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I wasn't offended, but I was upset with how the "artist" wanted attention.
This was a game he made in 2001 when the tragedy happened. He received no attention because it was obviously crude.
With the anniversary of the game, he thought it would be a good time and desperately try to get the attention he wanted.
He got it. I think he's a dick.
This was a game he made in 2001 when the tragedy happened. He received no attention because it was obviously crude.
With the anniversary of the game, he thought it would be a good time and desperately try to get the attention he wanted.
He got it. I think he's a dick.
In order for games to grow as a medium, difficult subjects must be explored in an interesting and thought provoking way. I'm not sure that this game does that completely but I'm glad to see someone willing to attempt it.
Guy's an asshole. What is with these "artists" and saying we don't understand their work? We're not immature (most of us anyway), it's just this type of shit isn't artistic in any fucking way. There is no value in what he's doing, only misery.
And it's completely different from WW2 games and the like. It's just not something people want to see. WW2 had many heroic people fighting on both sides, unlike 9/11, which was just a horrible fucking day perpetrated by a bunch of extremists.
There is no beauty in that. None at all.
And it's completely different from WW2 games and the like. It's just not something people want to see. WW2 had many heroic people fighting on both sides, unlike 9/11, which was just a horrible fucking day perpetrated by a bunch of extremists.
There is no beauty in that. None at all.
While i think your point is valid, we are at the same time willing to justify games that take place in the middle east or a fictionalized Korea V Korea brawl. It's a hard line to draw between video game events seeped in foreign tragedies and those closer to home. We'll never have a CoD game glorifying the civil war, but to pretend it wouldn't be anything other than a change in character models would be lying. Maybe the creator was trying to show something greater that was lost in the reaction, i don't know.
*ahem* penis.
*ahem* penis.
Personally, I don't see a problem with it. I don't understand why people get so up in arms about this sort of thing
I'm not personally offended and I can easily understand why people would be. Sure you can argue that touchy subject matter should be artistically explored, but people are still going to be offended and the majority of people don't consider video games as art anyway. So it's even easier to see why they would think this was mocking 9/11.
Eh. not in the best taste, and the guy a bit of a pretentious dipshit. but I'm not offended by the work on a whole. What it tries to do, which is creating controversy, lets say it as it is, however is fairly effective
While it may have been offending 3 or 4 years ago. I've seen hollywood, oliver stone, the american mint and countless others dilute the gravity of the event by attempting to profit off of it.
While it may have been offending 3 or 4 years ago. I've seen hollywood, oliver stone, the american mint and countless others dilute the gravity of the event by attempting to profit off of it.
This isn't even a matter of "Too soon" It's a matter of "is it tasteful" or not...I'm not even saying he's making light of people's deaths......Fuck it, yes, he is. Turning an incident that claimed over 2000 people lives in to a video game exhibit is some crass shit.
Expecting Americans to be reasonable about something that is sensitive to them? Now who's being immature?
That said, I don't know if I really understand the point of the piece. I haven't really read anything about it other than that everyone is mad and that Tecmo is gay.
That said, I don't know if I really understand the point of the piece. I haven't really read anything about it other than that everyone is mad and that Tecmo is gay.
Does it have any artistic merit? No. Does it cause the viewer to reflect on violence, the media, the iconography of tragedy, etc.? No. Not really. Is the "artist" some wanker who wanted and got maximal attention with minimal talent and effort? Yes.
The way I see it, there is a deeper meaning to it. But because of everybody just screaming "OMG 9/11!!!!" that's all lost. Yes that day was a tragedy, but that's no reason to whack any attempt to process it in art as controvercy for controvercials sake.
"Turning an incident that claimed over 2000 people lives in to a video game exhibit is some crass shit."
You mean like every WWII game ever?
You mean like every WWII game ever?
