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Activision apathetic to Modern Warfare 2 PC concerns photo

Infinity Ward has been shielding itself from a torrent of hatred courtesy of upset PC gamers. The decision to not to support dedicated servers, along with a mass of other issues, has meant that Modern Warfare 2 is unwelcome in the home of many a computer game fan. Activision has largely kept quiet on the whole situation, but recently confirmed that it's not really bothered by the situation.

"We're, of course, watching this very carefully and paying attention to it," explains Activision's Mike Griffiths. "But we're not overly concerned about it. One of the problems with our PC SKUs in the past is that it has not been as friendly a consumer experience in terms of matchmaking and online play as the consoles have allowed it to be.

"Our solution here improves that consumer experience overall by a significant margin. And so we we think that the benefits we will see are going to far outweigh any negatives that seem to be surfacing."

Infinity Ward and Activision are convinced that the lack of dedicated servers is for the consumer's own benefit, but the reaction of those very same consumers seem to indicate otherwise. With id Software also claiming that dedicated servers are unlikely for RAGE, it looks like this is a situation that may crop up more and more regularly.

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Shirley Temple's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 17:25
Shirley Temple
Nice pic. A great game made by a dying publisher (Borderlands) vs. a shit game made by a mammoth company. Funny how that works.
NubPhiSh's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 17:30
NubPhiSh
lol @ shirley i take it your a pc gamer... md2 will rock, no dedi sucks but wont stop me from enjoying one of the best shooters of the year
Shadowiii's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 17:32
Shadowiii
Jim, if you drew that header pic, I am in complete and utter awe at your MSPaint skills.
Seriously, that picture is BRILLIANT.
Also, MW2 can suck it.
Infneon's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 17:33
Infneon
Surprised the whole "no private/party chat" rules aren't coming up more in the shit-canning of MW2. Me and my brother usually sit in a private channel and "just talk", nothing tactical, no cheating, just talk as we live on opposite ends of the country. I wonder how long it will take for us to get some form of abuse doing that in the game channel
dj-anon's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 17:37
dj-anon
Brilliant header.

About Activision... I'll be missing MW2, so what.
RoboLeader's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 17:38
RoboLeader
@Infneon That would be because that is an issue specific to the XBox 360. Most of the anger is coming from the PC customers, or, in my opinion, the players that WOULD be customers if IW didn't stir up a beehive with this.
bustaballs's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 17:38
bustaballs
MW2 is a console rental. I have no interest in a downgraded console port that should have been much more. All I ever heard on CoD:MW 360 version was a bunch of 12 year olds cursing and the game, while fun, wasn't anything impressive or groundbreaking.

If games like Doom and Rise of the Triad can easily outbeat a game in features then I hope sales will reflect that.
Doos's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 17:39
Doos
Integrating a more 'streamlined' service like Live or the PSN to the PC is just the next logical step to monitoring peoples play styles, spending habits etc. and utilizing that knowledge to gain more money from ya'll.

It's going to happen.. here it is.
psycho terror2's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 17:44
psycho terror2
amazing. activision act as if they really don't see a difference between PC players and console players. i didn't painstakingly build a PC from scratch because i want a "friendly consumer experience". i want options and customizations and control.
otikik's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 17:44
otikik
"it looks like this is a situation that may crop up more and more regularly"

I bet that if no one pays for those games, we will not see this happening very often.
Longrat's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 17:45
Longrat
Looks like the PC gaming library will be divided into 2 main groups:
Indie / Idealistic / Valve developers
Shit developers

So yeah, IW can go suck a penis popsickle!
eduh's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 17:45
eduh
BULLSHIT.

they dont need to disable dedicated servers and mods to offer a console like experience. both things can coexist.

activision please, we are not that fucking dumb.
dj-anon's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 17:46
dj-anon
Doos: The problem with PC is that it downgrades the experience.
TheDirtyHobo's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 17:50
TheDirtyHobo
Don't worry, PC gamers, even though there are no dedicated servers, there are still plenty of features that are exclusive to your wonderful machines! For example, there is mouse support, in-game text chat, and adjustable graphics!
testmunky's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 17:52
testmunky
They don't need to worry because the PC audience is incredibly small compared to the consoles. MW2 is going to bring in a ton of money regardless of any controversies on the PC.
Professor Pew's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 17:54
Professor Pew
And so the common people have caught up to the early tech nerds as a target audience. I guess we had this coming for a while :(
WastelandTraveler's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 17:54
WastelandTraveler
i'll just leave this here ...
Doos's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 18:00
Doos
Dj-anon:

That's not their concern any more. They know the game is going to sell like hot cakes.. it's guaranteed. Now they want to make sure they can monitor all of us suckers so that they can better find out how to make money off of us again and again.

