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Damn idiots. Definitely waiting until they come out with a dual nubbed 3DS, and if that never happens, I guess I'll maybe consider a Vita. I'm not getting tricked into buying the inferior, beta test nintendo handheld again.
@evilmonkeyman289
Doesn't really seem a lot different than the wii motion +. People who early adopted got rewarded by having to buy motion plus attachments that should have been built in from the beginning, while the newer tech has it built in. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they built in a second nub, even if only a few games take advantage of it, and a game or two will require it, just like only a few games took advantage of a motion plus, and a few games required it.
Doesn't really seem a lot different than the wii motion +. People who early adopted got rewarded by having to buy motion plus attachments that should have been built in from the beginning, while the newer tech has it built in. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they built in a second nub, even if only a few games take advantage of it, and a game or two will require it, just like only a few games took advantage of a motion plus, and a few games required it.
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I'm definitely not the most 3DS game-informed, but can anybody tell me if the second nub attachment that already came out was actually usable in games? It just seems really odd that a game could pick up on a second nub if it wasn't there in the first place.
Remember, it's not just an extra stick, people. It's an extra stick PLUS two extra shoulder triggers. A remodel would have to take that into consideration. You may notice that not even the Vita has four shoulder buttons. That should be a clue as to how feasible such an addition would be on a portable device that needs to maintain a comfortable form factor.
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Isn't that a bit of a false dilemma though Tony? You can EITHER have only one circle pad, OR you can have two circle pads but you have to have two more shoulder buttons and make the thing all big and blocky.
Well ... ya know. Fuck that. Why not just the extra circle pad? It didn't have to be a forced dichotomy like that.
Well ... ya know. Fuck that. Why not just the extra circle pad? It didn't have to be a forced dichotomy like that.
Speaking of Kid Icarus, is there going to be a larger version of the stand, or does the existing stand fit the larger 3DS?
Ok so there are few games that actually use the ccp as is so with so with so few games actually supporting it some of which you may or may not play in the first place then including the second circle pad on the 3ds xl would be pretty pointless. and if you're one of the few who wants to play a 3ds game that really benefits from the second nub, say metal gear solid 3 or kid icarus uprising (if your left handed) well you can without the other wise useless second circle pad hindering the rest of us.
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Same could be said about the motion plus. Only a few games actually used the motion plus, Nintendo still saw fit to building it in and make it the standard.
Also, what people don't get is that part of the reason that so few games support the circle pad pro is because it is not built in and therefore a game developer can't integrate it into their default control scheme without limiting their consumers to only circle pad pro owners. If it was built in from the beginning, you can bet nearly every 3d game would have a second nub integrated. This was really Nintendo's chance to nip this problem in the bud as early as possible, but the longer they wait, the more people people are going to have to buy clunky attachments once the 3DS has one killer app game that requires a second nub (I'm guessing The Legend of Zelda: the phantom nub)
Same could be said about the motion plus. Only a few games actually used the motion plus, Nintendo still saw fit to building it in and make it the standard.
Also, what people don't get is that part of the reason that so few games support the circle pad pro is because it is not built in and therefore a game developer can't integrate it into their default control scheme without limiting their consumers to only circle pad pro owners. If it was built in from the beginning, you can bet nearly every 3d game would have a second nub integrated. This was really Nintendo's chance to nip this problem in the bud as early as possible, but the longer they wait, the more people people are going to have to buy clunky attachments once the 3DS has one killer app game that requires a second nub (I'm guessing The Legend of Zelda: the phantom nub)
@llort het - And what games are you planning to use dual analog for on the 3DS?
To date, there are only four games that support it, no games that need it and no games supporting it that I know of after KH3D.
Played the demo for that? You don't need DA.
You are waiting for something that will not haopen because it will change the form factor of the 3DS and that would affect its portability. The CPPro already turns the 3DS into a brick that is not portable, but it does add that needed form factor that not even vita had.
