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2K: XCOM changed because strategy games aren't modern photo

There have been mixed feelings concerning the 2K's upcoming take on the XCOM franchise, and the fact that it bears little resemblance to the original series. According to 2K's boss, the reason for this is simple -- strategy games just aren't relevant enough for these modern times.

"The 90s generation of gamers all love XCOM and we own the IP, so we thought okay, what do we do with it? Every studio we had wanted to do it and each one had its own spin on it," said Christoph Hartmann. "But the problem was that turn-based  strategy games were no longer the hottest thing on planet Earth. But this is not just a commercial thing -- strategy games are just not contemporary.

"... That’s what we are trying to do. To renew Xcom but in line with what this generation of gamers want. The team behind it is asking  themselves every day: 'Is it true to the values of the franchise?' It’s not a case of cashing in on the name. We just need to renew it because times are changing."

Hartmann said that if Ray Charles were to come back, his music would probably be "more in the style of Kanye West," which is one of the most hilariously offensive analogies I've ever considered. Nicely done!

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Lenigod's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:02
Lenigod
@jimmyx
tuoman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:04
tuoman
@lenigod

leave him alone, he's just a fan of retrostiled shooters
njsykora's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:06
njsykora
Can we get a gallery of facepalm up in here?
Sir Tobbii's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:10
Sir Tobbii
*ahem*
BETRAAAAAAAAAYAL!
Lolztradamus's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:11
Lolztradamus
That everything is turning into a shooter just because that seems to be the only economically viable "contemporary" genre... It tells me that now is a good time to cut my losses, put aside my NES and SNES, sell everything else, and find a new hobby.
Sir Tobbii's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:11
Sir Tobbii
@jimmyx
Well yeah, X-COM is not meant to be on consoles. The original X-COM was one of the most well-made TBS of the 90's, thankfully one can play the new UFO games to get some sort of reminder of how good it was.

Also, learn to spell.
Br0th3rGr1mm's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:12
Br0th3rGr1mm
If they would spend a fraction of the budget for this soon to be releasd disaster on updating the graphics and polishing the gameplay of the orignal 3 strategy games and re-release them, they would get my buisness.

Despite what the old games "look" like, they were brilliant in terms of gameplay. It's a shame so many modern gamers will gladly plunk down $60 to rush thru a 3 hour, mindless, eye candy-fest and never even consider that atually having to "think" to play a game is something that might provide something more than just pure entertainment.
EggmaniMN's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:12
EggmaniMN
Turn-based strategy games are no longer modern? Valkyria Chronicles? You can innovate within a genre to make it modern. Instead of garbage pandering to retards how about we actually get some good ideas?

If they just wanted to ask what the modern gamer wants, then they didn't need to bring the name X-COM back at all because they won't understand what it is anyway. The whole thing is bullshit.
Chongomaster's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:12
Chongomaster
@jimmyx
You're 12
Cahuatijo's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:12
Cahuatijo
So turn-based is dated, ergo make a FPS. The original x-com provided some of my fondest memories of videogaming. I feel it is so good that I still play it today; and I never do that with any of the other games I used to love. I might purchase them for nostalgic reasons but I never end up playing them. X-Com is and always was different. I wish it could get quality sequels, like Civilization. Civilization is such a great franchise because its sequels have never really betrayed its core gameplay. I really wish someone would realize how fucking good x-com was and overhaul the whole game without betraying its core gameplay.
SayWord's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:12
SayWord
So this game is multiplatform now? :P
GoodGuyA's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:13
GoodGuyA
"BETRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYAL!"

I still like strategy games, and this is not strategic at all.
MrFunsockz's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:15
MrFunsockz
"strategy games were no longer the hottest thing on planet Earth. But this is not just a commercial thing"

No, that's pretty much exactly what it is. You changed what the core of the game is because it's no longer the hottest thing on Earth.
Chongomaster's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:16
Chongomaster
Why would they even use the XCOM name? Fans of the original games aren't going to buy a modern shooter just because it has the XCOM name and casuals haven't heard of the franchise.
Sir Tobbii's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:17
Sir Tobbii
Another thing, why would you want to modernize X-COM if you're going to alienate the actual X-COM fans? It's not like the new fans will care about the old game, and since this is abobut as much X-COM as it is Mass Effect, I don't see the reason for even calling it X-COM... Or XCOM for that matter.
SKSith's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:18
SKSith
Can someone please photoshop Kanye West glasses onto Ray Charles? Please?
apolii90's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:18
apolii90
@Jimmyx
Get off my lawn!
Brad Nieder's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:19
Brad Nieder
@Sir Tobbii I thought that was odd too. So, you take an old IP and change it so that the only people who remember the name will find a totally different style of game. I really don't think the Xcom name holds that much weight any more.
Jawmuncher's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:20
Jawmuncher
I agree as well
BETRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYAL

The more and more they show and talk about it. The less and less I care.