At least that's the way it seems to me..

Even John 'The nerdiest super geek I've ever seen' Carmack is looking into the system... Who woulda thunk it?
Scox's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 18:01
Scox
I just can't believe that the PC gamers are such whiny little bitches, IW has carefully plotted out the best way to deliver the best multi-player experience. So all I have to say to the PC gamers is if you don't like it don't buy it and stop bitching. and you may want to get some hand on experience or at least check out a full review after the game releases because it would be a damn shame to call it a "shit game" and make yourself look like an idiot
Ruben Hanssen's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 18:02
Ruben Hanssen
I love the header image!
Activision will need to clear up their act before I give them any of my money.
Their products are not so good that I will put up with things like these.
But if this becomes the new industry standard? T_T
eduh's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 18:08
eduh
@scox, if you dont know what your talking about, dont talk at all.

knowing that there are no mods or dedicated servers is enough to know that the competitive scene will be a joke compared to mw1.
Longrat's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 18:10
Longrat
Gaming sites are divided into 2 people:
PC gamers who like their old traditional gaming methods
Console gamers who like their new gaming methods

And in most cases, the console gamers have a severe case of inferiority complexes which result in them saying LOL PC MASTER RACE FINALLY GETS WHAT IT DESERVES XDDD!!!!!!

Seriously just back off console gamers.
alupiniii's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 18:10
alupiniii
Is anyone troubled by the fact that "nonplussed" seems to be used here incorrectly? Nonplussed means very confused, not untroubled. I'm, well, nonplussed.
NubPhiSh's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 18:11
NubPhiSh
for all u hinting that piracy is gonna teach activision a lesson LOOOOL you guys acount for less then 15% of the market if all of you pirate or just boycott the game the only lesson they will get is pc gaming is dead
dj-anon's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 18:12
dj-anon
Doos: I know, we will only have MMOs and The Sims, along with the free flash games, that's the future of "pc gaming".

Scox: This does not concern you.
Jonathan Beck's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 18:25
Jonathan Beck
"One of the problems with our PC SKUs in the past is that it has not been as friendly a consumer experience in terms of matchmaking and online play as the consoles have allowed it to be."

Yeah, nothing like that experience on Xbox Live where you have no control over what game you actually join, and get to listen to insufferable racist, homophobic 12 year olds and the other dregs of filth that populate the majority of Xbox Live. New flash activision, real gamers want control over the games they play, we don't need you to hold our hands and find our matches for us.
bustaballs's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 18:27
bustaballs
NubPhiSh: And thank god dumbasses like you only count for .000000000001% of the gaming market.
Speedknight's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 18:30
Speedknight
@alupiniii - I just read through all the comments to make sure I didn't make a redundant post about it.

Maybe the British English definition is different…

I mean, uh... Grrr! Strongly worded fanboy chatter! Rrrgh.
alupiniii's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 18:33
alupiniii
The root is French, so perhaps longtime English animosity with the French leaks through in his redefinition of the word....more fanboyism, then.
Arianol's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 18:36
Arianol
Taking away a smoker's little box o' cancer isn't going to cure their habit. It's just going to piss them off. Likewise, Activision and Infinity Ward may think it's for the better, but let's just see what the sales say when nobody buys MW2 for the computer.

Evil publisher Activision always toyed around with their PC market in the Call of Duty franchise, what with CoD3 not even being released on the franchise's biggest platform. Well guess what? "Casual" gamers don't play computer games. Nobody goes out and builds an expensive gaming rig by accident. PC gamers know what they're getting into, and they are more than capable of understanding a simple server list.

I'll be picking up MW2 for the PS3, thank you very much.
NubPhiSh's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 18:37
NubPhiSh
lol bustaballs emo much? so lemme get this str8 your feel a need to insult me because i am not boycotting or stealing the game?
BattyAdroit's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 18:45
BattyAdroit
The use of "nonplussed" in the title of the article leaves me nonplussed as well. The quotes don't show a great deal of confusion among the developers.