He's an idiot. How retarded or perverted do you have to be to not see how this could possibly be controversial or inappropriate for a lot of people? I think there's certainly a time and place for creative interpretations of incidents like 9/11, but this one is just silly and serves no visible purpose other than to say, "HAY LOOK AT THIS! 9/11!"
Maybe he should offer his services to Rudy Giuliani.
Maybe he should offer his services to Rudy Giuliani.
Coming from outside this whole thing (was away from the internet for awhile... THANK YOU GOD!), I can safely say I'm not upset, just disappointed that someone thought to bring some attention to himself using the attacks, and that it's "news".
Much like how I feel with Cloverfield, whereas not as top level as destroying the towers AGAIN, it mixed shaky cam and an attack on New York city to heighten the viewer's emotions by drawing from the imagery collected during recent traumatic disasters (911).
Just bad taste. Moving on.
Much like how I feel with Cloverfield, whereas not as top level as destroying the towers AGAIN, it mixed shaky cam and an attack on New York city to heighten the viewer's emotions by drawing from the imagery collected during recent traumatic disasters (911).
Just bad taste. Moving on.
What was his message with this piece? If he's an artist and the point of this wasn't to create controversy, what was the message?
He turned a concept you'd expect to see hastily photoshopped on 4chan into a video game, called it art and acted like a pretentious dick when people reacted exactly as anyone would expect them to. This kid is either a huge idiot or just an asshole.
I was partially offended by it, mostly by him including people jumping from the building. As far as the rest goes, I don't think this guy had any real clue what he was doing, or what he was getting into. From the way the game's been described, the space invaders come down and demolish the twin towers, no matter what you do you can't stop them, and there's people jumping from the buildings.
Where the "art" in that is I have no frickin clue. And as far as those who are drawing parallels to games about the wars in the Middle East, and potential wars with other countries, I don't hear you complaining about glorifying World War II and the endless slaughter of nazis in how many games now?
Where the "art" in that is I have no frickin clue. And as far as those who are drawing parallels to games about the wars in the Middle East, and potential wars with other countries, I don't hear you complaining about glorifying World War II and the endless slaughter of nazis in how many games now?
The point is, no matter how much force you use, you can't stop the Space Invadeers (read Terrorists). You know, just like in real life. At least that's what I think.
Go ahead, destroy me.
Go ahead, destroy me.
The point is, no matter how much force you use, you can't stop the Space Invadeers (read Terrorists). You know, just like in real life. At least that's what I think.
Go ahead, destroy me.
Go ahead, destroy me.
The only way I would have had respect for him is if he kept the exhibit up despite the complaints. If feel your art has a relevant message, then you should defend it and be proud rather than taking your ball and going home. Have some stones, Douglas.
I think its time people let go of the whole 9/11 thing. Its been 7 years get over it. If he believes it was art then let him do his thing. We as Americans can be babies when it comes to things like this. Let it go.
The funny thing is he says "The American response to this work has been, frankly, immature, and lacking the sophistication and consideration that other parts of the world have so far shown the work". Would you expect the rest of the world to react the same as the US. It happened to the US (or in the US I guess). What an asinine thing to say.
Oh, and Heretic, speaking of being butt hurt, maybe you should tone it down a few notches. I love how you mentioned soldiers and even animals, but you fail to realize that the people who died in the 9/11 attacks were fathers and mothers and sons and daughters, etc, too. I agree that America's reaction immediately following it was a little strange, but you can't deny the fact that thousands of people dying needlessly is a tragedy.
Oh, and Heretic, speaking of being butt hurt, maybe you should tone it down a few notches. I love how you mentioned soldiers and even animals, but you fail to realize that the people who died in the 9/11 attacks were fathers and mothers and sons and daughters, etc, too. I agree that America's reaction immediately following it was a little strange, but you can't deny the fact that thousands of people dying needlessly is a tragedy.
This game doesn't offend me, I don't intend to play it, and we Americans are over-sensitive fatties.
