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Did this dev even make a game for the Xbox 360/PS3, and did they fully utilize the specs? If not, they can just shove their games up their arse, while I wait for the Wii U to finally come out and see just how powerful the system is.
Tune in tomorrow when another developer says that is not as powerful. Quickly followed by another saying it is.
This was pretty much a given. The real question is: how much more powerful will the PS4 and Xbox 720 be than the Wii U? I don't think it will have the same difference margin as the Wii to the PS3/X360, but who knows.
Devs: Yes its more powerful than the ps3 and 360.
Me: it should be the ps3 and 360 are over 6 years old, over powering them with new tech shouldn't be an issue, because if it is Nintendo has an entirely different problem to sort out.
The ps4 and nextbox are obviously going to be way better than their previous models so I think people are just using this as a measuring stick to determine how the Wii u will hold up to the next series of consoles.
Will it actually be a competitor this time or will it be the lowest common denominator again once the processor wars get started up?
Me: it should be the ps3 and 360 are over 6 years old, over powering them with new tech shouldn't be an issue, because if it is Nintendo has an entirely different problem to sort out.
The ps4 and nextbox are obviously going to be way better than their previous models so I think people are just using this as a measuring stick to determine how the Wii u will hold up to the next series of consoles.
Will it actually be a competitor this time or will it be the lowest common denominator again once the processor wars get started up?
That's all fine and good, but what about the things gamers really want? What about the music storage? What about the web browser? What about Netflix? What about sporting events? What about a Home-like experience? What about Blue Ray playback? What about 3D? What about mobile connectivity? What about recording television? What about popular television shows for rent and sale? What about media server capabilities? What about the ability to use the Wii U as a cable box? What about streaming music through popular services? What about direct Youtube compatibility? What about Facebook integration? What about instant Twitter access?
These are the things gamers really care about. The specs and games are whatever at this point, Nintendo needs to focus on clarifying what the real features of this thing will be.
These are the things gamers really care about. The specs and games are whatever at this point, Nintendo needs to focus on clarifying what the real features of this thing will be.
That's nice. But what about a year from it's release when it becomes readily apparent that it is not the next gen of hardware. I think Nintendo is confused as to why the wii was so successful. I would think it obvious that the reason was its appeal to people who weren't gamers, not the fact that it was out early with limited hardware. I suppose either they'll learn that lesson or I'll be proven wrong.
Guaranteed at least $300 price tag then.
The only thing keeping the sub-300 supporters going was that it might not be that powerful. There's no way Nintendo could put out a machine that's more powerful than the PS3, WITH that tablet controller, for under $300.
It WILL be $300 to $350. Count on it.
The only thing keeping the sub-300 supporters going was that it might not be that powerful. There's no way Nintendo could put out a machine that's more powerful than the PS3, WITH that tablet controller, for under $300.
It WILL be $300 to $350. Count on it.
More powerful, you say? OK, in that case....I'll do exactly what I did with the Wii. Buy it used a couple of years after it comes out, play the back catalog of the 3-5 games that are actually worth playing, and then sell it for right around what I spent on it.
And if it has some BS built in to prevent reselling of the system or games, then I'll just have to make do without.
And if it has some BS built in to prevent reselling of the system or games, then I'll just have to make do without.
yes, these guys totally make games that push the limits of hardware and are therefore authorities on the wii u's power.
"But will it be even close to competing with the PS3 and Xbox 720, from a power perspective?" Mr Andy Dixon asked.
"I drink your milkshake," Nintendo responded. "I drink it up."
"I drink your milkshake," Nintendo responded. "I drink it up."
I think this back and forth with different developers just shows how Nintendo is grossly mishandling the pre-launch of this system. Whether its authorized or not, Nintendo has developers muddying the waters about exactly what this system is capable of.
Their E3 offerings did not exactly have a flagship title that really showed the "power" of what it could do.
If they don't want to market it that way, thats fine but I hope they don't get disappointed with the consumer confusion that is being created by this.
Their E3 offerings did not exactly have a flagship title that really showed the "power" of what it could do.
If they don't want to market it that way, thats fine but I hope they don't get disappointed with the consumer confusion that is being created by this.
Once the Wii U is out, PS4 and xbox72x will copy the Wii U controller tablet streaming thing. 3rd party dev will focus on the next, more powerful, Unreal Engine 4, Sony and Micro$soft consoles. Nintendo will have to focus on making killer games. Nintendo's Fan base will be ok with that but the average person that can only afford one system and wants 3rd party games on the Wii U will be left out cold, just like the Wii and Gamecube. Most of the time, I wish that Nintendo would go Software only.
