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Achievments are a funny thing. They get you nothing and yet you still want them worse then ever. What was the point of spending five hours discovering some remotely hidden section of a game? Nothing, but we still do it, and we do it a lot evidently. Since Achievements started 2.5 billion have been unlocked, with a collective gamer score of 52 billion being achieved. That means if you have less than 150 achievements then you're under the average every gamer should have and you better get to work.

This is all according to Xbox chief Aaron Greenberg, who I'm sure has Achievements coming out of his pores. The amount of Achievements flowing from Greenberg's epidermis aside, this is quite the testament to the success of the ol' Achievement. Of course more of a testament to the success of one of Microsoft's best ideas ever is the fact that every gaming company out there has started to copy them in one way or another. Hopefully some day soon we'll be able to use these things for more than just bragging rights. Achievement for your thoughts.

 








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Half left's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 11:04
Half left
Urgh, "achievements"...
Wintersocks's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 11:06
Wintersocks
I love me some achievements.
evermourn's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 11:28
evermourn
what would the downside be to turning achievement/trophy points into buying power in XBLA/PSN? either using total points earned in an equation at checkout that works as a permanent (although somewhat minuscule) discount for all items, or achieve certain point amounts/trophy levels and get certain items for free and the more points/levels you have the more stuff becomes free. this setup rewards gamers and definitely get me to play more.
Metamitsos's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 11:30
Metamitsos
It would be nice to be able to use the achievements to buy Microsoft points or something. However, if that happens, gone are the days when pressing start gives you 10 gamer points.
Woverine's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 11:31
Woverine
yeah that would be awesome.. but all the cheaters and hackers ruined it for all of us. they an get a 100,000 points in about an hour by game saving / hacking.
Discarded Couch Sandwich's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 11:31
Discarded Couch Sandwich
@evermourn

I belive Sony said they were going to try and do something "more" with the trophy system in the future. Maybe that kind of thing is what they were hinting at..
elysse's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 11:43
elysse
cheevos are the new high-scores. also:

"less than 150 achievements than you're under the average"

RAWR GRAMMAR NAZI RAAAAGE:

"..less than 150 achievements THEN you're under the average.."

S/THAN/THEN
SamBasinger's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 11:47
SamBasinger
Honestly, what I would like to see in achievement/trophies would be a constant reward system. Like, instead of playing a bunch of shitty games just for a higher gamerscore/level, you could play the same game and have it continue to give you points/trophies. Like, for example, 10 GS or a bronze trophy for every 5 levels you gain in COD multiplayer.
Joanna Mueller's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 11:47
Joanna Mueller
I contribute to this epidemic in my own way. I'm a total badge whore in any and all MMO's. Especially if there is a title involved. I'll spend hours traipsing around finding ruins and POI if it means I get a little note next to my name. /sigh
superezekiel's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 11:55
superezekiel
My ex has that shirt.

Her bewbs look good in shirts.
voicesinmyhead's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 12:09
voicesinmyhead
It seems like a lot of the writers here at Destructoid like to point out how stupid their readers are. Yes, Achievements are pointless, but you don't have to be so smug about it!
Yuphrum's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 12:14
Yuphrum
I am an achievement whore and proud of it :)
iNerd's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 12:14
iNerd
The only achivements I have ever attempted to get were in Team Fortress 2 because they do something. 'Nuff said.
Necro BABS's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 12:16
Necro BABS
Great another post about how gamers never get out the house

What is next we don't get laid??

Real original
Matthew Razak's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 12:19
Matthew Razak
@voicesinmyhead

That was more of a general you, not referring to readers. I'm an achievement bitch myself and can't make sense of it.
fromagex's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 12:28
fromagex
if you dont like a couple jabs now and then...dont read the site...
otogi guy's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 12:40
otogi guy
cant put any moneys into achievements/trophies because cheaters/hackers
El Nicko's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 12:40
El Nicko
Achievements are like crack to me.....i need help
norm9's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 13:00
norm9
Achievements are absolutely pointless and do nothing but give bragging rights to how much free time a person has.

Also, the achievement unlocked pop up has fucked me up numerous times on Geometry Wars 2, blocking my vision for those precious couple of seconds killing me, and so I can't forgive it for that.
akathatoneguy's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 13:16
akathatoneguy
They don't get you anything, but then again, neither does beating a game, going to the top of a leaderboard, or if you're old school, getting the high score in an arcade game. I don't think they have to give you anything to be fun to go after. It would be nice to see devs start integrating things like in-game rewards or even free themes, avatar parts, or whatever for them, though.