If we're going to crucify one guy for using a tragedy in a game we should hold all game devs to the same criteria. No more WW2 games, no Civil War games, in fact why don't we just keep explosions and collapsing buildings out of all of our games.
Being sensitive about something no matter how tragic it is won't fix a god damn thing. And if you want this game to fail the best way not to do that is to give it attention and whine about it. Look what that did for Eminem, it made him rich. ICP too, and Marilyn Manson etc.
Before anyone jumps my case and tries to tell me I didn't have anyone close to the event, half my family lives all over New York.
If we're going to crucify one guy for using a tragedy in a game we should hold all game devs to the same criteria. No more WW2 games, no Civil War games, in fact why don't we just keep explosions and collapsing buildings out of all of our games.
Being sensitive about something no matter how tragic it is won't fix a god damn thing. And if you want this game to fail the best way not to do that is to give it attention and whine about it. Look what that did for Eminem, it made him rich. ICP too, and Marilyn Manson etc.
Before anyone jumps my case and tries to tell me I didn't have anyone close to the event, half my family lives all over New York.
He took the thing down because of legal action more than controversy. The convention it's at is also facing legal action so I'm sure they would've shut it down sooner rather than later if he started goading Tecmo as well as the public.
People do seriously need to get over 9-11. It changed everything. We get it. I'm sure that turning Iraq into a crater for no reason is a bigger event for everyone that cares, not including Americans obviously since they're still getting revenge on a hapless third party for 9-11.
People do seriously need to get over 9-11. It changed everything. We get it. I'm sure that turning Iraq into a crater for no reason is a bigger event for everyone that cares, not including Americans obviously since they're still getting revenge on a hapless third party for 9-11.
Well, in all honesty that tragedy happened like 7 years ago... people need to accept that people will still acknowledge the world trade centers.
They show up in video games, movies, etc. Personally I don't think its a big deal that they did space invaders on teh towers. People know it was a tragedy and understand it, but you can't just wipe out a part of history and say "hey the towers are off limit now" Again its been 7 years... it should be a non issue now but never forgotten..
They show up in video games, movies, etc. Personally I don't think its a big deal that they did space invaders on teh towers. People know it was a tragedy and understand it, but you can't just wipe out a part of history and say "hey the towers are off limit now" Again its been 7 years... it should be a non issue now but never forgotten..
@Attix - Oh, don't pull that reverse bullshit here. Every WWII game you've ever seen released always portrayed you as allied forces taking on the douchebags of the millinia the Nazi's.
There's a difference asshole.
There's a difference asshole.
his reaction alone pretty much another way to keep the attention on to himself. I'm not offended by it but can understand why some would be. Art of any form can be controversial and to say he didn't create it to be that is either very naive of him to say or as other's have mentioned already as utter bull. I'm all for the guy standing up for his art, but in the end HE made the decision to display it knowing it will garner some very extreme reactions from people.
It was also HE who pulled it from display because of the very same extreme reactions it got. A chickenshit for someone trying to defend his work. If you believe in your art you stick to it and don't let anyone tell you to take it down. Plus, his reaction to the extreme reaction from people shows he's more than willing to condemn an entire people without even pondering as to why some of those very people would find the display as offensive.
Only in America can we breed such people.
It was also HE who pulled it from display because of the very same extreme reactions it got. A chickenshit for someone trying to defend his work. If you believe in your art you stick to it and don't let anyone tell you to take it down. Plus, his reaction to the extreme reaction from people shows he's more than willing to condemn an entire people without even pondering as to why some of those very people would find the display as offensive.
Only in America can we breed such people.
The reaction is what makes this thing art, not the piece itself.
Good work , you gave this guy credit :)
Good work , you gave this guy credit :)
Why the uproar? What is the difference between this game and 50cent: Blood On The Sand game?
They both taking modern illegal conflict and putting there own spin on it..... yet one is so wrong and the other is alright?