It's just a small fix, no big deal.
Luigi takes over's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 18:47
Luigi takes over
This is the best header image of any destructoid article EVER. Its my wallpaper
Anastu's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 18:49
Anastu
I cannot believe I'm saying this, but if developers continue the trend that Activision is trying to set, it may cause another crash in the game industry. I hope it happens. We need a fresh start.
WastelandTraveler's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 18:54
WastelandTraveler
@Anastu - I fucking salute you sir for seeing this highly possible effect from this trend as well. Very very little seem to be raising this issue.
Scox's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 18:57
Scox
I think everyone missed my point before, A person can not judge whether the will like a game and everything it offers (or limits) or not until they have first hand experience. So I am calling all the PC gamers whiny bitches because it is only the PC gamers doing the whining and the bitching before they know what their experience with the game will be. and a few reactions to my last post just makes the whiny bitch statement seem all to true.
RIMoonlight's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 19:05
RIMoonlight
QUICK LET'S SEE HOW FAST WE CAN GENERALIZE A GROUP OF PEOPLE BASED ON THEIR PLATFORM PREFERENCES. GOGOGOGO
hpv's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 19:05
hpv
Best-header-image-evar!
testmunky's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 19:09
testmunky
@Scox
We may not know how MW2 and IWNet will be until we can play it but based on experience with previous games that have used matchmaking there's cause for concern and skepticism. Add in the list of features we know are getting removed and things we are hearing about game performance and it doesn't paint a pretty picture.
Jonathan Beck's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 19:10
Jonathan Beck
@ RIMoonlight

PC Gamers are whiny snobs who expect everything for nothing

Console gamers are fucking worthless.

DONE!
ChronosWing's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 19:20
ChronosWing
@NubPhiSh

Anyone who spells straight "str8" deserves to not have their opinion taken seriously.
Laurence Silva's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 19:24
Laurence Silva
@Jonathan Beck

perfect EVERYONE is bad...there done.

I'm still looking forward to the game.
Haizeus's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 19:24
Haizeus
Best header ever fucking ever.
Foamysking's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 19:40
Foamysking
the question is if mw2 on the pc bombs will they just stop making a pc version or will they learn that we are upset and refuse to buy a gimped game
KingSigy's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 19:44
KingSigy
I wonder why they're not scared. I mean, they only make 500 bazillion dollars a year on Guitar Hero products. It's not like one failure would hurt them.
Gten's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 19:54
Gten
I LOL so much at this whole mess.
this is how its gonna go,
•the game will be released like diarrhea on the PC.
•95% of PC users are gonna torrent it
•some random coder is gonna make a dedicated server that doesn't require serial number
there u gonna have it... 64 players in a server.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 20:55
Jim Sterling
Nonplussed. Brainfarts ftw! Thanks for steering me right, guys! <3
Black Nexus's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 21:00
Black Nexus
that is the greatest header in existance.
Korolev's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 21:14
Korolev
"I just can't believe that the PC gamers are such whiny little bitches, IW has carefully plotted out the best way to deliver the best multi-player experience"

Oh my stars. That comment is pure silliness.

Listen:

IF. YOU. WANT. TO. PLAY. IT. AS. THE. DEVELOPERS. INTENDED. IT. YOU. CAN. REGARDLESS. OF. MODS. AND. DEDICATED. SERVERS.

You ALWAYS could play COD4 the way the developers intended it! THAT IS WHAT FILTERS ARE FOR! I assume you have probably never played a good multiplayer PC game, probably due to a lack of money, but I have, and I can tell you that "delivering the best experience" is not IW or Activision's goal here. Having the ability to alter the game or play on 18+ servers, or you know, play against people who aren't lagging like hell, does not prevent anyone from playing "as it is originally intended".

The only reason why they are doing this is due to sheer laziness. They can't be assed making it different. I can respect that, I'm a lazy bastard myself, and who knows the game might not suffer too much from it. It could still be fun. Plus, this is IW's game and they have a right to do whatever the hell they want with it. They aren't making you buy it you know.

But I don't like lies. If IW came out and said "due to laziness, we have just ported over the console version to the PC and have done has little work on it as possible due to the fact that consoles are our primary focus", I would have shrugged my shoulders and said okay. If they had told us IN ADVANCE about the 18+ player thing, I would have shrugged my shoulders and bought it when the price came down. If they hadn't been sneaky and tried to slip this under the radar and make up bad excuses for their laziness when it came to the PC version (again, nothing wrong with that, it's their game and their money, and I'm a lazy bastard myself), then I wouldn't mind so much.

But they are being sneaky, releasing this bad news close to the release date, when many have already pre-ordered/pre-purchased it. They also jacked up the price, despite including LESS CONTENT (again, there's nothing morally or legally wrong with that, it's their game they get to decide what to put into it). And they are lying. Their goal is not to "provide the best experience". How could taking stuff out possibly provide the best experience? They are just being lazy. They can't be bothered putting in dedicated servers, or allowing for mods or console use or the rest of the stuff because they are being lazy.
matrixdude171's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/06/2009 21:24
matrixdude171
They're just pooed that MW had a ton of piracy.
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