So basically they have just admitted they owe West and Zampella money.
I wonder how that's going to go over with the legal team?
I wonder how that's going to go over with the legal team?
It's fine to DO that with the bonus cash, but to announce it is a creepy, absurd, pandering scheming attempt at manufacturing some decent PR. No boys this doesn't make you the good guys. Sorry.
What a bunch of fucking degenerates. They lower the evolutionary bar for all of us quite a few notches.
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try looking at this form Activisions side. What if West/Zampella truly was trying to make the jump and take the cod/MW brand with them over to EA. I'm not saying this is the case, just saying that we don't know. If that was what they were trying it would be a huge breach on the contract with Activision. And to make it even worse apparently they were corresponding with EA from the place they work on computers owned by Activision. It all sounds pretty stupid, but people will do much to get there hands on more money. And I don't think West/Zampella are better than the next guy.
This could also explain the huge lag of support for MW2 post lunch. If they have been planing on moving out for a while then why would they support a game that is owned by Activision.
try looking at this form Activisions side. What if West/Zampella truly was trying to make the jump and take the cod/MW brand with them over to EA. I'm not saying this is the case, just saying that we don't know. If that was what they were trying it would be a huge breach on the contract with Activision. And to make it even worse apparently they were corresponding with EA from the place they work on computers owned by Activision. It all sounds pretty stupid, but people will do much to get there hands on more money. And I don't think West/Zampella are better than the next guy.
This could also explain the huge lag of support for MW2 post lunch. If they have been planing on moving out for a while then why would they support a game that is owned by Activision.
I just don't see this actually happening while the possiblity that they may be FORCED to pay up to the former employees (via some pretty strict California Employment codes) DESPITE the contact standing via the lawsuit. I'm pretty sure the guy is lying (as his mouth is moving and sounds are being produced).
Is that a typo? If the guy is the same Dan Amrich formerly of OXM, then he is a fucking douchebag and it's not unlike him to open his mouth and shit spews out. Fuck Dan Amrich, Activision.
@Zerocoffee101
Then why are people other than Zampella and West leaving IW AND leaving money on the table? Sure there may be a grain of truth to the "insubordination" of the two heads, but that doesn't explain why a bunch of others have just upped and left IF the two were causing problems for the studio.
Then why are people other than Zampella and West leaving IW AND leaving money on the table? Sure there may be a grain of truth to the "insubordination" of the two heads, but that doesn't explain why a bunch of others have just upped and left IF the two were causing problems for the studio.
@MRBoune
of course I know nothing, and this is purely speculations. But I am in no way saying that Zampella and West were causing trouble for IW. I think that they are very talented and that their starff were/are loyal to them. this might just as well be IW as a whole that were agreeing on making the shift, or maby just the top imployes(those that have left IW) again I know nothing, but do give the podcast a listen if you are interested.
of course I know nothing, and this is purely speculations. But I am in no way saying that Zampella and West were causing trouble for IW. I think that they are very talented and that their starff were/are loyal to them. this might just as well be IW as a whole that were agreeing on making the shift, or maby just the top imployes(those that have left IW) again I know nothing, but do give the podcast a listen if you are interested.
They weren't royalties, they were bonuses!! Those silly ex-IWers thinking they deserve a part of the profits of something they crated.
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