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9/11 Space Invaders creator says the American reaction was

By now you may have heard word of the game Space Invaders 9/11 shown at last week's Leipzig Games Conference, or perhaps you read our Destructoid Discusses! on the subject. It's definitely the type of thing that's difficult to ignore, although some gamers likely thought the creator was a dick (or alternately, thought nothing at all) and went on with their lives.

In the meantime, the artist Douglas Edric Stanley has pulled the exhibit, making it clear on his personal blog that he disapproves of the way people reacted:

"While I take full responsibility for the uncomfortable ambiguity of certain aspects of this work, it was never created to merely provoke controversy for controversy’s sake, and unfortunately, this is what the piece has now become... The American response to this work has been, frankly, immature, and lacking the sophistication and consideration that other parts of the world have so far shown the work...

Contrary to previous reports, I am an American, and it saddens me that we as a people remain so profoundly unable to process this event outside of some obscure, but tacitly understood, criteria of purely anesthetized artistic representation."

It's genuinely hard to know where to begin to address that statement, so I'll keep it simple: how can you expect Americans, not to mention any people at all, to react well to a game that mixes pop culture and national tragedy? Gameplay merits aside, people feel emotion before logic when it comes to sensitive subject matter -- unfortunately, that's the price of working with such topics. I'm not sure what Stanley expected, but it's hardly surprising, at any rate,

Were you offended by the game, or did you think it wasn't given a fair chance? If the topic of 9/11 can be explored in film form, is it fair that it be explored in game form as well?

[Via GamePolitics -- Thanks, Joe]


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TheDreadHawk's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/25/2008 18:39
TheDreadHawk
Ya know, Heretic, you really shouldn't say anything about "BAWWWWING" you do it an awful lot, even if it is sarcastic.

Anyway, he's a douche, AMERICA FUCK YEAH, whatever.
TheDreadHawk's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/25/2008 18:41
TheDreadHawk
Btw, where's my controversial video game art about The Ladder to Heaven?!
John B's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/25/2008 18:54
John B
Let's see... Take America's most devastating national tragedy in the past 50 years, and poke fun at it through a video game, then claim innocence at how it would cause controversy. This guy is apparently the Uwe Boll of video games.

I heard that his next game involves gassing and burning as many Jews as you can in a Nazi concentration camp while fighting off the Allied forces. His response will probably be "I don't understand why Israel is so upset! Geez, they're so immature! I wasn't trying to stir any controversy with this game either!"

What can one say when "Fuck you" isn't enough?
savagesaladin's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/25/2008 19:10
savagesaladin
Fuck you, hows that for maturity? How bout I make a Space Invaders game of your face?

AMERICA! FUCK YA!
Capn Birdseye's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/25/2008 19:13
Capn Birdseye
I don't see the difference between this and the myriad of other conflicts that are represented in any form of media, games included.

It doesn't appear to make light of the event, nor does it ridicule the survivors. Granted, I am not American, but I don't understand what's so offensive about it.
savagesaladin's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/25/2008 19:16
savagesaladin
Oh yeah, I actually wasn't offended be his "art". It was his reaction to everybody's reaction that pissed me off. His art was fucking stupid. No better that pictures of soup cans or shriveled penises at the Liberal Arts Museum in Chicago (don't go to that place).

9/11 Invaders! = Soup Cans.
John B's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/25/2008 19:54
John B
"Granted, I am not American, but I don't understand what's so offensive about it."

Then, frankly, it would be impossible for us to explain it to you.
catsithx's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/25/2008 20:02
catsithx
Hey he wanted to get people to see his art and now they will. Thats how some people are when they want attention badly enough. Most people are right though he is a douche bag.
DryvBy's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/25/2008 20:04
DryvBy
That's a sweet looking game. XBLA?
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/25/2008 20:07
pedrovay2003
Absolutely anything 9/11-related is meant to be nothing but controversial now. His mouth opens up, and bullshit pours out.
rodjoh's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/25/2008 20:09
rodjoh
Well I just want to know who allowed the thing to be on display to begin with?
RJG's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/25/2008 20:44
RJG
I wasn't offended in any way. Then again, I'm not American, so I guess I don't have any emotional investment in the tragedy.

That said, I believe anything is up for comment. Everything should be fodder for comedy and satire, as long as it's done well. The only jokes that should be outlawed should be bad jokes told poorly, in my opinion, and as far as videogames like this go, I'm fine with them, whatever issue they're dealing with, as long as they're done well.