@ norm9- It couldn't have happened that many times, there's only a max of 12 achievements in each Arcade game.
Clbull's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 13:16
Clbull
I think Achievements are a good idea. Even though more often than not they mean absolutely nothing, apart from bragging rights, they can be fun to get and it turns into an obsession to increase your score achievement wise.

I say that Achievements should be more useful but at the moment they're a fun idea regardless.
Volomon's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 13:19
Volomon
I love the title.
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 13:32
Timmeh
Some people may argue they are pointless, but I guess that depends on what you want from a game. Personally I think collect-a-thons and experience grinding are pointless but many think they are great. Some well thought out achievements, for doing something actually unusual can sweeten a great experience a little more. Of course most developers don't bother being inventive with them.

Wouldn't it be great if more games used achievement awards to unlock stuff you used to get as a bonus for performing specific actions. You know - the stuff we now have to buy thanks to 'DLC'...
norm9's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 13:37
norm9
@akathatoneguy- Happening twice is too many as far as I'm concerned. One of them was the scraping all four walls or something, it unlocked as I was at the bottom of the screen avoiding something. Yeah, I was no longer avoiding anything after the achievement unlocked.

Also, I didn't realize this till later, you can turn off the notifications, which was something I disliked because having something pop up on screen kind of kills a game's immersion.
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 13:38
Chronic Logic
Achievements was the best thing (profitablly speaking) that Microsoft ever thought of for the Xbox 360. Not only do people spend more time playing their 360 games, but they buy old 360 games they usually wouldn't buy because they want the achievements for those games. Also, remember those video gamers who buy ANOTHER Xbox 360 because they maxed out their gamer score on their 360? Yea, talk about HARDCORE. Also having other people online check out your profile and see all your achievements is sure to give the video gamer the biggest E-penis and ego of a lifetime. The only thing that can make it even better, is Microsoft allowing players to use their achievement points or those who have acquired a certain number of achievemnets to spend it on exclusive stuff or discount games or subscription.
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 13:40
Kyousuke Nanbu
Are achievements any different then when we where kids and spent hours playing the same game?

Is it any different that beating Contra for the NES without the konami code? Beating Final Fantasy II(the SNES one), unlocking all the endings in Chrono Trigger?

No, now we just have something that says that we did and I don't see the big deal, its like bragging rights, sure some people take it seriously but who cares?

But at least I know going for the Jim Sterling crowd Razak(why not, they are the biggest group here), way to aim high bro.
Shirley Temple's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 13:41
Shirley Temple
Microsoft are so desperate. They think that if they flash big numbers then people will drop to their knees. They forget that alot of games are basically free achievements by just playing. Like Prince of Persia gives you about 10 achievements in the first 5 minutes.
Midgetsnowman's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 14:00
Midgetsnowman
How in the world does achievements make them desperate? By that token the Sony crowd is even more desperate for inventing Trophies.
Swizzler121's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 14:01
Swizzler121
ha! 185! that means I'm normal! wait... dammit.
aaronf's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 14:57
aaronf
I feel sorry for people who waste all that time collecting pointless achievements that mean absolutely nothing online or in the real world.

On the good side, it means they aren't on the road so maybe traffic around here will lighten up if more people get addicted to achievement whoring.
Kent's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 15:23
Kent
You feel sorry for gamers for collecting achievements? Why? Because they are enjoying themselves?

aaronf: "pointless achievements that mean absolutely nothing online or in the real world. "

What have you ever gotten out of a game that meant something online or ing the real world?
KyleGamgee's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 16:06
KyleGamgee
A reward system for Achievemets I've always felt could be the Gamer pics or Themes for that game could be a reward for achieving a certain Gamerscore in it. Even the Avatar system could be used. Like your avatar could be holding the Lancer for Gears of War 2 if you get 800G in the game, something like that.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 16:07
Chris Carter
I finish a game, and then only do the interesting ones. Things that I would never think of like “kill an enemy with a headshot while it’s jumping at you”. It’s fun.

I remember the incredible Old Spice Xbox 360 achievement contest, where if you increased your gamer score by like 5,000 in one month you got free stuff.

They should do stuff like that all the time; it sells/rents out games.

