Remember the loads for every act in Metal Gear Solid 4? Those drove me insane. Good for Atlus.

Astalano:

You are the reason publishers feel they can get away with half the bullshit they do. Thanks!

I have no problem for an install if it speeds up loading, and is done as you play the game. Darksiders, inFAMOUS, Wolverine's installs all happened as you played the game. It makes sense because you'd want the game to load faster the more you play it.

If Consoles want to compete with PC for quality graphics and environments, some of us are going to have to get down from our "Consoles are quick fix" horses. Or stick to peggle.

"When a PS3 game gets an installation, it's usually mandatory. BioShock 2 made us <b>wait nine minutes</b> while it cluttered up our hard-drives with its nonsense, and it's not the only one. Ninja Gaiden Sigma II, Resident Evil 5, inFAMOUS, and many more force you to use up HDD space and <b>waste time looking at a progress bar</b>, and it's really getting annoying."

I really have to disagree, and I don't completely understand people occasionally complaining about this. I do see how having it optional is better just to give people a choice - but bitching over a 9 minute (if that) install?

9 Minutes out of most likely 20+ hours you will be spending on the game.

Most of the time, that 9 minutes you spend installing it, is more than made up for throughout the course of your play through when all of your loading times are reduced.

For me personally it's a no brainer to install any game I can before playing it, and I know that's just my opinion - but to get SO frustrated by it, making it out to be such an epic inconvenience, just doesn't really add up to me.

For one thing, reducing load times is the best possible optimization for any game I play - ironic that impatience is the reason most people bitch about it, when my impatience is the number one reason I prefer an install so i don't have to deal with it as much while indulging in the actual gameplay.

Another thing, worried about space? How many games do people possibly play at once where they have so many games installed simultaneously that another won't fit? Chances are a few installs could easily be removed until the time comes when you feel the need to go back and play a title. This reason seems the most legit to me when it comes to the bitching, but even still does not warrant it.

Installation is a non issue.

So, win/win?

I knew you could do it, Atlus!

I honestly dont see what the big deal is. 9 minutes one time install, ONE TIME. I would have a problem if it happened EVERY time you start the game.

It's pretty cool for those who care, but I don't myself. What I do care about is games that don't install anything on your HDD, such as Bayonetta before the patch came in. Man that was a drag. -_-

@Jim, @Xzyliac: Sorry I didn't pay attention.

I was busy waiting for my already bought Steam games to be updated (should be 6 hours now, hard to tell when don't even give you an estimate), my already paid DLC to be downloaded (about 1 hour), my already played game to match-make (5 minutes) and my already ordered games to be shipped, taxed and go through custom (1 week, when lucky); so, you are telling me I have to wait 9 whole minutes to play a 15hs game for the first time?!?! This is an outrage! Outrage, I say... Hope I don't drop death of old age while waiting.

It might just be that I used to play a bunch of PC games, but load times don't really bother me. In some cases it can be a really good thing, such as bayonetta on the PS3. After they allowed installation it ran so much better,it was ridiculous.

I would rather have a one time installation than a long, constant loading screen. Bayonetta example was ridiculous, and I stopped playing Tales of the Abyss after a few hours because I couldn't stand a 10 seconds loading screen every time I entered a fight or a 3x3 room.

This is a non-issue indeed

I wish I could play this games, it looks really interesting. Anyone wanna buy me a PS3?

@oryharakestrel: I am not talking about acquiring, I am talking about updating... something a lot of console games (at least this generation) are certainly used to. The shipping was not of a PC game, it was actually for every console game I buy. The DLC still stands for something you have to wait to acquire, even after you pay for it.

My examples are meant to ilustrate that for gamers, even console gamers, waiting for something is not an alien concept, so waiting for a 10 minutes, one time install is not something deal breaker. It is the same as people bitching about multiple discs CDs because they have to lift up of the chair every 10 hours or so. In fact, I bet that if you add up all the loading/iddle times of almost any CD based game in previous generations, you will come up with a worst ratio than 10 minutes for a 15 hours game.

@The Silent Protagonist

That's a perfectly good reduction solely intended to ridicule without approaching any argument. Unless you really think the industry advancements and differences between now and then are superfluous and arbitrary in cause? To which I may reply, "then let yourself play Commodore 64 and abandon the contrived unnecessary excesses of today's games."

what i don't understand is with a game like bioshock 2, you have to install the thing on your hard drive, and it still makes you wait for 2 minutes while it loads each level...

I install all my games mostly cause they are mandatory >.> i think its better I wish uncharted 2 had an install the loading for multiplayer is too damn long! Im sure this is how all games will be in the next gen when the new xbox will have blu-ray I say who gives a fuck much worst shit we gotta deal with DLC unlock keys, assassin creed 3, and activision

* My 80gb PS3 is almost full because game installs. It´s almost like the old pc days, when you have to unistall a game to have space in the winchester for another game.

Yeah Sterling! Installing....bad.

They are really screwing us over with this crap! Argh angry. Lets start a petition for this injustice.

@Hermes
Who's outraging? Not me my lord.

@Xzyliac: Sarcasm is had to pull off from a keyboard...

If it makes the game load a little faster I have no problem with it.

I wait 7-10 minutes when I install a 360 game to my hard drive, and multiply that if there are multiple disks. When I'm at work, 10 minutes is hell, but when I'm at home it's a trip to the refrigerator or the bathroom. Ten minutes is the optimal amount of time needed to drop a deuce. In the time it takes me to check Destructoid and check me e-mail, the game will have been installed.

Jim as much as I love your articles, how can you say installs is a bad thing? I thought you would know enough to know it actually is a benefit. Did you bash installs when people played pc games before consoles? Or even bash pc installs now? That's a joke

Optional is nice indeed, but I'd hardly say that waiting 9 minutes for an install is bad, nor does it "clutter" anything by making the game run better.

Seeing as most games nowadays have a patch (either a day one 1.01 or because I buy the game late) that needs to be installed before playing, it's all much of a muchness for me. I use the time to prepare large amounts of coffee anyway, so eh.