I haven't played it, so I can't say whether it's any good or not, so once again my opinion doesn't count for much.
wickdswagger's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/25/2008 20:54
wickdswagger
Pop culture does this sort of thing all the time. Why not make a video game about 9/11? Why not make a video game about columbine? (as someone did). We have games depicting every scene of blood and gore and we never flinch. But as soon as it becomes "personal" we get our panties in a bunch. I say this guy had balls and that should be applauded. Lets make games personal. Especially if we want to be taken seriously as an art. But personally, I'm tired of hearing about 9/11 and all the bullsh*t that followed. If we crucify this guy, then why the hell haven't we crucified ever country singer for exploiting this event as well. Now that's truly horrible.
Capn Birdseye's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/25/2008 21:16
Capn Birdseye
@ John B - that's pretty elitist, dont you think? I think the tragedy is pretty evident. It's not some obscure racial urging or something, its pretty obvious why people are upset over the incident.

Saying "you wouldn't understand" isn't really an answer as to why this is any more offensive than any other media depiction of a tragic event though, apart from the fact that it may involve you directly, I have no idea.

It is just a depiction of events under artistic representation, however shitty. I would understand your reaction if it was glorifying or ridiculing the act, but its just nothing. I have seen a million crappy pictures, collectible plates, and figurines showing eagles, insipid country music, and the towers crashing down, yet no one seems to be offended at those.

How is this any different? I am not trying to be offensive, I am just hoping to either understand something that I may not necessarily be aware of, or perhaps make those offended analyse their own opinions more carefully. After all, isn't the US all about freedom? Why are you trying to censor this guy?
Paroxysm's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/25/2008 21:27
Paroxysm
AlucardX24: "I think the guy himself is very immature. You shouldn't make a joke like this, no matter how long it's been"

John B: "Let's see... Take America's most devastating national tragedy in the past 50 years, and poke fun at it through a video game"

Umm what joke? What poking fun? What the hell are you guys getting upset about when you obviously don't even know what the god damn piece even was!?
Bus's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/25/2008 21:48
Bus
@savagesaladin
Holy crap, trashing Andy Warhol's Campbell's soup cans? You fail at art appreciation 101. It's only one of the most iconic, celebrated, and influential pieces of art in history. You can say you don't like it. That's just expressing an opinion. It's not even meant to be liked but to say it's "fucking stupid" is perhaps the most intellectually bankrupt ever posted on this website.

I really don't understand why everyone automatically jumps to the conclusion that this guy snickered his way on to the stage, threw the curtain open on the game, and said "Look, isn't 9/11 just wacky fun?" I thought his meanings were obvious. The game shows the unchanging nature of the past (the Twin Towers can never be saved in the game just like we can never forget what happened which the game certainly proved in one way) and the futility of using violent force to confront the threat of terrorism, which will remain a viable means of forcing change until we, the people, cease to care about our loved ones dying (the waves of terrorist "aliens" keep coming despite the player's best efforts, there is no respite from the enemy's successful strategy).
Bacchus's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/25/2008 21:48
Bacchus
the most mature thing i have to say to this douche is

FUCK YOU!
Capn Birdseye's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/25/2008 22:22
Capn Birdseye
.... yeah, what Bus said ;)
The-Excel's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/25/2008 23:24
The-Excel
Sure you can make a statement like this, but why?
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/25/2008 23:39
Tubatic
@The-Excel

And as any good art musing/discussion would have it: If you can make a statement like this, why not?

Sometimes, the crude immediate response is the best way to express a feeling. For example, Kanye's "George Bush doesn't care about black people" statement, while impulsive, rude, unprofessional, lacking composure and altogether disrespectful to his fellow . . .artists on hand, expressed a statement of pure emotion that was worth saying. Its a youtube blurb at this point, but that kneejerk statement kinda resonated with a few people happens to standout, for me, as a key part of my memory of that tragedy.

And now, having used Kanye West in a comment about art, I have to go take a shower. Sorry.
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2008 03:46
Timmeh
lol, bunch of butt hurt, whinging morons. Bawww you can't talk about 9/11 or you'll hurt my feewings.

It's fine for an 'art game' to address more abstract or less controversial topics but when someone tries to make something more relevant you all start bitching about it and I bet the majority of you a) haven't even looked at it and judged it fairly for yourself and b) have no reason for your indignation other than because it's the done thing.

It's fine however to shoot/blow up/incinerate Iraqis, Afghans, Germans, the Japanese or whoever all day long when there is almost no purpose to the game other than entertainment. What about the feelings of those peoples' families, friends? Don't give a shit about them do you? But god forbid someone try to make a statement about something to do with America.
Raymod's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2008 03:56
Raymod
This guy clearly wanted the attention just like creator of the painting of Myra Hindley made up of children's hand prints that is once again stirring up controversy here in the UK,
I'm in no way upset by the 9/11 space invaders, my only reaction was "Why bother?" but I've already answered this question at the beginning of my comment.
Maybe he should have done to get attention was make Space Invaders: World Atrocities, featuring similar historic events from around the world, then he would have the attention of the whole world, and maybe some people might not have been as upset by it because he's doing similar things from other countries.
What i feel he should have done is Video Game Space Invaders,
where the space invaders make up iconic imagery from various video games.
BUT! that wouldn't draw much attention, and i feel that's a shame that you need to offend people before you can get recognition for anything.
mistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2008 05:04
mistic
Personally, I don't see a problem with it. I don't understand why people get so up in arms about this sort of thing

QFT
Cubilone's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2008 06:37
Cubilone
We don't need to go as far back as WWII. There are recent games depicting the Vietnam War (which was a fiasco for America, whatever the US media might want anyone to believe. How many people actually know that the US lost the war?) and both wars in Iraq. Thousands of American soldiers lost their lives in the last war as well. But people aren't as sensitive to this sort of thing.