What's with all the achievement hate?
ArrestedDeveloper's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 17:09
ArrestedDeveloper
My achievements score bought me Contra, I consider that valuable.
A Steamy Pickle's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 19:01
A Steamy Pickle
They won't give money for this if anything it should unlock special clothes for the avatars
TheDreadHawk's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 19:49
TheDreadHawk
Nice clothing for my avatar would be cool. It's simple and fun, and won't cost anyone anything.
aaronf's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 19:55
aaronf
@kent:

> You feel sorry for gamers for collecting achievements? Why? Because they are enjoying themselves?

They are free to do whatever they want. And I'm free to think whatever I want of them.

> What have you ever gotten out of a game that meant something online or in the real world?

I enjoy games, but I don't obsess over spending 10 to 15 hours a day playing for achievements that mean nothing. And as I said, people are free to do that if they wish. I just don't find any value in it.
pascuz46's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/05/2009 22:40
pascuz46
@ aaronf well now your just generalizing the populace who want to spend the time to get achievements. Im sure some may spend 10 -15 hours a day to get an achievement or a trophies, but not all people are like that who get them. But like you said how ever people want to spend there time that is up to them, however you witting would suggest your condoning that choice.
ZenHK's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2009 00:34
ZenHK
I flit between utter despondence and an unabashed obsession with attaining them - depending on achievement itself.
Getting the gnome into space in HL2ep2 caused me more pain than most [driving the little fucker while being gunned down, seriously!?] but valve certainly know how to pique my interest for meaningless accolades.
For the most part, I pay little attention to them as I tumble headfirst into the category of 'too many games to play, too little time to scour every dungeon/rooftop'

The achievement unlocked event does have a nice ring to it though... unless you're playing the first 10 minutes of PoP, in which case its like a fucking alarm that goes off every six cocking seconds.
hjd uk's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2009 05:48
hjd uk
C'mon people, resisit the VG Crack. Just Say No.
rpbowlinggod's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2009 09:43
rpbowlinggod
who gives a shit? Once I can get achievements and then get rewarded for them in real world stuff, it will never be anything of real value that decides what game to buy. Let me earn some free picture packs or M$ points and then I will care about achievements.
Leviathan902's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2009 10:28
Leviathan902
Boy, there sure are a lot of people who hate on achievements, but you gotta admit, they sure are a pretty goood idea.

I mean, I'm not an achievement whore or anything, I don't play games I otherwise wouldn't for achievements, but what I find extremely cool about them is that they can give an extra incentive for finishing that game, or trying someting you otherwise might not have.

I woulddn't have tried getting through COD on the hardest difficulty that's for sure, if it weren't for the massive achievements you got for it, but i did and it was fun (and painful)!

I wouldn't have tried for 30 damn minutes to get that pacifist achievement in Geometry Wars, but I did and it was fun!

In truth, it's a great way to extend the replay value of a game, if done properly. During the drought periods of games, it can be great to dust off an old game and try for some of those achievements, when they're done properly (See: halo wars, the orange box, geometry wars).
daysocks's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2009 19:22
daysocks
Surely the million gamerscore guy is pulling up the average a bit.
andycadaver's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/06/2009 22:09
andycadaver
Microsoft would never implement such a thing as turning Achievement points into MS Points. That would be giving away free money. It would never work retroactively, because they wouldn't allow it. They could, however unlikely, start turning those points into something in the future, but that just wouldn't make sense. Wishful thinking.

Though, I for one am at a loss of why I collect Achievement points. Apparently, you feel accomplished, because I sometimes do for such. For example, just recently I've been working on my Fallout 3 Achievements. I only have two more to go, and I even have the collections of Achievements for the two DLC's out. That's like... 58 Achievements or something, with several of them being hard to gather. What is wrong with me?!
Tornadojo's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2009 12:15
Tornadojo
Achievements for me aren't for bragging rights, they are great for that slight feeling of accomplishment as you progress through a game and definitely have given games I might have normally just put on the shelf to collect dust some serious re-playability.
snakebite89's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/15/2010 06:05
snakebite89
So does this mean that since i 1588 achievements i am higher than the average???

Please note i do not want to start an argument all i am saying is higher than the average i never said that i was better as there are lots gamers out there with a lower GS than i and they are way better at games than i am. the only reason my GS is where it is, is because i like challenging myself each year by seting myself targets (sad i know)

other than that i wish it all was able to be used for something T_T
hilllidawpau98's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2011 17:36
hilllidawpau98
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