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I never buy DLC I always pirate it, I buy the games just not the DLC. Fuck look at ME3 there is DLC all over the place action figures fucking food and demos and shit I don't want to search the entire internet and buy and download all kinds of shit just so I can use some guns. Sorry I love games and I buy them but imo only suckers buy DLC, I payed 60 damn euro's that's all the publisher and developer are going to get from me.
I'll rent it from blockbuster and use the online pass they keep in the box....problem solved for me.
Well I suppose as long as it is not the shit DLC, Disc Locked Content, than this is acceptable. If you enter the online pass and it simply unlocks, or downloads a 108kb or so file, then fuck this. If it say has to download an actual free DLC pack, well, this isn't such a bad idea. As long as this wasn't taken out of the game as Kalypso did with Tropico 4 where they removed a section of the game and sold it later as DLC even though it was included with the game.
@HaVoK308: "Buy your games new. It's a privalaged hobby that cost money, it's not a birth right. When you buy things used you are giving up certain things. The sense of entitlement gamers have never ceases to amaze me. "
Brilliant, let's apply that to another scenario: Buy your cars new. It's a privileged hobby that cost money, it's not a birth right. When you buy things used you are giving up certain things like the battery, a wheel or something. The sense of entitlement drivers have never ceases to amaze me.
See how stupid that really sounds? INB4 "Cars and games aren't the same market" excuse.
Brilliant, let's apply that to another scenario: Buy your cars new. It's a privileged hobby that cost money, it's not a birth right. When you buy things used you are giving up certain things like the battery, a wheel or something. The sense of entitlement drivers have never ceases to amaze me.
See how stupid that really sounds? INB4 "Cars and games aren't the same market" excuse.
I've yet to completely understand the outrage over 'launch day DLC', though moreso for box titles than anything.
At some point between the time the game is 'finished' and goes gold and is released, I would expect studios to start working on other content. Sometimes, it's finished for launch. I rarely get the vibe that it's "intentionally omitted to make more money" that Jim always seems to get.
It's like when people got outraged at launch-day DLC for Rock Band -- licencing costs + fixed retail price = limit on disc content no matter the 'free space' on disc.
At some point between the time the game is 'finished' and goes gold and is released, I would expect studios to start working on other content. Sometimes, it's finished for launch. I rarely get the vibe that it's "intentionally omitted to make more money" that Jim always seems to get.
It's like when people got outraged at launch-day DLC for Rock Band -- licencing costs + fixed retail price = limit on disc content no matter the 'free space' on disc.
After enjoying the demo a great deal, I was seriously considering a pre-order or day-one purchase for this game. Not anymore. I refuse to pay full price for games with online passes. I can wait a few months until it can be bought for $20.
I was thinking about getting this but the online/single player pass shit has helped me decide that I will not be purchasing this game.
If it's ready at the time of launch, just put it on the fucking disc.
Don't put it behind a wall. This is an online pass for content they took out of the game and are calling DLC to excuse this shitty practice. There's no excuse for this shitty practice.
Don't put it behind a wall. This is an online pass for content they took out of the game and are calling DLC to excuse this shitty practice. There's no excuse for this shitty practice.
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If it's at all a significant piece of DLC, they shouldn't be able to have it ready by launch day. Even if they do manage to program and test the DLC quickly, I'm guessing that Microsoft has a stringent approval process for developers to approve content to be sold on the xbox marketplace (I'm pretty sure microsoft themselves evaluates the content and they decide on a price, achievements, etc.) then the ratings board has to dip their hand into it, and there's probably other things that go on. I guess it's not impossible for that all to happen between game finish and game launch, but I think it's more likely just cherry picked content from the main game.
If it's at all a significant piece of DLC, they shouldn't be able to have it ready by launch day. Even if they do manage to program and test the DLC quickly, I'm guessing that Microsoft has a stringent approval process for developers to approve content to be sold on the xbox marketplace (I'm pretty sure microsoft themselves evaluates the content and they decide on a price, achievements, etc.) then the ratings board has to dip their hand into it, and there's probably other things that go on. I guess it's not impossible for that all to happen between game finish and game launch, but I think it's more likely just cherry picked content from the main game.
Hey check out this brand new car, you want to buy it at full price? Oh why is there a seat missing? Well we always planned to have that seat as an optional extra, we didn't design it with all the seats in mind i swear, it was a last minute idea to give the customers a 'special bonus' seat!!