I always wonder. How do german players actually feel when they play WWII games and they kill their own grandfathers? And I don't wanna hear anything about Nazi bullshit. The regime has nothing to do with the people. Remember, if anyone tried to oppose fascism (or deny their loyalty to the nation and Hitlet etc) in Nazi Germany they'd be executed or worse... Same as in a lot of countries (including US) today. Anyone that might even suggest that 9/11 was actually an inside job, implying that the US GW Bush government is anything but a keeper of peace and security, is automatically a "loon" and a "conspiracy theorist", with any implications this might hold.

I understand 9/11 was a heavy hit for many people, especially for American citizens. But people have to get over it all and smell what's happening in the rest of the world for a second. Even get a sense of history. Then maybe they'll understand why all this isn't all such a big deal. Maybe this guy indeed has balls, maybe he's just trying to get across the same message as I am. But being controversial for controversy's sake usually doesn't work as intended.
Volomon's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2008 08:58
Volomon
I think the game is a slippery slope I mean if this guy thinks death can be satirical or just enjoyed what about rape?
heretrix's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2008 09:17
heretrix
To the people who asked if making games about war is just as crass as this art exhibit- No.

A large scale fight and large scale murder are two completely different things.
Brilliam's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2008 09:24
Brilliam
Honestly, I'd have given this a chance if the only part of the artist's statement that I had heard didn't make it apparent that he was bullshit.

Seriously, Douglas Stanley? I know people on international art faculties and they haven't heard of this guy. He's irrelevant and should quit pretending he is.
ShadowKirby's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2008 10:47
ShadowKirby
To the people comparing this to WWII games I'd like to say that during WWII everyone had a chance, they all had guns. Of course, civilians and jews did not but then again you don't see that part in games. Cause God knows if a game had you shoot civils or put jews in a gaz chamber the peoples would be up in harms.

The people in the two towers did not have fair chances against two freaking planes! It'sd all a bout respect for the innocent victims.
ChaosInTheSnow's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2008 11:29
ChaosInTheSnow
I love how lots of people jump in with the idea that WWII games are okay cos you're killing nazis. What about COD 4? A good portion of it is based on the Iraq war, an ongoing war, not something that happened 7 years ago, in which American forces have killed a lot more civilians than were killed in the twin towers. But it's awesome. I mean who cares about sensitivity towards places like Iraq? I honestly don't have an opinion on the exhibition. I only have an opinion on the responses it generated and in general they're a poor reflection on America. So feel free to jump in and call me a douche or an asshole and further my point.
xe-cute's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2008 11:32
xe-cute
I think we are all missing a simple point here......



IF THE GAME SUCKS THAN WE CAN TAKE OFFENCE! (Seriously, then you can jump up and down and cry)

IF IT IS GOOD THEN APRECIATE IT FOR WHAT IT IS (A GOOD GAME)!
heretrix's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/26/2008 12:14
heretrix
@Chaosinthesnow:

Don't be a dumbass. Seriously.

In COD 4 or any other game like it you aren't murdering innocent civilians. It is a military conflict against people who have guns just like you. It isn't people sitting in their goddamn office at work with no chance at all because some maniac decided to fly a goddamn jet airliner filled with people into the World Trade Center.

Now someone thought it would be cool to make a game out of that and call it art. Give me a fucking break.

I would never say that he doesn't have a right to do it, he certainly should have that right. But it doesn't make it any less tasteless than it is.
ChaosInTheSnow's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/27/2008 10:34
ChaosInTheSnow
@heretrix:

I'm not trying to be a dumbass. You're being a little naive if you think that not being able to shoot civilians in COD 4 somehow means that it wouldn't upset people who've lost their families in the Iraq war. It still takes the setting and then brushes the civilian killing under the carpet. Do you think if you lived in Iraq and you had lost your brother or your mum as a civilian casualty, that you'd look at COD 4 and not be the least bit offended? That you'd just sit there and think to yourself "It's okay that they enjoy playing the game, I mean they can't kill virtual civilians in it". Seriously, I'm not going to resort to calling you a dumb ass. You responded that way because you think that by calling me a dumb ass you're in some way winning an argument. I'm not here to win an argument, I just want to make a point that I feel is overlooked and I'm happy to discuss it.
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