@Neoakuma
Yep. They need to pull a Sega and drop out of hardware manufacture. THEY make some great games for their systems. But no one else does. And for most people their systems from GC on (arguably starting with N64) have collected dust. Plus imagine how much more money they'd make on say a new Zelda game released on two platforms instead of one.
Yep. They need to pull a Sega and drop out of hardware manufacture. THEY make some great games for their systems. But no one else does. And for most people their systems from GC on (arguably starting with N64) have collected dust. Plus imagine how much more money they'd make on say a new Zelda game released on two platforms instead of one.
@Jim
I didn't know you reviewed Lock's Quest! It's a cool game, and now you've reminded me of it I'll need to get roudn to it on my backlog.
@Oishidesu
Yup, they made a shooter called Hybrid on Xbox Live recently. Whether it made full use of the 360's graphical capability, I dunno, but it means they at least have an idea of what tech they were working with. They could still be talking out of their arses, or the Wii-U could be incrementally more powerful. My guess is the latter.
I didn't know you reviewed Lock's Quest! It's a cool game, and now you've reminded me of it I'll need to get roudn to it on my backlog.
@Oishidesu
Yup, they made a shooter called Hybrid on Xbox Live recently. Whether it made full use of the 360's graphical capability, I dunno, but it means they at least have an idea of what tech they were working with. They could still be talking out of their arses, or the Wii-U could be incrementally more powerful. My guess is the latter.
Well, if the games can do PS3 and 360 games in addition to pushing the graphics and game to the tablet, which takes additional resources, then it's definitely more powerful than the current gen systems. Also, doesn't the WiiU do 1080p for all games?
...Is this still news? The only people who think the Wii isn't "next-gen," or not as powerful as what we have, are the people who are faboys and girls who think Nintendo is out to get them on a personal level.
But he's a DS developer with absolutely no experience of ps3/360 development. Whereas huge industry experts like Epic, makers of the unreal game engine say wiiu is weaker. Oh, and common sense.
Actually pedro, the people who know wii isn't nextgen are those who know the sole definition of it is how much processing power it has. Meaning, everyone with a clue knows wii isnt
How does one definite next-gen ? Is it simply the successor to a previous platform ?Does offering new hardware capabilities also not help define it further? Cause if so, then Wii and Wii U obviously qualify. I see no reason to question it. Pushing graphics was the most natural evolution of video games, but consoles in the past simply didn't have much else to offer because of the technical limitations and not just because of processing power and RAM.
The thing I think will work in the Wii U's favour is that it's powerful enough to be fully HD while not too powerful to afford development costs for, which I think is likely to draw a lot of third party support for developers that can't afford to make AAA budget titles. Hell, even square enix is giving up on huge budget games and blamed the costs for the shortcomings of the recent FF games.
No shit. The problem is the rumors seem to present the idea that Nintendo was *thinking* about changing that somewhere along the line to save money. Luckily they stuck with their gameplan for the Original Wii: make a system that's barely more powerful than the best of the last generation. All the developers seem to be pointing to that. Some however, like this guy, have never actually developed for PS3 or 360, so they don't actually know what the fuck they're talking about. I'd advise people to stick to some of the other quotes to more reputable people on the matter.
Regardless, it remains to be see if we'll ever actually see a Wii U game that looks better than Uncharted 3, The Last of Us, or Beyond, however. Given that, 6 years later, nothing on the Wii looks better than Riddick, the shining achievement of the Original Xbox, I highly doubt that.
Regardless, it remains to be see if we'll ever actually see a Wii U game that looks better than Uncharted 3, The Last of Us, or Beyond, however. Given that, 6 years later, nothing on the Wii looks better than Riddick, the shining achievement of the Original Xbox, I highly doubt that.
I don't think development costs are going to be that much more affordable on Wii U even in terms of acquiring third-party current-gen ports. I believe a bigger contributing factor for third-party support will depend on whether Wii U's user base ends up like Wii's again or if it has a bigger core gamer presence on the platform.
@Neo, Qreg, anyone else saying Ninty should go software only:
Never going to happen. Nintendo can afford to keep making systems to sell their games on for quite some time and I guarantee they will (barring significant management shake-ups, I suppose). Do you wanna know why? Control. If Nintendo was software-only, they'd have to develop games within the restrictions of whatever hardware is being put out. That's not how Nintendo rolls. They want to be free to come out with platforms that support their software, not design software to meet hardware specs.
Nintendo doesn't really need decent 3rd party support for their consoles, since it's the Nintendo-published titles that their core audience buys their systems for. Do I want to see more third party content on Nintendo systems? You bet. If I only buy one console per generation, it's gonna be Nintendo's, since I already have a decent computer, and I'd love to see more stuff like Xenoblade coming out for it. I'd love to see Final Fantasy return to Nintendo. More non-Nintendo-developed franchises (The Conduit didn't really do it for me, but I appreciated the effort). But if it doesn't, that's fine. As long as we're still getting quality Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Donkey Kong, Kirby, etc. titles, I've got plenty of great games available. And that's what matters.