PS. the used car industry destroyed car sales and now new cars aren't made anymore! don't let it happen to gaming!
PS. the used car industry destroyed car sales and now new cars aren't made anymore! don't let it happen to gaming!
How about this to kill online passes: Everyone who buys the game new but doesn't want/need to use the extra content sells their online pass codes on ebay or another such site (can't recommend craigslist just in case one of you becomes the victim of foul play). This happens already, but to such a small extent that it probably doesn't make a dent in EA's bottom line. I think it would be delicious irony if the new game buyers who have to put up with this crap can make a buck off of EA AND keep the used game market going.
Interesting. I never thought that online passes could be justified, but this is a debatable concept. Like the Catwoman Pass in Batman: Arkham City. If 38 Studios is to be believed, then this is a step in the right direction for not just those backwards-IOU slips, but for DLC.
And the irony is that just minutes ago, I said I wasn't going to rent this game. I'll have to think about this.
And the irony is that just minutes ago, I said I wasn't going to rent this game. I'll have to think about this.
Then let it stand that the "free" DLC is not to be considered part of the base game. And the base game should be reviewed as though it does not exist.
It's a boatload of Shit in disguise. It's either in the game or a shit tactic to sway gamer into false sense of extra content, which in itself is by its nature unethical.
This game ain't that good to deal with deceit from a fledgling company with this material right out the gate.
This game ain't that good to deal with deceit from a fledgling company with this material right out the gate.
It's tough Jim. Aka I loathe EA with every fiber of my being but I like supporting developers akin to 38 studios. It seems as if dicking EA also dicks over a hard working team yet supporting EA dicks the consumer. What to do, what to do? I know! Tower of judgement! Nuke the whole lousy human race! Bwa ha ha ha! (I feel so "Kefka")
Well I played the demo and I thought it was not very good at all. The idea of them using an online makes it even worse. I had not intention of buying this game after trying the demo. So this makes no difference to me but I think it's pretty crappy of them.
They don't care what we think about online passes or on-disc DLC because we are still buying their games AND their content.
Jim, Would you feel better if Studio 38 put the entire game up on Pirate Bay on the day of release? I mean, just to make it easier for everyone. Really, how dare they try to make money off the game they spent years working on. They're just being greedy, right?
"This is a pretty smart move on the part of 38 Studios."
Actually this is a pretty basic move that doesn't make them any smarter then most companies. Thats like WB and Rocksteady saying "well, Catwoman was our first DLC, so why not give her out to people who bought it new, for free, instead of holding her a month" He sections of the story don't really mean a hill of shit for Arkham City, no matter how much fun she was, and after that all she is is a challenge map grind, just like Robin and Nightwing.
This doesn't make the pass look any better at all, in fact that whole "well you could have just bought it a month from now any way" fact makes the pass all the more tacked on. And "giving away" DLC to new buyers just smells of "this should have been in the purchased game in the first place, then" which helps nothing.
also, I agree with Fetusmilk, it also punishes those who don't have net access to their gaming set up. Assuming that people have net access (or even just good net access) at all, to me, seems like one of the biggest misconceptions of this whole pass thing, and this entire generation of gaming.
Honestly, I like 38 and their game is good, I really liked the demo, but EA needs to be defending this, not 38. No matter how favorable we see 38, its still EA's policy they're enforcing.
Actually this is a pretty basic move that doesn't make them any smarter then most companies. Thats like WB and Rocksteady saying "well, Catwoman was our first DLC, so why not give her out to people who bought it new, for free, instead of holding her a month" He sections of the story don't really mean a hill of shit for Arkham City, no matter how much fun she was, and after that all she is is a challenge map grind, just like Robin and Nightwing.
This doesn't make the pass look any better at all, in fact that whole "well you could have just bought it a month from now any way" fact makes the pass all the more tacked on. And "giving away" DLC to new buyers just smells of "this should have been in the purchased game in the first place, then" which helps nothing.
also, I agree with Fetusmilk, it also punishes those who don't have net access to their gaming set up. Assuming that people have net access (or even just good net access) at all, to me, seems like one of the biggest misconceptions of this whole pass thing, and this entire generation of gaming.
Honestly, I like 38 and their game is good, I really liked the demo, but EA needs to be defending this, not 38. No matter how favorable we see 38, its still EA's policy they're enforcing.
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