Had theyvATLEAST kept the space scifi I'd at least have that. But no they even had to change that WTH.
tuoman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:21
tuoman
I agree with MrFunsockz. And I love that previous sentence.
mxdirector's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:23
mxdirector
@ Sir tobbii
Your logic is sound. But I suspect that the developers didn't really think any of this through. They had the IP, and they thought they would make a fps game. Perhaps they got carried away with it and forgot the point of xcom. The point is, they really didn't think things through.
Dhaos's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:26
Dhaos
I guess im out of touch with what gamers want cause I dont want this...wait does that mean im not a gamer?
Jacob Chambliss's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:29
Jacob Chambliss
While I don't think Ray Charles would be a rapper, I can see his music being very akin to that of 808's and Heartbreak which was very much not a rap CD by Kanye West.
nasic870's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:29
nasic870
Turn-based strategy games are pretty much dead on home consoles. There are few games coming out that aren't set in real time like Disgaea 4. Can't blame them.

Valkyria Chronicles was too slow paced for plenty of console elitists. If it was more mainstream then the series probably wouldn't have moved to the handhelds. Maybe they'll make a traditional XCOM for the Vita.
Maurice Tan's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:29
Maurice Tan
Or they could've turned it into a $15 multiplatform downloadable title with optional turn-based and real-time combat, online co-op, and probably still made a good amount of profit while not spending years in deveopment.

Ah well, there's always the new Jagged Alliance and UFO games for the strategy fans among us right?
AllenR's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:31
AllenR
Starcraft 2 already shows that strategy style games are still alive and kicking, so their point is invalid. Just because games like Modern Warefare 2 are giant sellers doesn't suddenly mean there isn't a giant demand for a strategy game.
Klarden's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:32
Klarden
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8964/raywesteqh.jpg
AdamantiumHip's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:36
AdamantiumHip
sorry to make the fan boys cry, but this looks ace. I dont know or care about the original games, this looks brilliant. You would have to be mental to prefer a top down rts to this.
Karavision's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:38
Karavision
Give em a break. 2K has to go with what they know and it was either make it a shooter or a fucking baseball game.
Sir Tobbii's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:38
Sir Tobbii
@jimmyx
You're a sad person you know that? How could Sony have STOLEN it, if it's multiplatform?
GoodGuyA's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:44
GoodGuyA
@ AdamantiumHip- That's ignorance if I've ever heard it. Looks like a third-rate FPS with nothing exceptional or unique about it. Seriously, I would rather play Killzone and I HATE Killzone.
homohabilis's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:49
homohabilis
christoph hartmann is a schmuck of the highest order.
BETRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYAL!
Stardog's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:53
Stardog
Valkyria Chronicles
Sir Tobbii's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:53
Sir Tobbii
@jimmyx
As a guy who owns no copy of the original X-Com and only 1 PS3 game I don't see your point of fanboys crying? Because I'm assuming you were responding to me.
Stardog's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 10:53
Stardog
Valkyria Chronicles anyone?

VC + XCOM in first-person would sell tons. They should've gone in that direction.

XCOM will bomb.
Stigmeyer's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 11:01
Stigmeyer
Following this shithead's thinking, I expect the new Master of Orion to be a gritty, hardcore FPS with lots of waist-high walls, violence, and alien-on-alien sex told in comic book fashion in between levels.
cow's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 11:02
cow
I wonder if the president of 2K games realizes his company publishes CIVILIZATION?
Jawmuncher's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 11:03
Jawmuncher
My biggest thing is the change of setting.
There was no need to change it to that.