Why would you want dual analog without the comfortable ergonomic design and weight of a Dual Shock. Vita does not even try to provide that because it would diminish its portability, yet as a result ANY time you need to use the touch screen you hadlve to throw off your rhythm by letting go of that second stick to touch the front or back, and let's not for get games that want you to pinch. It's just as annoying when it happens on 3DS games, though it lacks multi touch.
When people say they want dual analog on a handheld, they seriously don't think about this stuff, not to mention they're asking devs for a slew of lazy first and third person ports that don't suit 3DS or Vita's strengths.
Let's keep them different from consoles rather than force them to be more like them.
To date, there are only four games that support it, no games that need it and no games supporting it that I know of after KH3D.
Played the demo for that? You don't need DA.
You are waiting for something that will not haopen because it will change the form factor of the 3DS and that would affect its portability. The CPPro already turns the 3DS into a brick that is not portable, but it does add that needed form factor that not even vita had.
Why would you want dual analog without the comfortable ergonomic design and weight of a Dual Shock. Vita does not even try to provide that because it would diminish its portability, yet as a result ANY time you need to use the touch screen you hadlve to throw off your rhythm by letting go of that second stick to touch the front or back, and let's not for get games that want you to pinch. It's just as annoying when it happens on 3DS games, though it lacks multi touch.
When people say they want dual analog on a handheld, they seriously don't think about this stuff, not to mention they're asking devs for a slew of lazy first and third person ports that don't suit 3DS or Vita's strengths.
Let's keep them different from consoles rather than force them to be more like them.
Next year, the 3DSi will finally have the double nub, and the year after the 4DS will shrink everything down all over again.
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Nintendo released the 3DS, realized several games needed a 2nd analog, released the CPP.
Now they're releasing the 3DS XL without a 2nd analog, and releasing a CPP XL? That's so dumb, JH. It doesn't make sense. It's like if they'd released Wii Motion Plus, then released a more ergonomic Wii Remote with a better speaker that didn't include Wii Motion Plus, then released a 2nd Wii Motion Plus attachment. Makes no sense.
Now they're releasing the 3DS XL without a 2nd analog, and releasing a CPP XL? That's so dumb, JH. It doesn't make sense. It's like if they'd released Wii Motion Plus, then released a more ergonomic Wii Remote with a better speaker that didn't include Wii Motion Plus, then released a 2nd Wii Motion Plus attachment. Makes no sense.
@llort het
But adding the ccp on the 3ds xl would just make the issue worse by fracturing the audience since the xl doesn't seem as it's meant to replace the current model but rather to serve as another option.
And to be honest do handhelds really need a second anologue circle pad, whatever. Really?
But adding the ccp on the 3ds xl would just make the issue worse by fracturing the audience since the xl doesn't seem as it's meant to replace the current model but rather to serve as another option.
And to be honest do handhelds really need a second anologue circle pad, whatever. Really?
@emorymdotcom
Name five 3ds games that use the circle pad pro that wouldn't be remotely playable without it.
Name five 3ds games that use the circle pad pro that wouldn't be remotely playable without it.
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Wut. No really, are you kidding me? When Nintendo didn't include a second circle pad built in to the XL, I assumed that was that for the Cpad Pro and dual nub controls. And then they go and make an add-on for this one too? My brain if full of fuck.
@takedowndag
It wouldn't fracture the audience, 3DS owners could still buy a CPP and they could have the same functionality. It doesn't seem like it would fracture the audience more than the motion plus, or DSiware.
And yeah, handhelds kind of do need a second analogue stick nowadays because now they are to the point where 3D games are so prevalent. 3D games often control much better with a second stick for camera control, and I don't want to warp back to 1996 where 3D games are a pain to play because camera control is so limited and clunky.
It wouldn't fracture the audience, 3DS owners could still buy a CPP and they could have the same functionality. It doesn't seem like it would fracture the audience more than the motion plus, or DSiware.