Never going to happen. Nintendo can afford to keep making systems to sell their games on for quite some time and I guarantee they will (barring significant management shake-ups, I suppose). Do you wanna know why? Control. If Nintendo was software-only, they'd have to develop games within the restrictions of whatever hardware is being put out. That's not how Nintendo rolls. They want to be free to come out with platforms that support their software, not design software to meet hardware specs.
Nintendo doesn't really need decent 3rd party support for their consoles, since it's the Nintendo-published titles that their core audience buys their systems for. Do I want to see more third party content on Nintendo systems? You bet. If I only buy one console per generation, it's gonna be Nintendo's, since I already have a decent computer, and I'd love to see more stuff like Xenoblade coming out for it. I'd love to see Final Fantasy return to Nintendo. More non-Nintendo-developed franchises (The Conduit didn't really do it for me, but I appreciated the effort). But if it doesn't, that's fine. As long as we're still getting quality Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Donkey Kong, Kirby, etc. titles, I've got plenty of great games available. And that's what matters.
And they definitely know the power of the 360 and Ps3, having made an impressive ZERO GAMES for those systems.
@Indigo Dingo
So it makes sense to take Microsoft's opinion of the Wii U's power to heart but not one of the Wii U's developers... makes perfect sense.
So it makes sense to take Microsoft's opinion of the Wii U's power to heart but not one of the Wii U's developers... makes perfect sense.
Ha dur, developers get to know what is in the box before they begin developing for it. All you need to know about is the fucking hardware, but people on here are saying "Durr, developers that need to know how to program according to the hardware specs of the console don't know what processor or GPU is in it OR what other consoles have. So I'll make sarcastic comments about how they make lo-fi games, therefore they don't know what they are talking about."
They are already developing for the Wii U, as are other developers. Of course they know its more powerful, when they say it is, but because of the "secrecy" of new consoles, especially when it comes to Nintendo, they cannot disclose the actual specs.
They are already developing for the Wii U, as are other developers. Of course they know its more powerful, when they say it is, but because of the "secrecy" of new consoles, especially when it comes to Nintendo, they cannot disclose the actual specs.
And yet, some people are claiming 5th Cell hasn't been making a game for Xbox 360 for quite some time, called "Hybrid". It comes out August 2012. BUT THEY NEVER MADE ONE FOR THE CONSOLE YET SO THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT!
zombie U, a launch title, is better than anything ive seen on the ps3 sans 2 games.........
thats all I needed
thats all I needed
Bottom Line: Who fucking CARES?
Most of my favorite games are on systems many times less powerful than a PS3 or XBox. PS2, NDS, and SNES. A system's power has no effect on fun, unless a Dev fails to use it properly.
Most of my favorite games are on systems many times less powerful than a PS3 or XBox. PS2, NDS, and SNES. A system's power has no effect on fun, unless a Dev fails to use it properly.
The 720 and PS4 may eventually be more powerful but is Sony and Microsoft using that power to the best of their ability ? Last I checked Microsoft wants to turn their console into the next cable box and keep on pushing Kinect. No point in making a console more powerful if you keep making low tech games!
@Alan Argentina:
What "gamers" REALLY want? How about good games? I've already got a computer, I don't need 1001 uses for my freaking game console.
What "gamers" REALLY want? How about good games? I've already got a computer, I don't need 1001 uses for my freaking game console.
@ tahiri
Epic has not said it was weaker. It can run UE3 and rumor is it's being tweaked to run UE4. Prez of Epic said "EU3 runs beautifly on WiiU." Also sony copied nintendo with the GCN-GBA/SP link which in turn copied Dreamcast's VMU in a sense. It's called progress. so mleh!!
Epic has not said it was weaker. It can run UE3 and rumor is it's being tweaked to run UE4. Prez of Epic said "EU3 runs beautifly on WiiU." Also sony copied nintendo with the GCN-GBA/SP link which in turn copied Dreamcast's VMU in a sense. It's called progress. so mleh!!
If you want some actual analysis, there is a feature at Digital Foundary that analyzes everything we know about the system, including performance of games for it, to get a sense of how powerful it is. Very good reading.
I would also hype the shit out of a system I'm developing for. Especially when it is a controversial, to be released system like the WiiU. Their sales of this game depend on how the system does, so everything the say is because they want you to buy the system, and probably their game with it.
If Nintendo had nothing to hide, they would slap the specs in our face.
If Nintendo had nothing to hide, they would slap the specs in our face.
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