Honestly at this point why are they even calling it Xcom. All this can be over with a simple name change. It's not like the marketing has even really hit yet.
MrFloppyknickers's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 11:04
MrFloppyknickers
Yes, a new style. Let's make it a shooter, throw it in the giant pool of shooters and them blame the IP if it fails. OOORRRRrrrrrr we could update the turn based game with mice graphics, innovative game play improvements, and fresh ideas and have a tstand out title that offeres something different that shooty McShooterguy 4. Good thinking 2k.
TheNephilym's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 11:04
TheNephilym
Fucking sad. If strategy games are not contemporary enough, then make them contemporary. Add to them. Change them. Improve and enhance. Make them whatever you feel they should be, but don't just fucking throw your nose up and forget about them. Dare to be different and do something new, Gaming Industry!

@Stardog

I agree, dude. Valkyria Chronicles was an excellent spin on the strategy genre and one of the best games I've played on the PS3. It has its faults, but if someone took that game play style and built on it, they could have on hell of a game on their hands. Too bad the industry's leaders are afraid to innovate.
Davedude's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 11:04
Davedude
I wouldn't be disappointed if they just kept the original storyline and maybe artstyle. But now there's no reason to call it Xcom. None.
nashk's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 11:09
nashk
while I am more open to this change and optimistic about the new xcom game after recent previews... I have to say its pretty damn sad for the industry if making a STRATEGY game "modern" involves turning it into a shooter.

Ah well, at least we will get a proper xcom successor via the gameXenonaughts.
cow's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 11:13
cow
The game didn't start as an Xcom title. They've been working on it for 5 years before BioShock even. The change in name is them capitalizing off an old IP that was worthless since the mid-90s when the original developers were'nt even making Xcom games. They publish Civilization, a million selling franchise, but apparently between that and The Creative Assembly's Total War series strategy games aren't "contemporary"? Huh? How out of touch with reality are game executives?
O.M.'s Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 11:14
O.M.
@jimmyx

Can you go away? Please? I own an Xbox, I love my Xbox, and whenever I see a comment of yours I don't love my Xbox so much any more.

So, yeah. Please go away. Somebody at Gamespot must have let you escape.
arkiel's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 11:18
arkiel
We don't need another X-COM strategy game. The original was perfect. If you want more, play it on a higher difficulty level or try and get through TFtD or Apocalypse.
This is the first spin-off of the original concept I'll actually bother playing so, mission accomplished, publishers.
Begaria's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 11:20
Begaria
I used to know this blind black guy who was a musical genius who probably never even heard of 2K, and he asked me "WHY THE FUCK DID YOU BRING ME BACK?!" when I contacted him through a seance to ask him about your news article, Jim.
Klarden's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 11:20
Klarden
Oh and btw, he's right about strategies not being "modern". Strategy is a hardcore genre. And modern game means "same stuff everyone else does to sell before someone else does the same stuff only newer". And fps with countless halo/cod-killers is a perfect example of this modern faceless identity lacking industry.
Trust me, when someone finds a "perfect formula" for strategy, it will become a "modern" genre again
djvlive's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 11:22
djvlive
"if Ray Charles were to come back, his music would probably be "more in the style of Kanye West" which is one of the most hilariously offensive analogies I've ever considered."

Truly you must know nothing about music, generation gap, or culture shift. Why you would consider that offensive is beyond me. Wow.. I started reading Destructoid because of Jim Sterling's witty, no-nonsense approach to the game industry. Now I just find his articles to be more and more nonsensical and pointless.

Anyway~ better find something else to do before people start saying I'm flaming.
Garlador's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 11:24
Garlador
Strategy games are far from irrelevant. Starcraft II, Valkyrie Chronicles, Civilization, Command & Conquer, and even blasted Halo Wars (a 360, console-only RTS) all came out to either high sales or lauded critical success (and often both).

FPS are a dime-a-dozen. I'm sick to death of them. Sometimes I want a different experience beyond a generic FPS, whether that's a fantastical platformer like Alice: Madness Returns, a visceral fighting game like Mortal Kombat, or a RTS masterpiece like Starcraft...

But you don't see games like Zelda, Street Figher, Mario, Warcraft, or Mega Man betraying their roots and becoming yet another FPS just because Call of Duty sold some copies.

There IS a demand for strategy games from gamers. From XCOM fans. Or from gamers like me that never even played XCOM but wished to see what the big deal was by updating the core concepts for a new generation (not with a new genre though). Oh well... greed is good for business, and money speaks louder than logic at times.
amtalx's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/13/2011 11:24
amtalx
2K Marin can go fuck themselves, quite honestly. I have no respect for what they are doing with the XCOM franchise.
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