And yeah, handhelds kind of do need a second analogue stick nowadays because now they are to the point where 3D games are so prevalent. 3D games often control much better with a second stick for camera control, and I don't want to warp back to 1996 where 3D games are a pain to play because camera control is so limited and clunky.
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@llort het
I'm about to spout some serious crazy talk right here but i kinda agree with Miyamoto about using the touchscreen/gyroscope as a substitute (not a full on replacement) for camera control. It worked well enough for RE:revelations. Also the vita has dual sticks yet I can only think of a few games that absolutely need them.
I'm about to spout some serious crazy talk right here but i kinda agree with Miyamoto about using the touchscreen/gyroscope as a substitute (not a full on replacement) for camera control. It worked well enough for RE:revelations. Also the vita has dual sticks yet I can only think of a few games that absolutely need them.
Everyone please stop waiting for a 3DS with two analogs. it's not going to happen because it would alienate original 3DS owners. Please just shut up and enjoy the new, better form factor.
@takedowndag
Hm, I forgot about gyroscope controls to move the camera, I have no idea if that is a good solution or not, it could be, however using the touch screen for camera controls is definitely not a good universal solution. Your hand/stylus block part of the screen, you can't use buttons and hold the stylus at the same time, and it pretty much forces left handed people to buy the circle pad pro anyways.
Resident Evil Revelations isn't a great example to tout the virtues of only one stick, because the entire game has an over the shoulder camera with tank controls. That doesn't work for all 3D games, and that would be really limiting to 3rd party developers to expect them to make games as such.
@alex celeski
Like I've said a few times, it would alienate the original 3DS owners as much as it would alienate people who bought regular wii remotes, or people who bought regular DSes before the DSi. Nintendo is however alienating 3rd party developers who want to make 3D games but have to work around the obstacle of only having one nub. 3rd party developers either have 2 options, make the CPP mandatory, and limited their consumer base, or make it optional, and have their games slammed in reviews because the single nub control scheme is accepted as the default and controls poorly.
Hm, I forgot about gyroscope controls to move the camera, I have no idea if that is a good solution or not, it could be, however using the touch screen for camera controls is definitely not a good universal solution. Your hand/stylus block part of the screen, you can't use buttons and hold the stylus at the same time, and it pretty much forces left handed people to buy the circle pad pro anyways.
Resident Evil Revelations isn't a great example to tout the virtues of only one stick, because the entire game has an over the shoulder camera with tank controls. That doesn't work for all 3D games, and that would be really limiting to 3rd party developers to expect them to make games as such.
@alex celeski
Like I've said a few times, it would alienate the original 3DS owners as much as it would alienate people who bought regular wii remotes, or people who bought regular DSes before the DSi. Nintendo is however alienating 3rd party developers who want to make 3D games but have to work around the obstacle of only having one nub. 3rd party developers either have 2 options, make the CPP mandatory, and limited their consumer base, or make it optional, and have their games slammed in reviews because the single nub control scheme is accepted as the default and controls poorly.
@takedowndag: No excuse necessary. You should make your way to the community blogs when ya can. That and the forums are where the real fun is at. Don't be scurred.
So instead of having a second nub added into the hardware they'll just let you buy a whole new add on because they are too lazy to code in 2 whole control schemes.
So instead of having a second nub added into the hardware they'll just let you buy a whole new add on because they are too lazy to code in 2 whole control schemes.
Well, I thought it was pointless for the original 3DS, so I sure as hell won't be buying an extra large version.
I'm still bent out of shape about that whole "we're not releasing a new model" thing.
I knew it was BS from the start, but still.
I knew it was BS from the start, but still.
Remember when the PSX was redesigned to be smaller and rounder and then they made a little screen attachment that could clip on to the back of it in place of a TV? I'm thinkin' that's what this will be.
I can't defend this.How are people defending this?...next gen when nintendo finally adds the 2nd stick you'll still have people saying "who cares!!" I can't believe we're arguing that a 2nd stick one of the biggest changes to gaming on consoles adds nothing.Then they release XL circle pad pro, lol.
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