They both taking modern illegal conflict and putting there own spin on it..... yet one is so wrong and the other is alright?
Yes it's not like 9/11 has been constantly exploited by profitable ventures for years. A small non commercial art installation is certainly the most distasteful and shocking usage of this event that has ever been witnessed. /sarcasm
Frankly I've found the majority of the gaming communities reaction to this issue disgusting and yes extremely immature. It is just like the arguments used against us (You can't have violence in a game! It's offensive!) and practically everyone criticising ignores the actual details of the work and the context in which it was presented. The worst thing about this artwork is that it's really just derivative of a lot of standard commentary since the attack. As an artwork it's just kind of boring really.
Frankly I've found the majority of the gaming communities reaction to this issue disgusting and yes extremely immature. It is just like the arguments used against us (You can't have violence in a game! It's offensive!) and practically everyone criticising ignores the actual details of the work and the context in which it was presented. The worst thing about this artwork is that it's really just derivative of a lot of standard commentary since the attack. As an artwork it's just kind of boring really.
First two comments say everything that needs to be said.
The only reason he made 9/11 a part of the game was to create controversy.
And if not, I'd love to hear his reasons.
The only reason he made 9/11 a part of the game was to create controversy.
And if not, I'd love to hear his reasons.
I think the guy himself is very immature. You shouldn't make a joke like this, no matter how long it's been. That's like, remaking the rape of nanjing as a starcraft map. seriously, man. wtf.
I agree with "The guy is an asshole". He is trivializing a recent disaster. It couldn't have been more obvious if he made a game for the chinese about earthquakes. Just because he isn't the only person to do it doesn't give him a free pass.
I have people close to me who were devastated by this event and I hate everyone who would approaches this with a lack of respect.
I have people close to me who were devastated by this event and I hate everyone who would approaches this with a lack of respect.
"it was never created to merely provoke controversy for controversy’s sake"
As an artist myself making, sometimes works that sometimes piss people off you have to stand behind. It's your duty as an artist show people see things how you see things. When you pull your piece you are saying "I don't like how my work interacts with the world, waaaaaah I'm gonna go hide it"
It is supposed to be discussed and give an emotion. Whether or not you think it's insensitive is left but to me I agree it was nothing more than attention, otherwise if you truly believe it, then you ride it out and saying "THIS IS ME AND HOW I VIEW THE WORLD" regardless of the medium.
As an artist myself making, sometimes works that sometimes piss people off you have to stand behind. It's your duty as an artist show people see things how you see things. When you pull your piece you are saying "I don't like how my work interacts with the world, waaaaaah I'm gonna go hide it"
It is supposed to be discussed and give an emotion. Whether or not you think it's insensitive is left but to me I agree it was nothing more than attention, otherwise if you truly believe it, then you ride it out and saying "THIS IS ME AND HOW I VIEW THE WORLD" regardless of the medium.
I don't think it was given a fair chance. We're always saying that games can be art and they can have a message, but then when one actually does, we get offended? That doesn't seem right.
I hate Euro Trash that bashes America.
Euro trash that doesn't realize too much tolerance is why their society is failing and ours is doing alrighty.
Fuck Euro trash.
Also Taito is pretty pissed about that Space invaders too and are readying something far worse than pissed off American....attorneys
Euro trash that doesn't realize too much tolerance is why their society is failing and ours is doing alrighty.
Fuck Euro trash.
Also Taito is pretty pissed about that Space invaders too and are readying something far worse than pissed off American....attorneys
The difference in a WWII game and this kind of game are 2 completly different things. I'm surprised people don't realize it. 911 was an unprovoked attack on innocent civilians. WWII, at least from an allied point of view, was repelling an invading and opressing army back to where it came from. How the hell can you compare the 2? What if someone made a holocost game that glamorized it? When you try to profit and gain attention from this type of event where innocent people were killed doesn't make you cool, or a trailblazer in satire. It makes you a complete asshole.
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